It's getting bad in Oakland

rmeyer52 · 10-15-2008, 03:56 PM

So being here on the West Coast I have to listen to the garbage coming out of the Raiders org and it's getting nasty. Warren Saap says that the players should look elsewhere for a good organization and now there are mutterings that the players do not want to play for Al Davis, classy individual that he is. I guess Oakland will have the number one draft pick and have to lay out a boatload of money again for just a few players. Whatever happened to this team ??

GreenReaper · 10-15-2008, 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=rmeyer52;2806049]So being here on the West Coast I have to listen to the garbage coming out of the Raiders org and it's getting nasty. Warren Saap says that the players should look elsewhere for a good organization and now there are mutterings that the players do not want to play for Al Davis, classy individual that he is. I guess Oakland will have the number one draft pick and have to lay out a boatload of money again for just a few players. Whatever happened to this team ??[/QUOTE]

Al Davis became Alheimer's Davis...a sick mind with a dark soul.

quantum · 10-15-2008, 04:01 PM

The Raiders should just fall over on every snap - that would teach Crazy Ole Al a lesson.

sameoldjets · 10-15-2008, 04:02 PM

maybe al will hire art shell again.

it seems pretty clear that davis has lost whatever he had but at the same time warren sapp complaining? the guy should be thankful the raiders are still keeping him employed.

what that team needs is for the nfl to come in and effectively remove davis from the day to day operations of the team. something like they did for the giaints in the late 70's. select a good gm and then a good coach and soon players will want to play there again. and one thing not mentioned is that al davis may have asked the players to do directly to him if they had a problem but those same players could have stayed loyal to kiffin and not gone.

rmeyer52 · 10-15-2008, 04:06 PM

I think the owner plays a big part in the players desire to excel and win and clearly Davis is in need of an old age home where he can rock his chair and mumble about socialism.

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 10-15-2008, 04:18 PM

[QUOTE=rmeyer52;2806065]I think the owner plays a big part in the players desire to excel and win and clearly Davis is in need of an old age home where he can rock his chair and mumble about socialism.[/QUOTE]

You know, maybe I am being a little naive here.

I know money talks and bullsh!t walks, but, I can't help but wonder at what point does Roger Goodell and the rest of the NFL owners get involved (if ever) for the good of the NFL and say - Hey Al, we don't believe you are fit to own and operate an NFL franchise any longer. Bow out gracefully, save some face, and put your team up for sale.

Clearly Al Davis's competence to own and run an NFL franchise has to come into question at some point, particualrly at his age and with his more than questionable tactics, which have been on grand display as of late.

sect313 · 10-15-2008, 04:39 PM

[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806081]You know, maybe I am being a little naive here.

I know money talks and bullsh!t walks, but, I can't help but wonder at what point does Roger Goodell and the rest of the NFL owners get involved (if ever) and say hey Al, we don't believe you are fit to own and operate an NFL franchise any longer. Bow out gracefully, save some face, and put your team up for sale.

Clearly Al Davis's competence to own and run an NFL franchise has to come into question at some point, particualrly at his age and with his more than questionable tactics, which have been on grand display as of late.[/QUOTE]

this would just make Al mad and do crazier sh*t

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 10-15-2008, 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=sect313;2806108]this would just make Al mad and do crazier sh*t[/QUOTE]

Maybe so.

I do know that anytime an NFL team is put up for sale, all of the existing NFL owners have the right to approve (I'm assuming by majority decision) or disapprove the sale of the team to the potential buyer.

I can't help but wonder if they have some kind of agreement amongst the owners where they can force an owner to sell their team, if they feel the owner in question is no longer of sound mind and body and the majority of owners now find that he (in this case Al Davis) is incapable of running his franchise with the competence that is expected of him.

I know I am reaching but is it really that far-fetched??

dbatesman · 10-15-2008, 04:54 PM

[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806121]Maybe so.

I do know that anytime an NFL team is put up for sale, all of the existing NFL owners have the right to approve (I'm assuming by majority decision) or disapprove the sale of the team to the potential buyer.

I can't help but wonder if they have some kind of agreement amongst the owners where they can force an owner to sell their team, if they feel the owner in question is no longer of sound mind and body and the majority of owners now find that he (in this case Al Davis) is incapable of running his franchise with the competence that is expected of him.

I know I am reaching but is it really that far-fetched??[/QUOTE]

I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans.

I understand what you mean, but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.

