The Bush Years

[bman]

How will you guys remember the Bush Years? Here's how I will:

1)Starts presidency off by losing Popular Vote.
2)Worst terrorist attack in history happens on his watch after numerous warnings.
3) Fails to capture those responsible for 9/11
4) Instead, manufactures a BS war on Iraq which costs the US 300 Billion Dollars and countless lives.
5) Endless Scandles.
6) Abu Gharaib torture.
7) Alberto Gonzales, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney shoots friend in face.
8) katrina (You're doing a great job Brownie)
9) Worst economic collapse since great depression

WOW..I'm an independent who voted for Obama today because Mccain failed to target independents and middle of the road voters.

I hope the next 4 years are BORING compared to these last 8.

God Bless America

[bitonti]

but dude he gave money to Africa.

[sameoldjets]

wrong on 1. he won the popular vote, too. the problem was that the goreacle couldn't teach 25k florida people in duval couty how to properly mark their ballots.
qualifier on 2. the beginnings of that attack go all the way back to clinton and his dismantling of counter terrorist gorup in 1993. remember, the first wtc bombing was al queda and iraq was involved.
qualifier on 3. while barack thinks he can just step into a sovereign nation to capture people, bush didn't. it was important for the show that the pakistanis and afghanis capture bin laden. had the americans been given the green light, maybe it would have turned out differently but you really can't second guess what happens on the ground.

4. wrong. the policy of establishing a democratic state in the mideast is sound. you can fault the execution but they made a fairly rapid turnaround once they got the right people involved. how long did it take lincoln to find the right guy? how about roosevelt? and this is the key. moreover, congress voted overwhelmingly to give bush the green light based upon the intelligence at the time. i for one still think saddam was up to something with the wmd's. that they were not found is meaningless. the whole yellowcake affair with plame and wilson was true. saddam was trying to purchase yellowcake.
5. no more scandles than any other admin. reember mike espy? ron brown? how about franklin raines of fannae mae fame? he's on obama's staff!
6. you call that torture???? ever see what goes on in a us prison????

7. you got that one. gonzales was not quite as good as the media made him out to be.

8. you are ignoring the role of the federal government and the state government. it was up to the state to call in the feds not the feds to go blindly rushing in. blanco and nagin are the real culprits. i know first hand that we had got some ships down there asap. i was involved. these things don't move instantaneously you know. also how did they do with this recent storm???

9. the collapse was largely caused by the oversight of the congress. the sub prime loan market and securities derivatives were both accelerated under clinton. bush warned, correctly in 2003, that there was serious trouble at fannae. maccain warned in 2005. obama accepted the most amount of campaign money from fannae to do nothing.


[QUOTE=bman;2842156]How will you guys remember the Bush Years? Here's how I will:

1)Starts presidency off by losing Popular Vote.
2)Worst terrorist attack in history happens on his watch after numerous warnings.
3) Fails to capture those responsible for 9/11
4) Instead, manufactures a BS war on Iraq which costs the US 300 Billion Dollars and countless lives.
5) Endless Scandles.
6) Abu Gharaib torture.
7) Alberto Gonzales, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney shoots friend in face.
8) katrina (You're doing a great job Brownie)
9) Worst economic collapse since great depression

WOW..I'm an independent who voted for Obama today because Mccain failed to target independents and middle of the road voters.

I hope the next 4 years are BORING compared to these last 8.

God Bless America[/QUOTE]

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=bitonti;2842157]but dude he gave money to Africa.[/QUOTE]

:D:D:D:D:D

what about getting Charles Taylor out of Liberia...that was a big concern for me and Mrs. FF2®

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2842241]while barack thinks he can just step into a sovereign nation to capture people, bush didn't. [/QUOTE]

But Bush had no problem invading a country on made up "intelligence." :rolleyes:

[Jordy]

Crap. I thought this thread might be about 70's porn.

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2842241]you call that torture???? ever see what goes on in a us prison????[/QUOTE]

Do you like movies about gladiator?

Dude, even McCain was disgusted with it.

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2842241] i for one still think saddam was up to something with the wmd's. that they were not found is meaningless.[/QUOTE]

Too bad Bush is gone. You sound like Ambassador material.

"Attack France...I have a funny feeling!"

