Seriously does anyone like either candidate? - Page 2

Freeridelectric · 10-09-2008, 01:42 AM

The South Park writers say it is always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. But you must vote or Puff Daddy is going to cap your ass.

I am leaning towards Obama. I have never voted Dem. I think he has a better record on alternative energy. If the campaign redurect is true.

I like it when the reporters try to find out if the statements they make during their debates and speeches are true.

Who to vote for the turd or the douche? Which is witch?:(

Piper · 10-09-2008, 08:30 AM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2795371]after he sold the UN a fake bill of goods on WMD his credibility is shot and his taste for politics is gone

wonder who we can thank for that[/QUOTE]

Ah the liberal mantra

"There is always someone else to blame"

No wonder Obama has so many people snookered...

parafly · 10-09-2008, 08:41 AM

I like Obama, and I think he has the potential to be a very good President. We disagree on some issues, but his intelligence and grasp of the issues won me over.

chesapeakejet · 10-09-2008, 09:42 AM

They both suck.

I may vote Barr.

JETS2417 · 10-09-2008, 09:49 AM

[QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;2795680]I may be in the minority, but I actually like both candidates. If you're waiting for a guy so bedazzling you believe he can snap his fingers and all of our problems will go away, then you're waiting for the second coming.[/QUOTE]

So your saying that theres still a shot we can get Jesus as president?:confused:

Just messin but seriously neither candidate has shown me anything that makes them stand out. In the debate they danced around questions to find away to attack each other rather than giving a good answer. I don't know I'm just really not impressed with either of them. I'm probably gunna vote for Barrack in the end though even though I lean R.

Timmy® · 10-09-2008, 10:01 AM

[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me.

Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/QUOTE]

+1

None of the republicans do much for me. Other than Obama, none of the other democrats do much for me.

Postseason · 10-09-2008, 10:24 AM

[QUOTE=JETS2417;2795912]So your saying that theres still a shot we can get Jesus as president?:confused:

Just messin but seriously neither candidate has shown me anything that makes them stand out. In the debate they danced around questions to find away to attack each other rather than giving a good answer. I don't know I'm just really not impressed with either of them. I'm probably gunna vote for Barrack in the end though even though I lean R.[/QUOTE]

I find Jesus to be too weak on national defense to get my vote.

JoeyStylez · 10-09-2008, 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=ADemas;2795473]How is it that everyone chooses to limit their voting to only two parties? DO you guys know you have choices?[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%, and it's sad that no one has even commented on it yet. So many voters are brainwashed to think that there's only two choices, but there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from voting for a third (or fourth or fifth) party. I live in Florida, and I guarantee when I go to the polls next month, I'll have AT LEAST five different choices for president. Now I know I'm gonna vote for Obama, but in 2000 I actually voted Libertarian. I was a huge Clinton fan and I liked Gore, but his choice of Lieberman turned me away, and there was no way I was gonna vote for Bush the Dumber (I already knew back then the guy was a FUBAR waiting to happen, don't know how other people couldn't see that).

There are always more than two choices, but voters are conditioned to think that kind of vote is a waste, that anyone other than a Dem or Repub could be viable. Well, let's see...if you take half of Obama's votes and half of McCain's votes and give them to Bob Barr or Ron Paul as write-ins, those guys become viable candidates...and probably president. So if you truly feel that neither major candidate is right for you, speak with your vote. There ARE options, you just gotta free your mind enough to make it happen.

SDJETS · 10-09-2008, 10:45 AM

[QUOTE=asuusa;2795690]Can I assume you're far left wing? B/c that's what you'll get with Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid running the whole show...

Obama votes party-line 96% of the time
Biden=96.7%
Reid=94.6%
Pelosi=98.3%

Talk about a list of party hacks!! :rofl:

The top 32 Senators in party-line voting are all 'rats except one whose Independent but votes 'rat

McCain voted party-line 88.3, so who's proven to cross party lines to get something done?[/QUOTE]

I don't remember actually mentioning anything about crossing party lines. In fact, the (here, I'll use a funny little insult too) 'Pubes have so screwed everything up that I'd prefer them be left out of things all together.