32green · 10-15-2008, 04:57 PM

I applaud every second a former power house team is weakened by the addled interference of its doddering owner. Less work for us.

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 10-15-2008, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=dbatesman;2806133]I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans.

I understand what you mean, but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right dbatesman but, I can't help but wonder.

JetFreak89 · 10-15-2008, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806145]You're probably right dbatesman but, I can't help but wonder.[/QUOTE]

Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 10-15-2008, 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=JetFreak89;2806165]Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.[/QUOTE]

Stranger things have happened.

If Al Davis exhibits more questionable tactics along the lines of how he handled the Kiffin firing, it really wouldn't surprise me.

For an NFL owner (Al Davis) to have a nationally televised press conference to try and justify and explain (while attacking Kiffin's character and credibility in the process) why he fired a 31 yr old head coach that had no head-coaching experience in the NFL prior to Davis hiring him is just unbelievable....to me anyway.

You would think, as an NFL owner, he would have more pressing business to attend to. :rolleyes:

supergumbo · 10-15-2008, 05:27 PM

I love it. I want to see Al Davis run the Faiders organization into the ground.

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 10-15-2008, 05:32 PM

[QUOTE=supergumbo;2806196]I love it. I want to see Al Davis run the Faiders organization into the ground.[/QUOTE]

I think he has already done that, just look at the last 4 years, could they be any worse????

Then Davis spends all kinds of money this off-season and they are 1-4 right now coming off of a 31-3 blowout loss this past weekend???

How much worse could they possibly get???

theVinman · 10-15-2008, 05:36 PM

[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806203]How much worse could they possibly get???[/QUOTE]

wait to we pound them this week in Oakland.

WestCoastOffensive · 10-15-2008, 05:40 PM

Food for thought: Nobody is a bigger Lane Kiffin fan than Monte Kiffin, right? And Monte Kiffin helped turn Sapp into a household name. So Sapp is just working for the Kiffin family; a family that (allegedly) tried to pry control of the Raiders out from under A.D.

Al's got 3 years tops, imo. He wants it done his way, with Russell and his RB's.

GreenReaper · 10-15-2008, 05:50 PM

[QUOTE=dbatesman;2806133]I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans.

I understand what you mean, [B]but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.[/B][/QUOTE]

+1

And you can bet that the streetfighter in AD will bring a lawsuit fight with the NFL, that will last til Goodell in buried in his grave. And I'm sure Big Al has plenty of embarassing dirt on the NFL, and it's other owners, that the League would not want aired as public laundry. Can you imagine what kind of a press conference AD would launch, to announce his lawsuit against the NFL/Owners:eek:

pcola · 10-15-2008, 06:02 PM

I don't want to underscore the gross negligence that Al has displayed, but I don't think the NFL would ever step into a situation unless the fans stopped paying. Period. If the team on the field still yields a marketable product than they have no business stepping in for the other owners. For the good of the league, well I am sure that Spanos, Hunt, and Bowlen are quite fine with the situation currently.

Food for thought, when bad teams start turning off the fans, and they stop showing up, they move the team to a new optimistic city, a la Arizon, St. Louis, etc.

I didn't see the NFL step in for the Jets during the 1970's, the Bengals of the 1990's. Its cyclical. When Al finally doesn't have the strength to put on that retro Oakland Jacket or give presentations with his overhead projector, he will move on and sell the team.

Sannop · 10-15-2008, 06:13 PM

[QUOTE=JetFreak89;2806165]Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.[/QUOTE]

Jerry Jones is the most likely candidate in the future.

10-15-2008, 03:56 PM	#1
rmeyer52 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 2,108	It's getting bad in Oakland So being here on the West Coast I have to listen to the garbage coming out of the Raiders org and it's getting nasty. Warren Saap says that the players should look elsewhere for a good organization and now there are mutterings that the players do not want to play for Al Davis, classy individual that he is. I guess Oakland will have the number one draft pick and have to lay out a boatload of money again for just a few players. Whatever happened to this team ??

