Conservatives

MnJetFan · 11-04-2008, 04:25 PM

It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:

Tyler Durden · 11-04-2008, 04:27 PM

If I was the leadership in the Republican party :rolleyes:

I would let Sarah Palin rot in Alaska and build your party around... Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal.

FF2® · 11-04-2008, 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=MnJetFan;2842070]It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:[/QUOTE]

Well if you start at the local level is 2 years going to be enough time?

parafly · 11-04-2008, 04:32 PM

Shift the power of the Republican party from the religious social conservatives back to the fiscal conservatives. That would be the party's best and most effective course of action.

jetstream23 · 11-04-2008, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;2842092]Shift the power of the Republican party from the religious social conservatives back to the fiscal conservatives. That would be the party's best and most effective course of action.[/QUOTE]

+ 1

Social moderates, fiscal conservatives!

freestater · 11-04-2008, 04:35 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE]

Legal pot and no taxes!!!!

bitonti · 11-04-2008, 04:37 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842074]If I was the leadership in the Republican party :rolleyes:

I would let Sarah Palin rot in Alaska and build your party around... Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal.[/QUOTE]

that's easy to say

but Palin basically made this race competitive

the evangelicals didn't really buy McCain

they weren't excited, they weren't volunteering

if Mccain grabs Lieberman or Ridge we are talking about sustained double digit poll gaps

the GOP has a very real problem, there is a huge scism between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, and I don't see any obvious way (short of the rapture) that this rift gets healed.

FF2® · 11-04-2008, 04:38 PM

[QUOTE=freestater;2842105]Legal pot and no taxes!!!![/QUOTE]

I knew sometime you and I could agree on SOMETHING!

But they'll tax the pot you KNOW that.

HessStation · 11-04-2008, 04:39 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE]

+2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FF2® · 11-04-2008, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE]

Winner winner chicken dinner!

parafly · 11-04-2008, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2842113]that's easy to say

but Palin basically made this race competitive

the evangelicals didn't really buy McCain

they weren't excited, they weren't volunteering

if Mccain grabs Lieberman or Ridge we are talking about sustained double digit poll gaps

the GOP has a very real problem, there is a huge scism between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, and I don't see any obvious way (short of the rapture) that this rift gets healed.[/QUOTE]

I disagree Bit.

The right would have come around for McCain regardless of his VP nominee. It's very easy for them to rally against a Muslim socialist terrorist.

The Palin pick lost McCain a ton of support from Independent and moderate voters. After the luster wore off and she was exposed for who she is, the campaign was doomed to fail.

JetsFan2012 · 11-04-2008, 04:53 PM

I wanted to pull some quotes out of this, but I realized the whole damn speech is quotable.

Barry Goldwater's address at the 1964 RNC. [B]REQUIRED READING[/B]:

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm[/url]

Tyler Durden · 11-04-2008, 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2842152]I wanted to pull some quotes out of this, but I realized the whole damn speech is quotable.

Barry Goldwater's address at the 1964 RNC. [B]REQUIRED READING[/B]:

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.

JetsFan2012 · 11-04-2008, 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842201]Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.[/QUOTE]

He's the father of the modern Conservative movement. Yes, he got trounced by LBJ, but that's [B]far [/B]from the whole story. The guy is an absolute icon, officially laying the groundwork for three decades of mainstream conservative politics, culminating with Reagan's election. And just so you're not confused, it has [B]nothing [/B]to do with Bush's brand of "conservatism".

I could go into the whole story but I'm leaving in about 10 mins and still have some things to finish up.

VincenzoTestaverde · 11-04-2008, 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=MnJetFan;2842070]It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:[/QUOTE]

When did conservatives not have control of the republican party? 1861?

Tyler Durden · 11-04-2008, 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2842218]He's the father of the modern Conservative movement. Yes, he got trounced by LBJ, but that's [B]far [/B]from the whole story. The guy is an absolute icon, officially laying the groundwork for three decades of mainstream conservative politics, culminating with Reagan's election. And just so you're not confused, it has [B]nothing [/B]to do with Bush's brand of "conservatism".

I could go into the whole story but I'm leaving in about 10 mins and still have some things to finish up.[/QUOTE]

Well I appreciate the quick synopsis.

49ersJetsfan · 11-04-2008, 05:43 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE]

also known as Libertarian.

49ersJetsfan · 11-04-2008, 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;2842130]I disagree Bit.

The right would have come around for McCain regardless of his VP nominee. It's very easy for them to rally against a Muslim socialist terrorist.

The Palin pick lost McCain a ton of support from Independent and moderate voters. After the luster wore off and she was exposed for who she is, the campaign was doomed to fail.[/QUOTE]

he should have put all of his efforts into convincing Bloomberg to be his running mate.

RutgersJetFan · 11-04-2008, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842201]Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.[/QUOTE]

He's America's Edmund Burke. Conscience of a Conservative is probably one of the top 5 American political writings ever published and certainly the most influential of the past 30+ years.

fukushimajin · 11-04-2008, 06:19 PM

The strength of the Republican party is the evangelicals, without them you have nothing. With them, you need something abnormal (like war,terrorism or crime) to get the fiscal conservatives / social liberals to stay home and therein lies the problem. You cannot be rid of the religious conservatives and have any chance at all -- frankly they may be able to do well without you guys. Also, I think your 2012 nominee is Huckabee.

11-04-2008, 04:25 PM	#1
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,312	Conservatives It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:

11-04-2008, 04:27 PM	#2
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	If I was the leadership in the Republican party :rolleyes: I would let Sarah Palin rot in Alaska and build your party around... Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal.