[CTjetfan52]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2842241]wrong on 1. he won the popular vote, too. the problem was that the goreacle couldn't teach 25k florida people in duval couty how to properly mark their ballots.
qualifier on 2. the beginnings of that attack go all the way back to clinton and his dismantling of counter terrorist gorup in 1993. remember, the first wtc bombing was al queda and iraq was involved.
qualifier on 3. while barack thinks he can just step into a sovereign nation to capture people, bush didn't. it was important for the show that the pakistanis and afghanis capture bin laden. had the americans been given the green light, maybe it would have turned out differently but you really can't second guess what happens on the ground.

4. wrong. the policy of establishing a democratic state in the mideast is sound. you can fault the execution but they made a fairly rapid turnaround once they got the right people involved. how long did it take lincoln to find the right guy? how about roosevelt? and this is the key. moreover, congress voted overwhelmingly to give bush the green light based upon the intelligence at the time. i for one still think saddam was up to something with the wmd's. that they were not found is meaningless. the whole yellowcake affair with plame and wilson was true. saddam was trying to purchase yellowcake.
5. no more scandles than any other admin. reember mike espy? ron brown? how about franklin raines of fannae mae fame? he's on obama's staff!
6. you call that torture???? ever see what goes on in a us prison????

7. you got that one. gonzales was not quite as good as the media made him out to be.

8. you are ignoring the role of the federal government and the state government. it was up to the state to call in the feds not the feds to go blindly rushing in. blanco and nagin are the real culprits. i know first hand that we had got some ships down there asap. i was involved. these things don't move instantaneously you know. also how did they do with this recent storm???

9. the collapse was largely caused by the oversight of the congress. the sub prime loan market and securities derivatives were both accelerated under clinton. bush warned, correctly in 2003, that there was serious trouble at fannae. maccain warned in 2005. obama accepted the most amount of campaign money from fannae to do nothing.[/QUOTE]

This is complete revisionist drivel spin. Nice try.

Just #8 alone is an egregious, at best, attempt on your part to support
what will be considered, by far, the worst presidency in the history of this
country. Ray Nagin pleaded, on live television for all to see, for help. It came very late.

The policy of establishing a democratic state in the mideast is sound???
You have absolutely got to be kidding.

Fail.

[VincenzoTestaverde]

[QUOTE=bman;2842156]How will you guys remember the Bush Years? Here's how I will:

1)Starts presidency off by losing Popular Vote.
2)Worst terrorist attack in history happens on his watch after numerous warnings.
3) Fails to capture those responsible for 9/11
4) Instead, manufactures a BS war on Iraq which costs the US 300 Billion Dollars and countless lives.
5) Endless Scandles.
6) Abu Gharaib torture.
7) Alberto Gonzales, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney shoots friend in face.
8) katrina (You're doing a great job Brownie)
9) Worst economic collapse since great depression

WOW..I'm an independent who voted for Obama today because Mccain failed to target independents and middle of the road voters.

I hope the next 4 years are BORING compared to these last 8.

God Bless America[/QUOTE]

Democrats have historically had an impossible time trying to get more than 50% of the vote. Only 3 Democrats have won more than 50% of the popular vote: FDR, Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter and they all had to have help of extraordinary circumstances.

I suppose the extraordinary circumstances in Obama's case was that George W. Bush's presidency was extraordinarily bad.

[fukushimajin]

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;2842241]wrong on 1. he won the popular vote, too. the problem was that the goreacle couldn't teach 25k florida people in duval couty how to properly mark their ballots.
qualifier on 2. the beginnings of that attack go all the way back to clinton and his dismantling of counter terrorist gorup in 1993. remember, the first wtc bombing was al queda and iraq was involved.
qualifier on 3. while barack thinks he can just step into a sovereign nation to capture people, bush didn't. it was important for the show that the pakistanis and afghanis capture bin laden. had the americans been given the green light, maybe it would have turned out differently but you really can't second guess what happens on the ground.

4. wrong. the policy of establishing a democratic state in the mideast is sound. you can fault the execution but they made a fairly rapid turnaround once they got the right people involved. how long did it take lincoln to find the right guy? how about roosevelt? and this is the key. moreover, congress voted overwhelmingly to give bush the green light based upon the intelligence at the time. i for one still think saddam was up to something with the wmd's. that they were not found is meaningless. the whole yellowcake affair with plame and wilson was true. saddam was trying to purchase yellowcake.
5. no more scandles than any other admin. reember mike espy? ron brown? how about franklin raines of fannae mae fame? he's on obama's staff!
6. you call that torture???? ever see what goes on in a us prison????

