Gholsten scares the hell out of me

[jet22dan]

Does anyones else smell draft bust all over this guy? He's a workout warrior. He flashes brilliance, but disappears in games way too often. He's first round talent, but in my opinion, he's LATE first round talent. He's a poor man's John Abraham and we've been down that road before. Am I wrong? Does anyone else see this? I have to admit most of this is just my gut.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

No I agree with you, and I think there are many on this board who agree with us. But if all the other players are gone who do you take? If you can't trade down Gholston's really the only choice that makes sense.

[AJGunns]

Gholsten would be an awful pick, but Gholston would be a safe bet.

[LI JET FAN]

This guy is D Rob's twin. Same M.O. flew up the board due to a big Combine number. I believe you judge a player by what he did during his college career not what he did with a 2 day workout.:steamin:

[MainManMickens24]

14 sacks for Ohio State is not exactly a lack of production.

[mrcoops]

He's a rare talent, with amazing natural gifts as a pass-rusher. He does need to play more consistently and learn to go all-out all the time. Could be the next LT, or could be the next Mike Mamula. Coaching will be absolutely key with him. The positive for the Jets is that they have an ideal coach to work with Gholston if they pick him. That coach is Bryan Cox - the consumate over-achiever, who turned desire and want to into a great NFL career despite only having about 50% of Gholston's raw talent. If Cox could instill that same attitude in Gholston, he could be a great pick for the Jets.

[Bleedin' Green]

I'm not saying Gholston doesn't have his questions, but this "workout warrior" stuff is a stretch. We're not talking about a guy who had no productivity in college and is rising JUST based off of numbers. This is a guy that had big sack totals at a top program and was considered a top pick well before the combine or his pro day. I don't know if he's going to turn out being worth the #6 pick, but that would likely have more to do with inconsistency issues he's shown rather then being an issue who of a guy who just had numbers, but was never productive. After all, this is the same guy who was the only player last season to get a sack against the #1 overall pick in this years draft. Considering said #1 player went to a division rival, that wouldn't exactly be the worst guy to have in response. If anything, this front office has shown they are NOT a group to get tied up in workout numbers, quite the contrary actually. If the Jets decide he's their guy, I am more than comfortable with the feeling that these guys didn't get caught up in the hype.

[jet22dan]

[QUOTE=mrcoops;2504621]He's a rare talent, with amazing natural gifts as a pass-rusher. He does need to play more consistently and learn to go all-out all the time. Could be the next LT, or could be the next Mike Mamula. Coaching will be absolutely key with him. The positive for the Jets is that they have an ideal coach to work with Gholston if they pick him. That coach is Bryan Cox - the consumate over-achiever, who turned desire and want to into a great NFL career despite only having about 50% of Gholston's raw talent. If Cox could instill that same attitude in Gholston, he could be a great pick for the Jets.[/QUOTE]

Good points, still not convinced. Just a bad feeling about this guy. But then again, I really liked the D-Rob pick, so it shows what I know.

[Bleedin' Green]

[QUOTE=jet22dan;2504626]Good points, still not convinced. Just a bad feeling about this guy. But then again, I really liked the D-Rob pick, so it shows what I know.[/QUOTE]

You liked DRob and you're calling Gholston a workout warrior? :P

[mrcoops]

[QUOTE=Bleedin' Green;2504624]I'm not saying Gholston doesn't have his questions, but this "workout warrior" stuff is a stretch. We're not talking about a guy who had no productivity in college and is rising JUST based off of numbers. This is a guy that had big sack totals at a top program and was considered a top pick well before the combine or his pro day. I don't know if he's going to turn out being worth the #6 pick, but that would likely have more to do with inconsistency issues he's shown rather then being an issue who of a guy who just had numbers, but was never productive. After all, this is the same guy who was the only player last season to get a sack against the #1 overall pick in this years draft. Considering said #1 player went to a division rival, that wouldn't exactly be the worst guy to have in response. If anything, this front office has shown they are NOT a group to get tied up in workout numbers, quite the contrary actually. If the Jets decide he's their guy, I am more than comfortable with the feeling that these guys didn't get caught up in the hype.[/QUOTE]

Well said. 14 sacks certainly isn't a lack of on-field production. Personally, I liked him a whole lot even before his offseason workouts. His workout numbers just re-affirmed to me what a talent he is. He DOES need to work on his consistency, but that can be coached. I really think, if he goes to the right team, he can become an NFL great.

