mavs howard:i'm black.

2foolish197 · 09-18-2008, 05:37 PM

Dallas Mavericks' Josh Howard disrespects national anthem

12:19 PM CDT on Thursday, September 18, 2008
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email]esefko@dallasnews.com[/email]

Josh Howard's decision-making has again come into question after he was filmed disrespecting the national anthem.

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And the Mavericks are taking steps to help Howard and their other players avoid controversy in the future.

In a video posted on YouTube, the swingman is shown at Allen Iverson's charity flag football game in July. When the national anthem is being sung, various participants are shown mugging for the camera. When the camera gets to Howard, he says: " 'The Star-Spangled Banner' is going on. I don't celebrate this [expletive]. I'm black."

Howard goes on to make a difficult-to-discern comment that includes a reference to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

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The video comes on the heels of his July arrest for a late-night street race in North Carolina and last season's admission that he is an occasional marijuana user. He also had a birthday bash for himself after the Mavericks lost Game 4 of their playoff series against New Orleans, even though coach Avery Johnson had asked the players to keep extracurricular activities to a minimum during the playoffs.

Owner Mark Cuban said the Mavericks dealt with Howard's flag football episode after it happened in July.

"That said, we will be going through some advanced communication-skill sessions together this training camp," Cuban said Tuesday. "I have explained to him that cellphone cameras are not your friend and that what you think you said on camera is never what people will hear when it shows up on YouTube or TV.

"There is only one universal response that works: 'Both teams played hard.' "

This is not the first time Howard has been cast in an un-American light. He rejected an offer to join the U.S. Olympic team when he said the initial training camp in 2006 conflicted with his summer camps.

Howard's agent, Mark Schwartz, did not return phone messages.

The Mavericks received numerous off-season trade offers for Howard, but almost all were from teams who presumed a low-ball offer might prompt a deal. Team officials have said repeatedly they're not interested in trading Howard.

"Josh really is a good guy with a great heart," Cuban said. "He just doesn't do a good job of showing that side of himself publicly. We will work on that."

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2foolish197 · 09-18-2008, 05:37 PM

he says something about obama but can't make it out....

jetstream23 · 09-18-2008, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=2foolish197;2758717]he says something about obama but can't make it out....[/QUOTE]

Maybe something about not having to salute during an anthem or when a crappy singer is performing???

[url]

brady's a catcher · 09-18-2008, 05:46 PM

I think he has a good point. When will the white man stop keeping him down? When?

Timmy® · 09-18-2008, 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=2foolish197;2758713]

Howard's agent,[B] Mark Schwartz,[/B] did not return phone messages.

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He doesn't want a black man handling his finances though.:D

Gagoots · 09-18-2008, 05:48 PM

Screw thew national anthem.
Doesn't mean anything.
Its childish crap.

vin777b · 09-18-2008, 05:49 PM

idiot.

Gagoots · 09-18-2008, 05:52 PM

[QUOTE=vin777b;2758737]idiot.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.
[B]I'M[/B] the idiot.

Do as you're told.

AJGunns · 09-18-2008, 05:56 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2758721]Maybe something about not having to salute during an anthem or when a crappy singer is performing???

[url]

2foolish197 · 09-18-2008, 05:56 PM

[QUOTE=Gagoots;2758735]Screw thew national anthem.
Doesn't mean anything.
Its childish crap.[/QUOTE]the voice of george carlin speaks thru you.

vin777b · 09-18-2008, 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=Gagoots;2758743]Yeah.
[B]I'M[/B] the idiot.[/QUOTE]

you are? Ok. I believe you.

supergumbo · 09-18-2008, 06:04 PM

There you go Howard. Fight the white power.

USAFJETSFAN · 09-18-2008, 06:11 PM

[QUOTE=AJGunns;2758749]1. You only have to salute during the Pledge of Allegiance.
2. You are supposed to face the flag during the National Anthem, so a lot of people screwed up during the National Anthem.
3. Political propaganda doesn't help anyone.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe Obama and you need to know the correct way of rendering respect for the flag.

Sorry...hands covering your croch is not one of them

[URL="http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html"]http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html[/URL]

32green · 09-18-2008, 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=Gagoots;2758735]Screw thew national anthem.
Doesn't mean anything.
Its childish crap.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home.

Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

[I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.

The Boston Patriot · 09-18-2008, 06:31 PM

Your best post ever 32!

vin777b · 09-18-2008, 06:38 PM

[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home.

Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

[I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE]

very well said, 32.

AJGunns · 09-18-2008, 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=USAFJETSFAN;2758771]Well maybe Obama and you need to know the correct way of rendering respect for the flag.

Sorry...hands covering your croch is not one of them

[URL="http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html"]http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

You just worry about what you do during the National Anthem. This is a non-story that was blown out of proportion. My opinion about that incident is not going to change my vote either way anymore than the left-wing propaganda against McCain.

JETranger 206B · 09-18-2008, 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home.

Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

[I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE]

:usaflag::clapper: Hear Hear

2foolish197 · 09-18-2008, 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=AJGunns;2758817]You just worry about what you do during the National Anthem. This is a non-story that was blown out of proportion. My opinion about that incident is not going to change my vote either way anymore than the left-wing propaganda against McCain.[/QUOTE]:huh::huh::huh:

JetsFan24 · 09-18-2008, 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home.

Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

[I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE]

When was the last time we were invaded by a force threatening to take away our free speech? The national anthem isn't designed to say thank you to the troops, it's designed to foster conformity and nationalism. I'll take a pass, from the comfort of my suburban home (whatever that means).

09-18-2008, 05:37 PM	#1
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,532	mavs howard:i'm black. Dallas Mavericks' Josh Howard disrespects national anthem 12:19 PM CDT on Thursday, September 18, 2008 By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News [email]esefko@dallasnews.com[/email] Josh Howard's decision-making has again come into question after he was filmed disrespecting the national anthem. Video Dallas Maverick Josh Howard's "unpatriotic" remarks from a summer flag football game. 09/18/2008 More general sports video View larger E-mail Clip More Video Sports Videos Events manager describes Reunion Arena auction items Dallas Cowboys report (9/17) Texas Rangers throw party for Hurricane Ike kids in Dallas And the Mavericks are taking steps to help Howard and their other players avoid controversy in the future. In a video posted on YouTube, the swingman is shown at Allen Iverson's charity flag football game in July. When the national anthem is being sung, various participants are shown mugging for the camera. When the camera gets to Howard, he says: " 'The Star-Spangled Banner' is going on. I don't celebrate this [expletive]. I'm black." Howard goes on to make a difficult-to-discern comment that includes a reference to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Mavericks/NBA Tell Us: Is too much being made of Howard's comments? Talking Race: Josh Howard off-key on black patriotism Dallas Mavericks' Josh Howard keeps stepping out of bounds Jean-Jacques Taylor: Who cares what Josh Howard has to say? Blog: Dallas Mavericks The video comes on the heels of his July arrest for a late-night street race in North Carolina and last season's admission that he is an occasional marijuana user. He also had a birthday bash for himself after the Mavericks lost Game 4 of their playoff series against New Orleans, even though coach Avery Johnson had asked the players to keep extracurricular activities to a minimum during the playoffs. Owner Mark Cuban said the Mavericks dealt with Howard's flag football episode after it happened in July. "That said, we will be going through some advanced communication-skill sessions together this training camp," Cuban said Tuesday. "I have explained to him that cellphone cameras are not your friend and that what you think you said on camera is never what people will hear when it shows up on YouTube or TV. "There is only one universal response that works: 'Both teams played hard.' " This is not the first time Howard has been cast in an un-American light. He rejected an offer to join the U.S. Olympic team when he said the initial training camp in 2006 conflicted with his summer camps. Howard's agent, Mark Schwartz, did not return phone messages. The Mavericks received numerous off-season trade offers for Howard, but almost all were from teams who presumed a low-ball offer might prompt a deal. Team officials have said repeatedly they're not interested in trading Howard. "Josh really is a good guy with a great heart," Cuban said. "He just doesn't do a good job of showing that side of himself publicly. We will work on that." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

09-18-2008, 05:41 PM	#3
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,612	[QUOTE=2foolish197;2758717]he says something about obama but can't make it out....[/QUOTE] Maybe something about not having to salute during an anthem or when a crappy singer is performing??? [url]

09-18-2008, 05:46 PM	#4
brady's a catcher R.I.P Goofy Maloof All Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 6,701	I think he has a good point. When will the white man stop keeping him down? When?

