MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data

SONNY WERBLIN · 10-30-2008, 04:00 PM

[url]http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Trendwatch
By Rick C. Hodgin
Thursday, October 30, 2008 09:55

Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

Methane - powerful greenhouse gas

The two lead authors of a paper published in this week's Geophysical Review Letters, Matthew Rigby and Ronald Prinn, the TEPCO Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, state that as a result of the increase, several million tons of new methane is present in the atmosphere.

Methane accounts for roughly one-fifth of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, though its effect is 25x greater than that of carbon dioxide. Its impact on global warming comes from the reflection of the sun's light back to the Earth (like a greenhouse). Methane is typically broken down in the atmosphere by the free radical hydroxyl (OH), a naturally occuring process. This atmospheric cleanser has been shown to adjust itself up and down periodically, and is believed to account for the lack of increases in methane levels in Earth's atmosphere over the past ten years despite notable simultaneous increases by man.

More study

Prinn has said, "The next step will be to study [these changes] using a very high-resolution atmospheric circulation model and additional measurements from other networks. The key thing is to better determine the relative roles of increased methane emission versus [an increase] in the rate of removal. Apparently we have a mix of the two, but we want to know how much of each [is responsible for the overall increase]."

The primary concern now is that 2007 is long over. While the collected data from that time period reflects a simultaneous world-wide increase in emissions, observing atmospheric trends now is like observing the healthy horse running through the paddock a year after it overcame some mystery illness. Where does one even begin? And how relevant are any of the data findings at this late date? Looking back over 2007 data as it was captured may prove as ineffective if the data does not support the high resolution details such a study requires.

One thing does seem very clear, however; science is only beginning to get a handle on the big picture of global warming. Findings like these tell us it's too early to know for sure if man's impact is affecting things at the political cry of "alarming rates." We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times - one that's been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occuring for hundreds of thousands of years.

Project funding

Rigby and Prinn carried out this study with help from researchers at Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Bristol and Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Methane gas measurements came from the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE), which is supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and the Australian CSIRO network [/QUOTE]

Polidore22 · 10-30-2008, 04:04 PM

Global warming is the biggest hoax ever.

parafly · 10-30-2008, 04:06 PM

Could this be causing it?

[QUOTE]Study says methane from ocean floor is 'time bomb'

Updated Sat. Sep. 27 2008 4:47 PM ET

The Canadian Press

New research suggests there may be a methane "time bomb" on the ocean floor threatening to catastrophically warm the climate and Canadian scientists wonder what effects this may have on people's efforts to combat global warming.

Preliminary findings from an international study suggest that significant amounts of methane gas -- a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide -- are being released from the ocean floor off Russia's north coast.

Permafrost on the ocean floor is currently holding the methane back. But the researchers, working from a ship off the Russian coast, say that the permafrost appears to be melting, causing methane gas to bubble to the surface.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080927/Methane_Climate_20080926/20080927?hub=Canada"]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080927/Methane_Climate_20080926/20080927?hub=Canada[/URL]

Warfish · 10-30-2008, 04:11 PM

When discussing Methane, it may be worth noting how many heads of cattle and domestic/food animals we have now, as opposed to years and eras ago.

That would be "man made" of course, but almost unavaoidable.

2foolish197 · 10-30-2008, 04:16 PM

interesting...maybe goes along with theory that carbon follows the weather not the other way around.

PlumberKhan · 10-30-2008, 04:19 PM

Global Warming = Hoax

Dumping billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere = Retarded

JetsCrazey · 10-30-2008, 04:42 PM

pollution is harmful and we need to reduce our emittance

however presently global warming is clearly being politicized to advance the Rockefellers/Rothschilds march towards World Government

SONNY WERBLIN · 10-30-2008, 04:43 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832803]Global Warming = Hoax

Dumping billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere = Retarded[/QUOTE]

+1

Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose.

When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.

PlumberKhan · 10-30-2008, 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2832846]+1

Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose.

When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister.

Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.

SONNY WERBLIN · 10-30-2008, 04:50 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832854]Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister.

Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.[/QUOTE]

Man, it's a lovefest. I'm agreeing with everyone on this board today.