I'm not "far left wing," and the very idea that Obama is "far left wing" is hilarious. If by "far left wing" you mean he's left of the Clintons, then yes. Of course, you are probably the type to call Gingrich a centrist. Just because someone is left of your views and left of the mainstream doesn't make him "the most liberal senator in history" or any of that garbage. :zzz::zzz:

agentmorris · 10-09-2008, 11:02 AM

Obama is leading in the polls because millions of Americans have bought into the idea that Government solves all their problems as long as they're all too willing to submit to them.

McCain is lackluster to most voters these days because his campaign themes have become an awful form of Big Government-lite.

This country is currently going straight to hell while we watch these guys campaign over who has the better hand basket.

Depressing stuff and I wish I had some answers.

Tyler Durden · 10-09-2008, 01:16 PM

[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me.

Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/QUOTE]

Could not of said it better myself.

jetstream23 · 10-09-2008, 02:01 PM

[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me. [/QUOTE]

Definitely viable and electable but his candidacy has been more of a phenomenon, a dramatic ascension to popularity during a time of disgust with our current political situation and economy, than anything else. Strip away the flash, the polish and the fact that he's being compared to John McCain and you don't have much substance IMO. Obama is basically the Kimbo Slice of current politics. He gets people very excited, there's lots of buzz, but could be a major letdown when its actually time for action.

[QUOTE]
[B]Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/B][/QUOTE]

Good post and you're entitled to your opinion. But you could easily say this about anyone.

You can love Karl Rove, hate him, or ignore him, but its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force. Being a political force simply means that....you're a political force. Doesn't mean you have the right positions, policies, etc.

Again, this is a good post simply from the standpoint that a lot of people, like yourself, are getting energized by the political process. And, even if it's for a candidate that, IMO is mostly marketing and no product, I like seeing people engaged. Apathy could be far worse.

freestater · 10-09-2008, 02:09 PM

I like my candidate.

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Bob_Barr-2008.jpg/479px-Bob_Barr-2008.jpg[/IMG]

jetstream23 · 10-09-2008, 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=freestater;2796319]I like my candidate.

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Bob_Barr-2008.jpg/479px-Bob_Barr-2008.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I like your candidate too. :yes:

I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr?

I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.

agentmorris · 10-09-2008, 03:35 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes:

I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr?

I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE]

That has been the problem with our elections for some time. The U.S. desperately needs a strong third party to challenge for once. This two-party system is faltering just like our economy.

JCnflies · 10-09-2008, 06:10 PM

[QUOTE=JoeyStylez;2795983]I agree 100%, and it's sad that no one has even commented on it yet. So many voters are brainwashed to think that there's only two choices, but there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from voting for a third (or fourth or fifth) party. I live in Florida, and I guarantee when I go to the polls next month, I'll have AT LEAST five different choices for president. Now I know I'm gonna vote for Obama, but in 2000 I actually voted Libertarian. I was a huge Clinton fan and I liked Gore, but his choice of Lieberman turned me away, and there was no way I was gonna vote for Bush the Dumber (I already knew back then the guy was a FUBAR waiting to happen, don't know how other people couldn't see that).

There are always more than two choices, but voters are conditioned to think that kind of vote is a waste, that anyone other than a Dem or Repub could be viable. Well, let's see...if you take half of Obama's votes and half of McCain's votes and give them to Bob Barr or Ron Paul as write-ins, those guys become viable candidates...and probably president. So if you truly feel that neither major candidate is right for you, speak with your vote. There ARE options, you just gotta free your mind enough to make it happen.[/QUOTE]

Not really. I voted for Perot and all it did was hand the election to Clinton. In Fla, some can say they voted for Nader and it gave the election to Bush.

For a 3rd Party / Indy to be serious, the finance laws would have to change. But if we did that, the influence of lobbyists and special interests would disappear so they won't let it happen.

JetsFan2012 · 10-09-2008, 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes:

I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr?

I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE]

Well, the way I look at it is that I'm standing up for the principles I believe in and won't sacrifice basic fundamentals just because there's no hope he can win. I know, I'm young and naive -- give me a break.

Also, I'm a registered Republican, and if enough Republicans like me choose Barr over McCain, then some election expert/analyst somewhere will take notice and hopefully make an issue out of it. In that way it's somewhat of a protest against the party that failed supporters like me.