10-15-2008, 04:18 PM	#6
ARodFLKeysJetsFan is looking ahead, bracing for impact. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Keys by way of Islip, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 16,313	[QUOTE=rmeyer52;2806065]I think the owner plays a big part in the players desire to excel and win and clearly Davis is in need of an old age home where he can rock his chair and mumble about socialism.[/QUOTE] You know, maybe I am being a little naive here. I know money talks and bullsh!t walks, but, I can't help but wonder at what point does Roger Goodell and the rest of the NFL owners get involved (if ever) for the good of the NFL and say - Hey Al, we don't believe you are fit to own and operate an NFL franchise any longer. Bow out gracefully, save some face, and put your team up for sale. Clearly Al Davis's competence to own and run an NFL franchise has to come into question at some point, particualrly at his age and with his more than questionable tactics, which have been on grand display as of late. Last edited by ARodFLKeysJetsFan; 10-15-2008 at 04:40 PM.

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10-15-2008, 03:59 PM	#2
GreenReaper is ...back from the DEAD...again! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,340	[QUOTE=rmeyer52;2806049]So being here on the West Coast I have to listen to the garbage coming out of the Raiders org and it's getting nasty. Warren Saap says that the players should look elsewhere for a good organization and now there are mutterings that the players do not want to play for Al Davis, classy individual that he is. I guess Oakland will have the number one draft pick and have to lay out a boatload of money again for just a few players. Whatever happened to this team ??[/QUOTE] Al Davis became Alheimer's Davis...a sick mind with a dark soul.

10-15-2008, 04:01 PM	#3
quantum is even more FED UP than before! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 10,714	The Raiders should just fall over on every snap - that would teach Crazy Ole Al a lesson.

10-15-2008, 04:02 PM	#4
sameoldjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,082	maybe al will hire art shell again. it seems pretty clear that davis has lost whatever he had but at the same time warren sapp complaining? the guy should be thankful the raiders are still keeping him employed. what that team needs is for the nfl to come in and effectively remove davis from the day to day operations of the team. something like they did for the giaints in the late 70's. select a good gm and then a good coach and soon players will want to play there again. and one thing not mentioned is that al davis may have asked the players to do directly to him if they had a problem but those same players could have stayed loyal to kiffin and not gone.

10-15-2008, 04:06 PM	#5
rmeyer52 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 2,108	I think the owner plays a big part in the players desire to excel and win and clearly Davis is in need of an old age home where he can rock his chair and mumble about socialism.

10-15-2008, 04:39 PM	#7
sect313 is living with eyes closed Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,034	[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806081]You know, maybe I am being a little naive here. I know money talks and bullsh!t walks, but, I can't help but wonder at what point does Roger Goodell and the rest of the NFL owners get involved (if ever) and say hey Al, we don't believe you are fit to own and operate an NFL franchise any longer. Bow out gracefully, save some face, and put your team up for sale. Clearly Al Davis's competence to own and run an NFL franchise has to come into question at some point, particualrly at his age and with his more than questionable tactics, which have been on grand display as of late.[/QUOTE] this would just make Al mad and do crazier sh*t

10-15-2008, 04:48 PM	#8
ARodFLKeysJetsFan is looking ahead, bracing for impact. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Keys by way of Islip, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 16,313	[QUOTE=sect313;2806108]this would just make Al mad and do crazier sh*t[/QUOTE] Maybe so. I do know that anytime an NFL team is put up for sale, all of the existing NFL owners have the right to approve (I'm assuming by majority decision) or disapprove the sale of the team to the potential buyer. I can't help but wonder if they have some kind of agreement amongst the owners where they can force an owner to sell their team, if they feel the owner in question is no longer of sound mind and body and the majority of owners now find that he (in this case Al Davis) is incapable of running his franchise with the competence that is expected of him. I know I am reaching but is it really that far-fetched??

10-15-2008, 04:54 PM	#9
dbatesman Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Champaign, IL by way of Freehold, NJ Posts: 3,846	[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806121]Maybe so. I do know that anytime an NFL team is put up for sale, all of the existing NFL owners have the right to approve (I'm assuming by majority decision) or disapprove the sale of the team to the potential buyer. I can't help but wonder if they have some kind of agreement amongst the owners where they can force an owner to sell their team, if they feel the owner in question is no longer of sound mind and body and the majority of owners now find that he (in this case Al Davis) is incapable of running his franchise with the competence that is expected of him. I know I am reaching but is it really that far-fetched??[/QUOTE] I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans. I understand what you mean, but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.

10-15-2008, 04:57 PM	#10
32green is Jodge Stoinbrennahs BAWX!!!!!!!!!!! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,809	I applaud every second a former power house team is weakened by the addled interference of its doddering owner. Less work for us.