11-04-2008, 04:28 PM	#3
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,589	[QUOTE=MnJetFan;2842070]It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:[/QUOTE] Well if you start at the local level is 2 years going to be enough time?

11-04-2008, 04:32 PM	#4
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,315	Shift the power of the Republican party from the religious social conservatives back to the fiscal conservatives. That would be the party's best and most effective course of action.

11-04-2008, 04:34 PM	#5
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,711	[QUOTE=parafly;2842092]Shift the power of the Republican party from the religious social conservatives back to the fiscal conservatives. That would be the party's best and most effective course of action.[/QUOTE] + 1 Social moderates, fiscal conservatives!

11-04-2008, 04:35 PM	#6
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,525	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1 Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE] Legal pot and no taxes!!!!

11-04-2008, 04:37 PM	#7
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842074]If I was the leadership in the Republican party :rolleyes: I would let Sarah Palin rot in Alaska and build your party around... Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal.[/QUOTE] that's easy to say but Palin basically made this race competitive the evangelicals didn't really buy McCain they weren't excited, they weren't volunteering if Mccain grabs Lieberman or Ridge we are talking about sustained double digit poll gaps the GOP has a very real problem, there is a huge scism between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, and I don't see any obvious way (short of the rapture) that this rift gets healed.

11-04-2008, 04:38 PM	#8
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,589	[QUOTE=freestater;2842105]Legal pot and no taxes!!!![/QUOTE] I knew sometime you and I could agree on SOMETHING! But they'll tax the pot you KNOW that.

11-04-2008, 04:39 PM	#9
HessStation All Pro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,902	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1 Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE] +2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-04-2008, 04:41 PM	#10
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,589	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1 Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE] Winner winner chicken dinner!

11-04-2008, 04:42 PM	#11
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,315	[QUOTE=bitonti;2842113]that's easy to say but Palin basically made this race competitive the evangelicals didn't really buy McCain they weren't excited, they weren't volunteering if Mccain grabs Lieberman or Ridge we are talking about sustained double digit poll gaps the GOP has a very real problem, there is a huge scism between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, and I don't see any obvious way (short of the rapture) that this rift gets healed.[/QUOTE] I disagree Bit. The right would have come around for McCain regardless of his VP nominee. It's very easy for them to rally against a Muslim socialist terrorist. The Palin pick lost McCain a ton of support from Independent and moderate voters. After the luster wore off and she was exposed for who she is, the campaign was doomed to fail.

11-04-2008, 04:53 PM	#12
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	I wanted to pull some quotes out of this, but I realized the whole damn speech is quotable. Barry Goldwater's address at the 1964 RNC. [B]REQUIRED READING[/B]: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm[/url]

11-04-2008, 05:11 PM	#13
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=pauliec;2842152]I wanted to pull some quotes out of this, but I realized the whole damn speech is quotable. Barry Goldwater's address at the 1964 RNC. [B]REQUIRED READING[/B]: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.

11-04-2008, 05:17 PM	#14
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842201]Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.[/QUOTE] He's the father of the modern Conservative movement. Yes, he got trounced by LBJ, but that's [B]far [/B]from the whole story. The guy is an absolute icon, officially laying the groundwork for three decades of mainstream conservative politics, culminating with Reagan's election. And just so you're not confused, it has [B]nothing [/B]to do with Bush's brand of "conservatism". I could go into the whole story but I'm leaving in about 10 mins and still have some things to finish up.

11-04-2008, 05:19 PM	#15
VincenzoTestaverde laughing at the Pledge Against America Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 9,162	[QUOTE=MnJetFan;2842070]It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:[/QUOTE] When did conservatives not have control of the republican party? 1861?

11-04-2008, 05:21 PM	#16
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=pauliec;2842218]He's the father of the modern Conservative movement. Yes, he got trounced by LBJ, but that's [B]far [/B]from the whole story. The guy is an absolute icon, officially laying the groundwork for three decades of mainstream conservative politics, culminating with Reagan's election. And just so you're not confused, it has [B]nothing [/B]to do with Bush's brand of "conservatism". I could go into the whole story but I'm leaving in about 10 mins and still have some things to finish up.[/QUOTE] Well I appreciate the quick synopsis.

11-04-2008, 05:43 PM	#17
49ersJetsfan All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 5,836	[QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1 Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE] also known as Libertarian.

11-04-2008, 05:44 PM	#18
49ersJetsfan All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 5,836	[QUOTE=parafly;2842130]I disagree Bit. The right would have come around for McCain regardless of his VP nominee. It's very easy for them to rally against a Muslim socialist terrorist. The Palin pick lost McCain a ton of support from Independent and moderate voters. After the luster wore off and she was exposed for who she is, the campaign was doomed to fail.[/QUOTE] he should have put all of his efforts into convincing Bloomberg to be his running mate.

11-04-2008, 05:58 PM	#19
RutgersJetFan Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 29,953	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2842201]Didn't Goldwater get trounced by LBJ? What exactly is the history behind Goldwater? Why is he like the crown jewel for conservatives. Serious question.[/QUOTE] He's America's Edmund Burke. Conscience of a Conservative is probably one of the top 5 American political writings ever published and certainly the most influential of the past 30+ years.

11-04-2008, 06:19 PM	#20
fukushimajin All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,130	The strength of the Republican party is the evangelicals, without them you have nothing. With them, you need something abnormal (like war,terrorism or crime) to get the fiscal conservatives / social liberals to stay home and therein lies the problem. You cannot be rid of the religious conservatives and have any chance at all -- frankly they may be able to do well without you guys. Also, I think your 2012 nominee is Huckabee.