TUBA just doing the Bench..... - Page 2

Soberphobia · 02-24-2008, 08:20 PM

Chalk another one up for CBNY.

David Harris · 02-24-2008, 08:36 PM

Need + Bench Press = Reach

Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?

HessStation · 02-24-2008, 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=David Harris;2385988]Need + Bench Press = Reach

Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?[/QUOTE]

Not sure
But he's the best NT prospect this draft.

chirorob · 02-24-2008, 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Kerry Rhodes;2385917]Unless Miami trades with Dallas we should be fine.

Dallas runs a 1 gap, and has their dlineman signed.
SF needs a WR, or offense bad. Nolans going to lose his job next year, and Tuba is a 2 year investment IMO.
Miami--If they dont take a QB at one, We should be safe. That spot could be T, or QB.[/QUOTE]

Dallas does not have a true NT. They talk about it on talk radio out here. Jason Ferguson was the man, but he's done. I would be worried about the Boys taking him late in the first.

KR · 02-24-2008, 08:46 PM

[QUOTE=chirorob;2386002]Dallas does not have a true NT. They talk about it on talk radio out here. Jason Ferguson was the man, but he's done. I would be worried about the Boys taking him late in the first.[/QUOTE]

Dallas doesnt run a true 3-4.

I would be shocked if they even considered him in round 1.

Parcells is the biggest threat here in Miami, but I really think hell use the pick on a QB, or Tackle.

Buzzsaw · 02-24-2008, 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=WoodyPaige;2385858]Ahtyba Rubin.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask the question but thanks for the answer. I've been scratching my head the last few days wondering who "Tuba" is.

Must be easier for people type than "Rubin" ;)

HessStation · 02-24-2008, 08:48 PM

[QUOTE=Kerry Rhodes;2386006]Dallas doesnt run a true 3-4.

I would be shocked if they even considered him in round 1.[/QUOTE]

Me too.

I think there's a very good chance he's there in the second and we get him. A perfect fit/pick

lageman4ever · 02-24-2008, 08:48 PM

San Diego is the team I most fear taking Rubin.

If he's gone, does anyone think Red Bryant can be a NT ?

KR · 02-24-2008, 08:48 PM

[QUOTE=David Harris;2385988]Need + Bench Press = Reach

Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?[/QUOTE]

I would like to guess that hell be a top 20 player on OUR board. These guys are more rare then top QB's in the draft.

persiussa · 02-24-2008, 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=David Harris;2385988]Need + Bench Press = Reach

Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?[/QUOTE]

When you're a 3-4 team the other teams rankings have no bearing on our own. It could easily be argued that Rubin would be a more valuable pick for the Jets than Dorsey who will probably be selected in the top 5. Dorsey doesn't fit in the 3-4 though so the rankings don't matter.

genom · 02-24-2008, 08:53 PM

I worry about San Diego. They really don't have any glaring needs, and Jammal is nearly done. I am sitting here salivating at the possiblity of Vernon Gholston or Derick Harvey paired up with Ahtyba Rubin. Our defense would be top 10 next year with that guaranteed.

49ersJetsfan · 02-24-2008, 08:56 PM

[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2385909]1-27 San Diego,
1-28 Dallas - an extra pick to burn
[B]1-29 SF - switching to the 3-4 defense[/B]
2-1 Miami

any could take him[/QUOTE]

SF has been playing the 3-4 for the past 3 years (flexing most of the time due to lots of injuries annually).

I COULD see the 49ers go for Rubin at 29 if they can't re-sign Sopoaga. Aubrayo Franklin is not the answer at NT. 2nd round would be more likely though.

lageman4ever · 02-24-2008, 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=genom;2386026]I worry about San Diego. They really don't have any glaring needs, and Jammal is nearly done. [B]I am sitting here salivating at the possiblity of Vernon Gholston or Derick Harvey paired up with Ahtyba Rubin. [/B]Our defense would be top 10 next year with that guaranteed.[/QUOTE]

With the way the draft is shaking out, that might be our best two value picks. We have crucial needs at OLB and NT. If we could solve both this draft our 3-4 might actually start to work.

Also the OL look pretty deep this year. I'd guess we can get some decent guys in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Especially if we can get 1 FA offensive lineman (which is a pretty reasonable expectation).

dbatesman · 02-24-2008, 09:07 PM

[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2386038]With the way the draft is shaking out, that might be our best two value picks. We have crucial needs at OLB and NT. If we could solve both this draft our 3-4 might actually start to work.