10-15-2008, 04:58 PM	#11
ARodFLKeysJetsFan is looking ahead, bracing for impact. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Keys by way of Islip, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 16,313	[QUOTE=dbatesman;2806133]I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans. I understand what you mean, but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.[/QUOTE] You're probably right dbatesman but, I can't help but wonder.

10-15-2008, 05:08 PM	#12
JetFreak89 is missing football All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,871	[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806145]You're probably right dbatesman but, I can't help but wonder.[/QUOTE] Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.

10-15-2008, 05:23 PM	#13
ARodFLKeysJetsFan is looking ahead, bracing for impact. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Keys by way of Islip, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 16,313	[QUOTE=JetFreak89;2806165]Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.[/QUOTE] Stranger things have happened. If Al Davis exhibits more questionable tactics along the lines of how he handled the Kiffin firing, it really wouldn't surprise me. For an NFL owner (Al Davis) to have a nationally televised press conference to try and justify and explain (while attacking Kiffin's character and credibility in the process) why he fired a 31 yr old head coach that had no head-coaching experience in the NFL prior to Davis hiring him is just unbelievable....to me anyway. You would think, as an NFL owner, he would have more pressing business to attend to. :rolleyes:

10-15-2008, 05:27 PM	#14
supergumbo All League Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 972	I love it. I want to see Al Davis run the Faiders organization into the ground.

10-15-2008, 05:32 PM	#15
ARodFLKeysJetsFan is looking ahead, bracing for impact. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Keys by way of Islip, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 16,313	[QUOTE=supergumbo;2806196]I love it. I want to see Al Davis run the Faiders organization into the ground.[/QUOTE] I think he has already done that, just look at the last 4 years, could they be any worse???? Then Davis spends all kinds of money this off-season and they are 1-4 right now coming off of a 31-3 blowout loss this past weekend??? How much worse could they possibly get???

10-15-2008, 05:36 PM	#16
theVinman All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 646	[QUOTE=ARodKeyWestJetsFan;2806203]How much worse could they possibly get???[/QUOTE] wait to we pound them this week in Oakland.

10-15-2008, 05:40 PM	#17
WestCoastOffensive is ; therefore, you ain't! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 20,239	Food for thought: Nobody is a bigger Lane Kiffin fan than Monte Kiffin, right? And Monte Kiffin helped turn Sapp into a household name. So Sapp is just working for the Kiffin family; a family that (allegedly) tried to pry control of the Raiders out from under A.D. Al's got 3 years tops, imo. He wants it done his way, with Russell and his RB's.

10-15-2008, 05:50 PM	#18
GreenReaper is ...back from the DEAD...again! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,340	[QUOTE=dbatesman;2806133]I see what you're getting at, but I don't think the NFL wants any part of that. It's a slippery slope--how do you define "incompetence"? Davis certainly is incompetent as an owner, but by that definition, so is William Ford--should the league take over the Lions? Hell, some people around here think Woody should be stripped of the team because of the Queens/NJ shenanigans. I understand what you mean, [B]but I just think it's way too messy for the league to start stripping owners of their franchises if anything less than outright fraud or open drug abuse is occurring.[/B][/QUOTE] +1 And you can bet that the streetfighter in AD will bring a lawsuit fight with the NFL, that will last til Goodell in buried in his grave. And I'm sure Big Al has plenty of embarassing dirt on the NFL, and it's other owners, that the League would not want aired as public laundry. Can you imagine what kind of a press conference AD would launch, to announce his lawsuit against the NFL/Owners:eek:

10-15-2008, 06:02 PM	#19
pcola All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 2,071	I don't want to underscore the gross negligence that Al has displayed, but I don't think the NFL would ever step into a situation unless the fans stopped paying. Period. If the team on the field still yields a marketable product than they have no business stepping in for the other owners. For the good of the league, well I am sure that Spanos, Hunt, and Bowlen are quite fine with the situation currently. Food for thought, when bad teams start turning off the fans, and they stop showing up, they move the team to a new optimistic city, a la Arizon, St. Louis, etc. I didn't see the NFL step in for the Jets during the 1970's, the Bengals of the 1990's. Its cyclical. When Al finally doesn't have the strength to put on that retro Oakland Jacket or give presentations with his overhead projector, he will move on and sell the team.

10-15-2008, 06:13 PM	#20
Sannop Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 466	[QUOTE=JetFreak89;2806165]Hey, you never know...maybe in 20 years another situation like this comes up and we will be discussing whether a team will implement the "Al Davis" Rule.[/QUOTE] Jerry Jones is the most likely candidate in the future.

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