7. you got that one. gonzales was not quite as good as the media made him out to be.

8. you are ignoring the role of the federal government and the state government. it was up to the state to call in the feds not the feds to go blindly rushing in. blanco and nagin are the real culprits. i know first hand that we had got some ships down there asap. i was involved. these things don't move instantaneously you know. also how did they do with this recent storm???

9. the collapse was largely caused by the oversight of the congress. the sub prime loan market and securities derivatives were both accelerated under clinton. bush warned, correctly in 2003, that there was serious trouble at fannae. maccain warned in 2005. obama accepted the most amount of campaign money from fannae to do nothing.[/QUOTE]

Sleep this one off Jock-o: if Bush hadn't been such a complete failure Obama"s election wouldn't have been possible. Your support for Bush and the horrible things he believes made Obama the only alternative.

Thank you.

[Sharrow]

Just off the top of my head, you forgot the Harriet Miers debacle.

[Piper]

[QUOTE=bman;2842156]WOW..I'm an independent [/QUOTE]


When you lie like this, anything else you post is really laughable.

[Das Ken]

How he handled 9/11 should not be forgotten and apparently 90% of the country agreed at one point. What he chose to do with that political capital is unfortunate, but to completely cast aside his presidency is asinine.

[Jason423]

I think he will be remembered as someone who had a great deal of political capital that he flushed down the toilet with his insistence on going into Iraq and then not planning out a strategy past his real goal which was simply taking Saddam Hussein into custody. He will also be remembered as being the person in charge at probably the most politically divisive and unbending time in the last 30 years. That type of mentality began with Clinton and took off to a new level under Bush.

[E4orBust]

how about 7 years without another attack on our country? days following Sept 11, every time a train went under your feet or you heard thunder, you thought the worst was happening... not anymore... i hope we can continue to not live in the fear we lived in during that time...

[Timmy®]

Started unwinnable wars

Isolated the US from the rest of the world

Created Depression

Almost choked to death on a pretzel

Performed so horribly that he got a black man elected president.


A failure of epic dimension. I think most of us got suckered into thinking that the position of president wasn't as important as it really is. We have to be much more careful about putting low IQs into the White House.

[TKasper01]

[QUOTE=bman;2842156]How will you guys remember the Bush Years? Here's how I will:

1)Starts presidency off by losing Popular Vote.
[B]2)Worst terrorist attack in history happens on his watch after numerous warnings.[/B]
3) Fails to capture those responsible for 9/11
4) Instead, manufactures a BS war on Iraq which costs the US 300 Billion Dollars and countless lives.
5) Endless Scandles.
6) Abu Gharaib torture.
7) Alberto Gonzales, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney shoots friend in face.
8) katrina (You're doing a great job Brownie)
9) Worst economic collapse since great depression

WOW..I'm an independent who voted for Obama today because Mccain failed to target independents and middle of the road voters.

I hope the next 4 years are BORING compared to these last 8.

God Bless America[/QUOTE]

I stopped right here. Who pulled out when we had the "blackhawk down" incident It was Clinton. Who did not have the balls to order the drone to kill Bin laden in '96... Clinton. Get your **** straight..

[Timmy®]

[QUOTE=E4orBust;2843337]how about 7 years without another attack on our country? days following Sept 11, every time a train went under your feet or you heard thunder, you thought the worst was happening... not anymore... i hope we can continue to not live in the fear we lived in during that time...[/QUOTE]

Anybody can make a huge terrorist attack on this country at any time. It's not hard to rent a truck and buy fertilizer. Bridges or tunnels could go at any time. Some things just can't be stopped, although he and his team appeared to ignore a lot of warnings. I'm not giving him credit for stopping attacks just as I'm not hanging 9/11 on him either.

[SONNY WERBLIN]

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html[/url]

[QUOTE][B]The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace[/B]

Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.

APAccording to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.

[B]This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans.[/B] During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."

[B]Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from [U]both[/U] political parties.[/B]

The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.

It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.

[B]Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.[/B]

[B]Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."[/B][If Obama said this in a speech, it would make Keith Olberman cry tears of joy]

To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.

Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.

Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

[B]Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.[/B][/QUOTE]