Not to mention that I don't have to worry about taking votes away from McCain, and enabling a swift Obama victory. NJ is all but locked up, 51-40 as of today. As for you, Arizona is a lock for McCain; today's polls are at 52-38. So, pretty much the same thing. You don't have to vote McCain to keep Obama out of the White House, all of the retirees in Scottsdale will do it for you.

freestater · 10-10-2008, 12:28 AM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes:

I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr?

I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE]
Vote for Barr if you see value in the Libertarian ideal that the best government is the government that governs least.

BushyTheBeaver · 10-10-2008, 01:02 AM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796299]You can love Karl Rove, hate him, or ignore him, but its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force. Being a political force simply means that....you're a political force. Doesn't mean you have the right positions, policies, etc.[/QUOTE]

Herman Goering was a political force. Yet I find nothing admirable about the man.

jetstream23 · 10-10-2008, 02:04 AM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2796970]Well, the way I look at it is that I'm standing up for the principles I believe in and won't sacrifice basic fundamentals just because there's no hope he can win. I know, I'm young and naive -- give me a break.

Also, I'm a registered Republican, and if enough Republicans like me choose Barr over McCain, then some election expert/analyst somewhere will take notice and hopefully make an issue out of it. In that way it's somewhat of a protest against the party that failed supporters like me.

Not to mention that I don't have to worry about taking votes away from McCain, and enabling a swift Obama victory. NJ is all but locked up, 51-40 as of today. As for you, Arizona is a lock for McCain; today's polls are at 52-38. So, pretty much the same thing. You don't have to vote McCain to keep Obama out of the White House, all of the retirees in Scottsdale will do it for you.[/QUOTE]

Good points. Thanks. I'm undecided but Barr is the most preferable candidate to me.

10-09-2008, 07:57 PM	#37
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes: I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr? I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE] Well, the way I look at it is that I'm standing up for the principles I believe in and won't sacrifice basic fundamentals just because there's no hope he can win. I know, I'm young and naive -- give me a break. Also, I'm a registered Republican, and if enough Republicans like me choose Barr over McCain, then some election expert/analyst somewhere will take notice and hopefully make an issue out of it. In that way it's somewhat of a protest against the party that failed supporters like me. Not to mention that I don't have to worry about taking votes away from McCain, and enabling a swift Obama victory. NJ is all but locked up, 51-40 as of today. As for you, Arizona is a lock for McCain; today's polls are at 52-38. So, pretty much the same thing. You don't have to vote McCain to keep Obama out of the White House, all of the retirees in Scottsdale will do it for you. Last edited by JetsFan2012; 10-09-2008 at 08:01 PM.

10-09-2008, 01:42 AM	#21
Freeridelectric Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 104	The South Park writers say it is always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. But you must vote or Puff Daddy is going to cap your ass. I am leaning towards Obama. I have never voted Dem. I think he has a better record on alternative energy. If the campaign redurect is true. I like it when the reporters try to find out if the statements they make during their debates and speeches are true. Who to vote for the turd or the douche? Which is witch?:(

10-09-2008, 08:30 AM	#22
Piper Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: L.I. NY (where the Jets used to be from) Posts: 13,197	[QUOTE=bitonti;2795371]after he sold the UN a fake bill of goods on WMD his credibility is shot and his taste for politics is gone wonder who we can thank for that[/QUOTE] Ah the liberal mantra "There is always someone else to blame" No wonder Obama has so many people snookered...

10-09-2008, 08:41 AM	#23
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,280	I like Obama, and I think he has the potential to be a very good President. We disagree on some issues, but his intelligence and grasp of the issues won me over.

10-09-2008, 09:42 AM	#24
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,502	They both suck. I may vote Barr.

10-09-2008, 09:49 AM	#25
JETS2417 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,567	[QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;2795680]I may be in the minority, but I actually like both candidates. If you're waiting for a guy so bedazzling you believe he can snap his fingers and all of our problems will go away, then you're waiting for the second coming.[/QUOTE] So your saying that theres still a shot we can get Jesus as president?:confused: Just messin but seriously neither candidate has shown me anything that makes them stand out. In the debate they danced around questions to find away to attack each other rather than giving a good answer. I don't know I'm just really not impressed with either of them. I'm probably gunna vote for Barrack in the end though even though I lean R.

10-09-2008, 10:01 AM	#26
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,468	[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me. Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/QUOTE] +1 None of the republicans do much for me. Other than Obama, none of the other democrats do much for me.

