OT: aHHH GOD IM TORN BETWEEN THE TWO.. election '08!

[jetstream23]

[QUOTE=pauliec;2841251]You know who I'm voting for...

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Nice!

BARR....BARR....BARR

BARR....BARR.....[B]Bob Barr[/B]

BARR....BARR....BARR

BARR....BARR.....[B]Bob Barr[/B]

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[Timmy®]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2841267]

never forget, hire the vet.[/QUOTE]

Even the one who graduated 384/389 from the academy and has crashed numerous planes?

[brady's a catcher]

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841228]It is tough, you have a candidate who...

has no experience
wants to raise your taxes
wants to eliminate your 401k
launched his career from a terrorist's living room
has close ties to a "reverend" who thinks black and white children learn with different sides of their brains
has a wife who has never been proud of the USA until recently
wants to cut and run from the war in Iraq
wants to "spread the wealth" from those hard working and successful to those who don't pay taxes
recycles ideas that have proven unsuccessful in other countries and declares them as change for Americans
as a writer selected to edit the Harvard Law review contibuted not one signed word to that or any other law review (incidently interesting read on [I]his[/I] Dreams work here [url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html[/url] )

or you could chose a candidate that doesn't speak well publically or isn't as handsome[/QUOTE]


There are plenty of legitimate doubts about Obama, but McCain is just Mondale bad. He's Bush 2.0, is not particularly intelliegent or adept at critical thinking, as showed abysmal judgement in picking his running mate. I guess I'll take my chances with the "terrorist". :rolleyes:

[Tyler Durden]

[QUOTE=pauliec;2841271]C'mon Sean, Obama is going to raise everyone's taxes. That should be like a foregone conclusion by now. There's no way he's going to make good on [B]any [/B]of his campaign promises by not raising everyone's taxes to some degree.[/QUOTE]

What about McCain's campaign promises? He's the only one in this campaign who says he can eliminate the national debt, but Obama is the only one with big plans... :rolleyes:

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2841256]Eliminate your 401k?

Who wrote this? David Duke?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2841258]Yeah, like raise your taxes , and eliminate your 401k[/QUOTE]

Don't you guys read anything I post? I know I'm not in here every day repeating myself but I'd like to think you realize I'm not just putting up crap in here...

[QUOTE]Obama, Dems Seek to End 401(k) Plans
By Mark Impomeni
Oct 24th 2008 9:00AM
Filed Under:eDemocrats, Barack Obama, 2008 President


Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic allies in Congress are looking into a radical new plan that would fundamentally change the way Americans save for retirement. House Democrats recently heard testimony on the idea and, under a potential Obama administration, would likely move to put it in place. Democrats want to seize the money that workers currently invest in their 401(k) plans and replace the popular retirement savings accounts with a one-size-fits-all government sponsored retirement account. Under the scheme, Americans would be forced to transfer all of their hard earned retirement savings from their 401(k) to the government.

The government would contribute $600 a year to fund each account and would pay a rate of return of around three percent in interest. The government would also mandate that each worker contribute 5% of their yearly salary to the accounts. Under current law, workers with 401(k) plans contribute to their retirement accounts and earn interest tax free. The Democrats' plan would end those tax breaks, amounting to as much as a 15% tax hike on each American worker.

Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) said recently that Democrats had better ideas for the $80 billion that Americans contribute to their 401(k) plans each year. "We have to start thinking about whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not doing what we say it should." Sen. Obama would likely sign on to the plan as president.

Obama, McDermott, and Congressional Democrats miss the point that under current law, Americans have control over their retirement savings, where and how it is invested, and when and how much they contribute. The idea to nationalize retirement savings is another example of Democrats' socialist proclivities. They want control of Americans' retirement to reside in Washington DC, not on Main St., all in the name of "retirement security." [/QUOTE]

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2841260]1. I am glad he's participating. I truly am.

2. It's pretty clear that he's late to the party in terms of knowing the candidates and wanting to bring a video camera to the voting booth just makes this seem like voting is the "cool thing" to do this week rather than the democratic priveledge and responsibility that it truly is.

Again, SBIII, I'm glad you're involved....just leave the camera at home and spend some time getting honest, independent information on the candidates before you vote (i.e. directly from their websites or spend an hour listening to some of the recent debates)[/QUOTE]

:cool:

nice

[JetsFan2012]

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2841290]What about McCain's campaign promises? He's the only one in this campaign who says he can eliminate the national debt, how is he going to do that?

Obama says he will lower taxes for 95% of Americans..but he's the only one who has big plans.[/QUOTE]

Why is it that every time someone criticizes Obama, you immediately go to, "Well McCain blah blah blah"? I just said I was voting for Bob Barr, what the hell does that matter to me?

Do you or do you not agree that Obama will raise everyone's taxes?

[brady's a catcher]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2841267]no. obama is a liar and his election has a good chance of being extrememly bad for this country. he has zero experience managing anything and has handed out numerous political favros in his quest for the presidency. at best he will be spending 4 years fulfilling his debt at worst he will turn hard left and expose his socialist side with even more massive wealth redistribution than he has indicated. never give a 10 year old an uzi.