CTM · 10-30-2008, 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2832846]+1

Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose.
[B]
When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.[/B][/QUOTE]

That's actually the most current prediction from cooling sea temperatures..

Tucker134 · 10-30-2008, 09:25 PM

Global warming, & Al Gore......2 HOAX'S

Sharrow · 10-31-2008, 03:53 AM

Global Warming (Greenhouse Effect) happens. It's a fact, anyone who denies that is ignorant. The extent of human effect on global warming is another story.

Warfish · 10-31-2008, 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=Sharrow;2833376]Global Warming (Greenhouse Effect) happens. It's a fact, anyone who denies that is ignorant. The extent of human effect on global warming is another story.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.

2foolish197 · 10-31-2008, 08:16 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;2833399]Exactly.

Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.[/QUOTE]of course global warming exists.so does global cooling.is it happening now? who knows.but i still like to make the enviorment cleaner,water safer to drink,.etc and stuff like that.

2foolish197 · 10-31-2008, 08:22 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832854]Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister.

Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.[/QUOTE]the earth will cleanse itself regardless of what we do.always has.always will.making your analogy, in the long run mute.

Polidore22 · 10-31-2008, 08:49 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;2833399]Exactly.

Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.[/QUOTE]

I don't equate Global Warming with the greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect is a proven theory where Global Warming has become the idea that this phenomenon is causing rapid global warmth(and that we are causing it.)

"Go visit Venus." Haha.

10-30-2008, 04:00 PM	#1
SONNY WERBLIN is very much alive. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,711	MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data [url]http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html[/url] [QUOTE]Trendwatch By Rick C. Hodgin Thursday, October 30, 2008 09:55 Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions. Methane - powerful greenhouse gas The two lead authors of a paper published in this week's Geophysical Review Letters, Matthew Rigby and Ronald Prinn, the TEPCO Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, state that as a result of the increase, several million tons of new methane is present in the atmosphere. Methane accounts for roughly one-fifth of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, though its effect is 25x greater than that of carbon dioxide. Its impact on global warming comes from the reflection of the sun's light back to the Earth (like a greenhouse). Methane is typically broken down in the atmosphere by the free radical hydroxyl (OH), a naturally occuring process. This atmospheric cleanser has been shown to adjust itself up and down periodically, and is believed to account for the lack of increases in methane levels in Earth's atmosphere over the past ten years despite notable simultaneous increases by man. More study Prinn has said, "The next step will be to study [these changes] using a very high-resolution atmospheric circulation model and additional measurements from other networks. The key thing is to better determine the relative roles of increased methane emission versus [an increase] in the rate of removal. Apparently we have a mix of the two, but we want to know how much of each [is responsible for the overall increase]." The primary concern now is that 2007 is long over. While the collected data from that time period reflects a simultaneous world-wide increase in emissions, observing atmospheric trends now is like observing the healthy horse running through the paddock a year after it overcame some mystery illness. Where does one even begin? And how relevant are any of the data findings at this late date? Looking back over 2007 data as it was captured may prove as ineffective if the data does not support the high resolution details such a study requires. One thing does seem very clear, however; science is only beginning to get a handle on the big picture of global warming. Findings like these tell us it's too early to know for sure if man's impact is affecting things at the political cry of "alarming rates." We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times - one that's been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occuring for hundreds of thousands of years. Project funding Rigby and Prinn carried out this study with help from researchers at Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Bristol and Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Methane gas measurements came from the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE), which is supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and the Australian CSIRO network [/QUOTE]

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10-30-2008, 04:04 PM	#2
Polidore22 is a pro's pro. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,886	Global warming is the biggest hoax ever.