10-09-2008, 10:24 AM	#27
Postseason Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,085	[QUOTE=JETS2417;2795912]So your saying that theres still a shot we can get Jesus as president?:confused: Just messin but seriously neither candidate has shown me anything that makes them stand out. In the debate they danced around questions to find away to attack each other rather than giving a good answer. I don't know I'm just really not impressed with either of them. I'm probably gunna vote for Barrack in the end though even though I lean R.[/QUOTE] I find Jesus to be too weak on national defense to get my vote.

10-09-2008, 10:43 AM	#28
JoeyStylez wishes the media and the SOJFs would fall off a cliff. Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 637	[QUOTE=ADemas;2795473]How is it that everyone chooses to limit their voting to only two parties? DO you guys know you have choices?[/QUOTE] I agree 100%, and it's sad that no one has even commented on it yet. So many voters are brainwashed to think that there's only two choices, but there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from voting for a third (or fourth or fifth) party. I live in Florida, and I guarantee when I go to the polls next month, I'll have AT LEAST five different choices for president. Now I know I'm gonna vote for Obama, but in 2000 I actually voted Libertarian. I was a huge Clinton fan and I liked Gore, but his choice of Lieberman turned me away, and there was no way I was gonna vote for Bush the Dumber (I already knew back then the guy was a FUBAR waiting to happen, don't know how other people couldn't see that). There are always more than two choices, but voters are conditioned to think that kind of vote is a waste, that anyone other than a Dem or Repub could be viable. Well, let's see...if you take half of Obama's votes and half of McCain's votes and give them to Bob Barr or Ron Paul as write-ins, those guys become viable candidates...and probably president. So if you truly feel that neither major candidate is right for you, speak with your vote. There ARE options, you just gotta free your mind enough to make it happen.

10-09-2008, 10:45 AM	#29
SDJETS Should be renamed SeaJets. Living large in WA now... Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,940	[QUOTE=asuusa;2795690]Can I assume you're far left wing? B/c that's what you'll get with Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid running the whole show... Obama votes party-line 96% of the time Biden=96.7% Reid=94.6% Pelosi=98.3% Talk about a list of party hacks!! :rofl: The top 32 Senators in party-line voting are all 'rats except one whose Independent but votes 'rat McCain voted party-line 88.3, so who's proven to cross party lines to get something done?[/QUOTE] I don't remember actually mentioning anything about crossing party lines. In fact, the (here, I'll use a funny little insult too) 'Pubes have so screwed everything up that I'd prefer them be left out of things all together. I'm not "far left wing," and the very idea that Obama is "far left wing" is hilarious. If by "far left wing" you mean he's left of the Clintons, then yes. Of course, you are probably the type to call Gingrich a centrist. Just because someone is left of your views and left of the mainstream doesn't make him "the most liberal senator in history" or any of that garbage. :zzz::zzz:

10-09-2008, 11:02 AM	#30
agentmorris All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: the sunshine state Posts: 1,819	Obama is leading in the polls because millions of Americans have bought into the idea that Government solves all their problems as long as they're all too willing to submit to them. McCain is lackluster to most voters these days because his campaign themes have become an awful form of Big Government-lite. This country is currently going straight to hell while we watch these guys campaign over who has the better hand basket. Depressing stuff and I wish I had some answers.

10-09-2008, 01:16 PM	#31
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me. Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/QUOTE] Could not of said it better myself.

10-09-2008, 02:01 PM	#32
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,545	[QUOTE=SDJETS;2795439]I haven't been nearly as enthusiastic about a candidate as I am about Obama. For the first time in a long time, the Democrats not only put up a viable, electable candidate, but one who I respect and whose views match mine very well. Obviously we disagree on some issues, but that is going to happen with any candidate who, well, isn't me. [/QUOTE] Definitely viable and electable but his candidacy has been more of a phenomenon, a dramatic ascension to popularity during a time of disgust with our current political situation and economy, than anything else. Strip away the flash, the polish and the fact that he's being compared to John McCain and you don't have much substance IMO. Obama is basically the Kimbo Slice of current politics. He gets people very excited, there's lots of buzz, but could be a major letdown when its actually time for action. [QUOTE] [B]Obama will make a very very fine president, and love him, hate him, or ignore him, its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force...[/B][/QUOTE] Good post and you're entitled to your opinion. But you could easily say this about anyone. You can love Karl Rove, hate him, or ignore him, but its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force. Being a political force simply means that....you're a political force. Doesn't mean you have the right positions, policies, etc. Again, this is a good post simply from the standpoint that a lot of people, like yourself, are getting energized by the political process. And, even if it's for a candidate that, IMO is mostly marketing and no product, I like seeing people engaged. Apathy could be far worse.