[B]on the other hand mccain does bring change in that he is not george bush[/B]. he has been a deficit hawk while in the senate and has the governmental experience to get thiongs done. not only that, and maybe most important, is that he does not have as many political favors to fulfill. remember the base of the republican party has pretty much disavowed his presidency. he only has their support now because obama is such a threat. in additon, mccain will be able to counterbalance the projected democratic majority in congress. when the executive and legislative branches are of the same party, bad things happen for the american people. it's that simple.

never forget, hire the vet.[/QUOTE]


That sounds like something Palin would say, "well you know, he's not actually George Bush, he has a different name and everything, so that makes him really different that George Bush, I mean they don't even sound alike, you betcha!"

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=brady's a catcher;2841280]There are plenty of legitimate doubts about Obama, but McCain is just Mondale bad. He's Bush 2.0, is not particularly intelliegent or adept at critical thinking, as showed abysmal judgement in picking his running mate. I guess I'll take my chances with the "terrorist". :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I have never labeled Obama a terrorist, I only say he was greatly influenced by one.

[Tyler Durden]

[QUOTE=pauliec;2841300]Why is it that every time someone criticizes Obama, you immediately go to, "Well McCain blah blah blah"? I just said I was voting for Bob Barr, what the hell does that matter to me?

Do you or do you not agree that Obama will raise everyone's taxes?[/QUOTE]

I believe he will lower taxes for the middle class and small businesses (me and Joe the Plumber), and raise taxes for the wealthy.

[Tyler Durden]

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841306]I have never labeled Obama a terrorist, I only say he was [B]greatly influenced by one.[/B][/QUOTE]

That is ridiculous, obviously the American people feel the same way. Only people who believe that crap is hardcore Sean Hannity fans.

[Timmy®]

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841294]Don't you guys read anything I post? I know I'm not in here every day repeating myself but I'd like to think you realize I'm not just putting up crap in here...[/QUOTE]

Sorry, didn't realize this was crap that was posted intentionally. Figured it was the usual unintentional crap. Apology extended.

BTW, you may have just unintentionally sealed the deal on SBIII's decision.

[JetsFan2012]

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2841307]I believe he will lower taxes for the middle class and small businesses (me and Joe the Plumber), and raise taxes for the wealthy.[/QUOTE]

And I'm just saying that, realistically speaking, taxes will be raised for everyone. Book it.

By the way, when you tax the hell out of a business, who do you think suffers first? The Bentley-driving CEO, or the entry level schmucks they can't afford to keep on board?

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2841314]Which is ridiculous... and obviously the American people feel the same way. Only people who believe this crap is hardcore Sean Hannity fans.[/QUOTE]

I don't listen to Hannity unless there is a commercial on another station

Read this, I just found it today, and it further backups my views, to myself if no one else.
Just too many coincidences ...

[url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html[/url]

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2841316]Sorry, didn't realize this was crap that was posted intentionally. Figured it was the usual unintentional crap. Apology extended.

BTW, you may have just unintentionally sealed the deal on SBIII's decision.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you mean, I'm not making anything up here, you need to be concerned about your 401k if the Dems are swept into power, this is a fact.

[sameoldjets]

at least read the second sentaence. he does not have as many politcal favors to pay back as obama and he has been a deficit hawk during his time in the senate. you can't distort the facts.

[QUOTE=brady's a catcher;2841301]That sounds like something Palin would say, "well you know, he's not actually George Bush, he has a different name and everything, so that makes him really different that George Bush, I mean they don't even sound alike, you betcha!"[/QUOTE]

[CTM]

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841294]Don't you guys read anything I post? I know I'm not in here every day repeating myself but I'd like to think you realize I'm not just putting up crap in here...[/QUOTE]

Actually, this is one is pretty much crap:

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841228]It is tough, you have a candidate who...

has no experience
wants to raise your taxes
wants to eliminate your 401k
launched his career from a terrorist's living room
has close ties to a "reverend" who thinks black and white children learn with different sides of their brains
has a wife who has never been proud of the USA until recently
wants to cut and run from the war in Iraq
wants to "spread the wealth" from those hard working and successful to those who don't pay taxes
recycles ideas that have proven unsuccessful in other countries and declares them as change for Americans
as a writer selected to edit the Harvard Law review contibuted not one signed word to that or any other law review (incidently interesting read on [I]his[/I] Dreams work here [url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html[/url] )

or you could chose a candidate that doesn't speak well publically or isn't as handsome[/QUOTE]

[brady's a catcher]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2841337]at least read the second sentaence. he does not have as many politcal favors to pay back as obama and he has been a deficit hawk during his time in the senate. you can't distort the facts.[/QUOTE]


He's been a kept man for years! Meh, to me he's as uninspiring a choice as could be, other than his extroidinary courage as a POW, which I do not find very relevent to being the PODUS.

[Tyler Durden]

[QUOTE=jetswin;2841324]I don't listen to Hannity unless there is a commercial on another station

Read this, I just found it today, and it further backups my views, to myself if no one else.
Just too many coincidences ...

[url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Do you also believe man never actually landed on the moon? Because that is how bat **** crazy that link is.

[jetswin]

[QUOTE=CTM;2841342]Actually, this is one is pretty much [B]crap[/B]:[/QUOTE]

yes...I agree he would bring that to the table. I know the style I presented that in wasn't very impressive, however still things that need to be considered, when evaluating the character of a man.