Also the OL look pretty deep this year. I'd guess we can get some decent guys in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Especially if we can get 1 FA offensive lineman (which is a pretty reasonable expectation).[/QUOTE]

+1

If we get Harvey, Rubin, and a solid RT in the first 3 rounds, we will have filled all of our major needs except WR and LG, which will hopefully be filled through FA. Talk about a successful draft.

David Harris · 02-24-2008, 09:11 PM

[QUOTE=persiussa;2386021]When you're a 3-4 team the other teams rankings have no bearing on our own. It could easily be argued that Rubin would be a more valuable pick for the Jets than Dorsey who will probably be selected in the top 5. Dorsey doesn't fit in the 3-4 though so the rankings don't matter.[/QUOTE]

Great, so despite having 11 holes we can reach for a guy that "fits our system."

The Jets are the most talent-deplete team in the NFL this side of Miami. We need top players not Kenyon Colemans.

bitonti · 02-24-2008, 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2385928]I'll bet Miami takes a QB at 2-1, either Flacco or Henne. Probably Flacco since Parcells loves the huge, big armed guys.[/QUOTE]

Flacco at 22, Tuba at 2.1 sounds right for a tuna draft day's work,

remember if he's value at 2.6 he's also a fit for SD at 1.27 and PIT,CLE or any 3-4 team.

very good player, i hope he's there, but don't expect it.

bitonti · 02-24-2008, 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=Black Death;2385966]Chalk another one up for CBNY.[/QUOTE]

no doubt. cbny is a real draft expert and nailed this one back in november

Dirtstar · 02-24-2008, 09:26 PM

i think you guys may be overvaluing Rubin quite a bit -- i don't see anyway he makes his way into the first round. even in the rare event that he does, we should still be able to grab Red Bryant at 2.6, who i think is a better overall prospect and already has experience as a 3-4 NT.

Soberphobia · 02-24-2008, 09:26 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2386077]no doubt. cbny is a real draft expert and nailed this one back in november[/QUOTE]

You should pay him a retainer at your other place for inside info - that is if you can get your head around giving a dyed-in-the-wool Republican money. :D

shodan9999 · 02-24-2008, 09:29 PM

[QUOTE=HessStation;2385907]He's my #1 first choice in the 2nd right now.[/QUOTE]

Hess I am starting to have the same excitement about this draft as I had for 2006 ...

02-24-2008, 08:20 PM	#21
Soberphobia All League Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,449	Chalk another one up for CBNY.

02-24-2008, 08:36 PM	#22
David Harris All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Murray Hill Posts: 7,101	Need + Bench Press = Reach Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?

02-24-2008, 08:38 PM	#23
HessStation All Pro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,902	[QUOTE=David Harris;2385988]Need + Bench Press = Reach Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?[/QUOTE] Not sure But he's the best NT prospect this draft.

02-24-2008, 08:42 PM	#24
chirorob Draft the best available player. All Pro Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In transit Posts: 5,826	[QUOTE=Kerry Rhodes;2385917]Unless Miami trades with Dallas we should be fine. Dallas runs a 1 gap, and has their dlineman signed. SF needs a WR, or offense bad. Nolans going to lose his job next year, and Tuba is a 2 year investment IMO. Miami--If they dont take a QB at one, We should be safe. That spot could be T, or QB.[/QUOTE] Dallas does not have a true NT. They talk about it on talk radio out here. Jason Ferguson was the man, but he's done. I would be worried about the Boys taking him late in the first.

02-24-2008, 08:46 PM	#25
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=chirorob;2386002]Dallas does not have a true NT. They talk about it on talk radio out here. Jason Ferguson was the man, but he's done. I would be worried about the Boys taking him late in the first.[/QUOTE] Dallas doesnt run a true 3-4. I would be shocked if they even considered him in round 1. Parcells is the biggest threat here in Miami, but I really think hell use the pick on a QB, or Tackle.

02-24-2008, 08:47 PM	#26
Buzzsaw Jets Insider VIP Board Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26,342	[QUOTE=WoodyPaige;2385858]Ahtyba Rubin.[/QUOTE] I didn't ask the question but thanks for the answer. I've been scratching my head the last few days wondering who "Tuba" is. Must be easier for people type than "Rubin" ;)

02-24-2008, 08:48 PM	#27
HessStation All Pro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,902	[QUOTE=Kerry Rhodes;2386006]Dallas doesnt run a true 3-4. I would be shocked if they even considered him in round 1.[/QUOTE] Me too. I think there's a very good chance he's there in the second and we get him. A perfect fit/pick

02-24-2008, 08:48 PM	#28
lageman4ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,153	San Diego is the team I most fear taking Rubin. If he's gone, does anyone think Red Bryant can be a NT ?