[WeskerLogan]

[QUOTE=jet22dan;2504553]Does anyones else smell draft bust all over this guy? He's a workout warrior. He flashes brilliance, but disappears in games way too often. He's first round talent, but in my opinion, he's LATE first round talent. [B]He's a poor man's John Abraham [/B]and we've been down that road before. Am I wrong? Does anyone else see this? I have to admit most of this is just my gut.[/QUOTE]

That's spot on right there...he doesn't have Abraham's wheels...then again...who does?? ahhh what a shame....:(

[adb280z]

[QUOTE=jet22dan;2504553]Does anyones else smell draft bust all over this guy? He's a workout warrior. He flashes brilliance, but disappears in games way too often. He's first round talent, but in my opinion, he's LATE first round talent. He's a poor man's John Abraham and we've been down that road before. Am I wrong? Does anyone else see this? I have to admit most of this is just my gut.[/QUOTE]

How is he a poor man's Abraham?

[Bleedin' Green]

Let me just say, if Gholston turns out to be John Abraham without the injury and attitude issues then sign me up for him at #6 right now.

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=halfsharkalligatorhalfman;2504600]No I agree with you, and I think there are many on this board who agree with us. But if all the other players are gone who do you take? If you can't trade down Gholston's really the only choice that makes sense.[/QUOTE]

interesting thought

[Mike D]

They were talking about him earlier as the draft ended on a Espn Roundtable of writers. Said he started playing football at the age of 16, if this guy settles down realizes his gifts and if coached properly he should be a hell of a pass rusher for us. I am very excited to see what this new look D can do, let's hope they get agressive and blitz the hell out of teams all day, opening up against Miami might be great for us.

[jetstream23]

He was the BPA at #6. I wish he wasn't. I wish someone else slid like C. Long or DMC, but they didn't. If you can't get a reasonable tradedown offer then you take the BPA, which the Jets did.

The more bust talk I hear the more I like this guy's chances. When we pump other guys right after the draft that's when they turn out to be busts. DRob was the second coming of Warren Sapp :rolleyes: until he turned out to be a JAG.

Let's keep thinking Gholston is a bust and then watch him turn into Shawn Merriman over the next 2 years (minus the artificial ingredients of course). :D

[James Hasty]

Gholsten is a boom but pick so taking that type of player at 6 scares me as well.

It would be hard to take someone else at 6 and pass on Gholsten there so he was probably BAP. Trading down was the move though. If the Saints were willing to move up to seven they would have offered us the same deal to move up to six.

This was a trade happy draft the opportunity was there. With that being said, Gholsten was probably the best value we got in this draft.

[dbatesman]

[QUOTE=Bleedin' Green;2504624]If anything, this front office has shown they are NOT a group to get tied up in workout numbers, quite the contrary actually. If the Jets decide he's their guy, I am more than comfortable with the feeling that these guys didn't get caught up in the hype.[/QUOTE]

+1

There are certainly valid criticisms to be made of the draft picks made by this FO, but we can be sure that they do their homework and won't pick someone because of a flashy 40 time or vertical.

[Capablanca]

well gholston excites the hell out of me. where you see laziness i see potential to be better

[BlueDevilJet29]

Gholston is one of those players I was torn on coming into the draft. Reading scouting reports it goes from those who love him to others who called him a dog.

Yes, he had only 37 tackles in the 2007 season. The only deceiving thing about that stat is that he also played with Laurinaitis, who racks up a ton of tackles. With the Jets he's going to be playing with David Harris, who is a tackling monster. We don't need Gholston to rack up tackles. We need him to do what he did in his senior year at OSU.

15.5 of those tackles were for a loss. He had 14 sacks in 13 games. Did the Jets even have 13 sacks all of last season?

If Gholston can translate those pass rushing skills to the NFL, then he'll be worth that 6th pick. It's tough because as Jets fans we've been burned by workout warriors like D-Rob. And I was worried about Gholston for this same reason. He did rise up the board a bit due to his workouts. But I've watched him play and he makes a difference on the field, rushing the passer. That is his niche and he filled it very well in college. If he can do that with the Jets, it will fill a much needed void, that we haven't really fixed since trading John Abraham.