10-09-2008, 02:09 PM	#33
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,507	I like my candidate. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Bob_Barr-2008.jpg/479px-Bob_Barr-2008.jpg[/IMG]

10-09-2008, 03:23 PM	#34
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,545	[QUOTE=freestater;2796319]I like my candidate. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Bob_Barr-2008.jpg/479px-Bob_Barr-2008.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I like your candidate too. :yes: I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr? I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.

10-09-2008, 03:35 PM	#35
agentmorris All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: the sunshine state Posts: 1,819	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes: I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr? I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE] That has been the problem with our elections for some time. The U.S. desperately needs a strong third party to challenge for once. This two-party system is faltering just like our economy.

10-09-2008, 06:10 PM	#36
JCnflies All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,709	[QUOTE=JoeyStylez;2795983]I agree 100%, and it's sad that no one has even commented on it yet. So many voters are brainwashed to think that there's only two choices, but there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from voting for a third (or fourth or fifth) party. I live in Florida, and I guarantee when I go to the polls next month, I'll have AT LEAST five different choices for president. Now I know I'm gonna vote for Obama, but in 2000 I actually voted Libertarian. I was a huge Clinton fan and I liked Gore, but his choice of Lieberman turned me away, and there was no way I was gonna vote for Bush the Dumber (I already knew back then the guy was a FUBAR waiting to happen, don't know how other people couldn't see that). There are always more than two choices, but voters are conditioned to think that kind of vote is a waste, that anyone other than a Dem or Repub could be viable. Well, let's see...if you take half of Obama's votes and half of McCain's votes and give them to Bob Barr or Ron Paul as write-ins, those guys become viable candidates...and probably president. So if you truly feel that neither major candidate is right for you, speak with your vote. There ARE options, you just gotta free your mind enough to make it happen.[/QUOTE] Not really. I voted for Perot and all it did was hand the election to Clinton. In Fla, some can say they voted for Nader and it gave the election to Bush. For a 3rd Party / Indy to be serious, the finance laws would have to change. But if we did that, the influence of lobbyists and special interests would disappear so they won't let it happen.

10-10-2008, 12:28 AM	#38
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,507	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796533]I like your candidate too. :yes: I'd like to hear an answer from you, paulie or others to the following question....If I am already of the opinion that there is 100% no way Barr can win the election, is there any substantive value to me voting for him other than showing there is a small but vocal/concerned minority that is of the same opinion as Bob Barr? I would vote for Bab Barr if I saw value in it. Obviously, he has no chance of winning the election.[/QUOTE] Vote for Barr if you see value in the Libertarian ideal that the best government is the government that governs least.

10-10-2008, 01:02 AM	#39
BushyTheBeaver size matters All League Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,922	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2796299]You can love Karl Rove, hate him, or ignore him, but its pretty hard to argue that the man is not an impressive political force. Being a political force simply means that....you're a political force. Doesn't mean you have the right positions, policies, etc.[/QUOTE] Herman Goering was a political force. Yet I find nothing admirable about the man.

10-10-2008, 02:04 AM	#40
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,545	[QUOTE=pauliec;2796970]Well, the way I look at it is that I'm standing up for the principles I believe in and won't sacrifice basic fundamentals just because there's no hope he can win. I know, I'm young and naive -- give me a break. Also, I'm a registered Republican, and if enough Republicans like me choose Barr over McCain, then some election expert/analyst somewhere will take notice and hopefully make an issue out of it. In that way it's somewhat of a protest against the party that failed supporters like me. Not to mention that I don't have to worry about taking votes away from McCain, and enabling a swift Obama victory. NJ is all but locked up, 51-40 as of today. As for you, Arizona is a lock for McCain; today's polls are at 52-38. So, pretty much the same thing. You don't have to vote McCain to keep Obama out of the White House, all of the retirees in Scottsdale will do it for you.[/QUOTE] Good points. Thanks. I'm undecided but Barr is the most preferable candidate to me.