02-24-2008, 08:50 PM	#30
persiussa All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,505	[QUOTE=David Harris;2385988]Need + Bench Press = Reach Is this guy the 36th best player in the country?[/QUOTE] When you're a 3-4 team the other teams rankings have no bearing on our own. It could easily be argued that Rubin would be a more valuable pick for the Jets than Dorsey who will probably be selected in the top 5. Dorsey doesn't fit in the 3-4 though so the rankings don't matter.

02-24-2008, 08:53 PM	#31
genom All Pro Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 1,616	I worry about San Diego. They really don't have any glaring needs, and Jammal is nearly done. I am sitting here salivating at the possiblity of Vernon Gholston or Derick Harvey paired up with Ahtyba Rubin. Our defense would be top 10 next year with that guaranteed.

02-24-2008, 08:56 PM	#32
49ersJetsfan All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 5,836	[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2385909]1-27 San Diego, 1-28 Dallas - an extra pick to burn [B]1-29 SF - switching to the 3-4 defense[/B] 2-1 Miami any could take him[/QUOTE] SF has been playing the 3-4 for the past 3 years (flexing most of the time due to lots of injuries annually). I COULD see the 49ers go for Rubin at 29 if they can't re-sign Sopoaga. Aubrayo Franklin is not the answer at NT. 2nd round would be more likely though.

02-24-2008, 08:57 PM	#33
lageman4ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,153	[QUOTE=genom;2386026]I worry about San Diego. They really don't have any glaring needs, and Jammal is nearly done. [B]I am sitting here salivating at the possiblity of Vernon Gholston or Derick Harvey paired up with Ahtyba Rubin. [/B]Our defense would be top 10 next year with that guaranteed.[/QUOTE] With the way the draft is shaking out, that might be our best two value picks. We have crucial needs at OLB and NT. If we could solve both this draft our 3-4 might actually start to work. Also the OL look pretty deep this year. I'd guess we can get some decent guys in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Especially if we can get 1 FA offensive lineman (which is a pretty reasonable expectation).

02-24-2008, 09:07 PM	#34
dbatesman Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Champaign, IL by way of Freehold, NJ Posts: 3,808	[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2386038]With the way the draft is shaking out, that might be our best two value picks. We have crucial needs at OLB and NT. If we could solve both this draft our 3-4 might actually start to work. Also the OL look pretty deep this year. I'd guess we can get some decent guys in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Especially if we can get 1 FA offensive lineman (which is a pretty reasonable expectation).[/QUOTE] +1 If we get Harvey, Rubin, and a solid RT in the first 3 rounds, we will have filled all of our major needs except WR and LG, which will hopefully be filled through FA. Talk about a successful draft.

02-24-2008, 09:11 PM	#35
David Harris All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Murray Hill Posts: 7,101	[QUOTE=persiussa;2386021]When you're a 3-4 team the other teams rankings have no bearing on our own. It could easily be argued that Rubin would be a more valuable pick for the Jets than Dorsey who will probably be selected in the top 5. Dorsey doesn't fit in the 3-4 though so the rankings don't matter.[/QUOTE] Great, so despite having 11 holes we can reach for a guy that "fits our system." The Jets are the most talent-deplete team in the NFL this side of Miami. We need top players not Kenyon Colemans.

02-24-2008, 09:17 PM	#36
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2385928]I'll bet Miami takes a QB at 2-1, either Flacco or Henne. Probably Flacco since Parcells loves the huge, big armed guys.[/QUOTE] Flacco at 22, Tuba at 2.1 sounds right for a tuna draft day's work, remember if he's value at 2.6 he's also a fit for SD at 1.27 and PIT,CLE or any 3-4 team. very good player, i hope he's there, but don't expect it.

02-24-2008, 09:18 PM	#37
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Black Death;2385966]Chalk another one up for CBNY.[/QUOTE] no doubt. cbny is a real draft expert and nailed this one back in november

02-24-2008, 09:26 PM	#38
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,882	i think you guys may be overvaluing Rubin quite a bit -- i don't see anyway he makes his way into the first round. even in the rare event that he does, we should still be able to grab Red Bryant at 2.6, who i think is a better overall prospect and already has experience as a 3-4 NT.

02-24-2008, 09:29 PM	#40
shodan9999 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,632	[QUOTE=HessStation;2385907]He's my #1 first choice in the 2nd right now.[/QUOTE] Hess I am starting to have the same excitement about this draft as I had for 2006 ...