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parafly Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,398	Could this be causing it? [QUOTE]Study says methane from ocean floor is 'time bomb' Updated Sat. Sep. 27 2008 4:47 PM ET The Canadian Press New research suggests there may be a methane "time bomb" on the ocean floor threatening to catastrophically warm the climate and Canadian scientists wonder what effects this may have on people's efforts to combat global warming. Preliminary findings from an international study suggest that significant amounts of methane gas -- a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide -- are being released from the ocean floor off Russia's north coast. Permafrost on the ocean floor is currently holding the methane back. But the researchers, working from a ship off the Russian coast, say that the permafrost appears to be melting, causing methane gas to bubble to the surface.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080927/Methane_Climate_20080926/20080927?hub=Canada"]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080927/Methane_Climate_20080926/20080927?hub=Canada[/URL]

10-30-2008, 04:11 PM	#4
Warfish is not going to allow "Wish We Had Pennington" Threads on JI this Season. Destroyer of Words Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 23,309	When discussing Methane, it may be worth noting how many heads of cattle and domestic/food animals we have now, as opposed to years and eras ago. That would be "man made" of course, but almost unavaoidable.

10-30-2008, 04:16 PM	#5
2foolish197 is applying to infected area Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 3,826	interesting...maybe goes along with theory that carbon follows the weather not the other way around.

10-30-2008, 04:19 PM	#6
PlumberKhan is sick in the head... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 10,658	Global Warming = Hoax Dumping billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere = Retarded

10-30-2008, 04:42 PM	#7
JetsCrazey All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,547	pollution is harmful and we need to reduce our emittance however presently global warming is clearly being politicized to advance the Rockefellers/Rothschilds march towards World Government

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SONNY WERBLIN is very much alive. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,711	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832803]Global Warming = Hoax Dumping billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere = Retarded[/QUOTE] +1 Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose. When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.

10-30-2008, 04:48 PM	#9
PlumberKhan is sick in the head... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 10,658	[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2832846]+1 Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose. When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister. Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.

10-30-2008, 04:50 PM	#10
SONNY WERBLIN is very much alive. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,711	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832854]Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister. Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.[/QUOTE] Man, it's a lovefest. I'm agreeing with everyone on this board today.

10-30-2008, 06:33 PM	#11
CTM Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Not bababooey and I resent the implication Posts: 21,416	[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2832846]+1 Global warming is idiotic, but if it causes countries to begin to clean up their acts, at least it will have served some purpose. [B] When I was in grade school, they told us that the pollutants man puts into the atmosphere were going to cause another ice age.[/B][/QUOTE] That's actually the most current prediction from cooling sea temperatures..

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Tucker134 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 1,745	Global warming, & Al Gore......2 HOAX'S

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Sharrow All Pro Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,422	Global Warming (Greenhouse Effect) happens. It's a fact, anyone who denies that is ignorant. The extent of human effect on global warming is another story.

10-31-2008, 08:05 AM	#14
Warfish is not going to allow "Wish We Had Pennington" Threads on JI this Season. Destroyer of Words Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 23,309	[QUOTE=Sharrow;2833376]Global Warming (Greenhouse Effect) happens. It's a fact, anyone who denies that is ignorant. The extent of human effect on global warming is another story.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.

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2foolish197 is applying to infected area Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 3,826	[QUOTE=Warfish;2833399]Exactly. Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.[/QUOTE]of course global warming exists.so does global cooling.is it happening now? who knows.but i still like to make the enviorment cleaner,water safer to drink,.etc and stuff like that.

10-31-2008, 08:22 AM	#16
2foolish197 is applying to infected area Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 3,826	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2832854]Exactly. Governments are stupid...so we must treat them like children and make up reasons for them to do the right thing. My father used to tell me that if I made faces at my sister my face might freeze like that. His conclusion was based on junk science...the man was off his rocker. But he succeeded in getting me to stop making faces at my sister. Simple experiment for everyone who doesn't think pumping pollutants into the air does the earth harm. Run a generator in your bedroom tonight.[/QUOTE]the earth will cleanse itself regardless of what we do.always has.always will.making your analogy, in the long run mute.

10-31-2008, 08:49 AM	#17
Polidore22 is a pro's pro. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,886	[QUOTE=Warfish;2833399]Exactly. Saying "Global Warming is a Hoax" is quite ignorant. Think it doesn't exist? Go visit Venus, then come back and tell us again.[/QUOTE] I don't equate Global Warming with the greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect is a proven theory where Global Warming has become the idea that this phenomenon is causing rapid global warmth(and that we are causing it.) "Go visit Venus." Haha.

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