09-18-2008, 05:47 PM	#5
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,523	[QUOTE=2foolish197;2758713] Howard's agent,[B] Mark Schwartz,[/B] did not return phone messages. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/QUOTE] He doesn't want a black man handling his finances though.:D

09-18-2008, 05:48 PM	#6
Gagoots Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,564	Screw thew national anthem. Doesn't mean anything. Its childish crap.

09-18-2008, 05:49 PM	#7
vin777b Kyle Wilson (aka Jan Brady) All Pro Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,796	idiot.

09-18-2008, 05:52 PM	#8
Gagoots Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,564	[QUOTE=vin777b;2758737]idiot.[/QUOTE] Yeah. [B]I'M[/B] the idiot. Do as you're told.

09-18-2008, 05:56 PM	#9
AJGunns Say no to Chicken Little. Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,450	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2758721]Maybe something about not having to salute during an anthem or when a crappy singer is performing??? [url]

09-18-2008, 05:57 PM	#11
vin777b Kyle Wilson (aka Jan Brady) All Pro Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,796	[QUOTE=Gagoots;2758743]Yeah. [B]I'M[/B] the idiot.[/QUOTE] you are? Ok. I believe you.

09-18-2008, 06:04 PM	#12
supergumbo All League Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 618	There you go Howard. Fight the white power.

09-18-2008, 06:11 PM	#13
USAFJETSFAN Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: From L.I. Now Oklahoma Posts: 214	[QUOTE=AJGunns;2758749]1. You only have to salute during the Pledge of Allegiance. 2. You are supposed to face the flag during the National Anthem, so a lot of people screwed up during the National Anthem. 3. Political propaganda doesn't help anyone.[/QUOTE] Well maybe Obama and you need to know the correct way of rendering respect for the flag. Sorry...hands covering your croch is not one of them [URL="http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html"]http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html[/URL]

09-18-2008, 06:25 PM	#14
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=Gagoots;2758735]Screw thew national anthem. Doesn't mean anything. Its childish crap.[/QUOTE] Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home. Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. [I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.

09-18-2008, 06:31 PM	#15
The Boston Patriot is getting the banned back together! All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Island of Sodor Posts: 6,267	Your best post ever 32!

09-18-2008, 06:38 PM	#16
vin777b Kyle Wilson (aka Jan Brady) All Pro Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,796	[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home. Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. [I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE] very well said, 32.

09-18-2008, 06:41 PM	#17
AJGunns Say no to Chicken Little. Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,450	[QUOTE=USAFJETSFAN;2758771]Well maybe Obama and you need to know the correct way of rendering respect for the flag. Sorry...hands covering your croch is not one of them [URL="http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html"]http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html[/URL][/QUOTE] You just worry about what you do during the National Anthem. This is a non-story that was blown out of proportion. My opinion about that incident is not going to change my vote either way anymore than the left-wing propaganda against McCain.

09-18-2008, 06:44 PM	#18
JETranger 206B Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jersey shore Posts: 2,011	[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home. Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. [I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE] :usaflag::clapper: Hear Hear

09-18-2008, 06:52 PM	#19
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,532	[QUOTE=AJGunns;2758817]You just worry about what you do during the National Anthem. This is a non-story that was blown out of proportion. My opinion about that incident is not going to change my vote either way anymore than the left-wing propaganda against McCain.[/QUOTE]:huh::huh::huh:

09-18-2008, 06:57 PM	#20
JetsFan24 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 901	[QUOTE=32green;2758798]Wow. Cutting edge commentary from the comfort of your suburban home. Even if you detest the current administration, please consider that folks a lot less blessed than you spilled blood and gave their lives to ensure your right to vomit forth that pseudo-radical blather from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. [I]"It doesn't mean anything"[/I].......Clueless.[/QUOTE] When was the last time we were invaded by a force threatening to take away our free speech? The national anthem isn't designed to say thank you to the troops, it's designed to foster conformity and nationalism. I'll take a pass, from the comfort of my suburban home (whatever that means).