Erik boland on Ratliff - Page 2

chesapeakejet · 01-20-2009, 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979304]They should be waiting him out and watching him to see how he develops. The dude had a good preseason, he didn't heal the sick or anything.

I'd rather see Clemens get a real shot.[/QUOTE]

Define "real shot"

Is starting 8 games a real shot??

Ray Ray19 · 01-20-2009, 08:03 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE]

He got hurt, and so did his starting WR's when he played, nevermind the fact he had no protection from his OL.

STFU, you know nothing.

Chica me Tipo · 01-20-2009, 08:04 AM

[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979405]Define "real shot"
[B]
Is starting 8 games a real shot?[/B]?[/QUOTE]

Only for the Jets is 8 starts behind a non-existent O-line, injured WRs, and no running game considered a real shot.

Otherwise, no. Thats far from a legit shot, and he still managed to be the QB in 3 of our 4 wins.

chesapeakejet · 01-20-2009, 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE]

You are almost correct sir! He did suck!

8 games

5 TD's and 10 picks and a rating of 60.9%.

And if anyone trys to use wins/losses as an arguement, that's the most assinine statement considering this is the ultimate team sport. Don't you agree?

Kellen Clemens = Patrick Ramsey in my book.

chesapeakejet · 01-20-2009, 08:06 AM

[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979409]Only for the Jets is 8 starts behind a non-existent O-line, injured WRs, and no running game considered a real shot.

Otherwise, no. Thats far from a legit shot, and he still managed to be the QB in [B]3 of our 4 wins[/B].[/QUOTE]

That's irrelevant when evaluating an individual's talent in the ultimate team sport.

PatsFanTX · 01-20-2009, 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;2979406]He got hurt, and so did his starting WR's when he played, nevermind the fact he had no protection from his OL.

STFU, you know nothing.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you have more friggn' excuses than Carter has liver pills.

Clemens sucks as a NFL QB.

PatsFanTX · 01-20-2009, 08:15 AM

[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979411]You are almost correct sir! He did suck!

8 games

5 TD's and 10 picks and a rating of 60.9%.

And if anyone trys to use wins/losses as an arguement, that's the most assinine statement considering this is the ultimate team sport. Don't you agree?

[B]Kellen Clemens = Patrick Ramsey in my book[/B].[/QUOTE]

Patrick Ramsey > Kellen Clemens (that was for Fish)

Jets need to find out what they have in Ratliff or Ainge. :yes:

Chica me Tipo · 01-20-2009, 08:22 AM

[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979413]That's irrelevant when evaluating an individual's talent in the ultimate team sport.[/QUOTE]

As much as I'd love for that to be news to me, I know that.

Judging a young QB by his first 8 starts stats with no O-line, running game, or receivers doesn't strike me as rational.

Fact: The Jets offense played better with Clemens than they did with Chad in '07.

Fact: Clemens is young.

Fact: Clemens is talented.

Fact: He's been in the system for 3 years.

I can keep going...8 games doesn't mean crap to me.

Ray Ray19 · 01-20-2009, 08:22 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979421]Dude, you have more friggn' excuses than Carter has liver pills.

Clemens sucks as a NFL QB.[/QUOTE]

So did Cassell for his first 4 years.

jetswin · 01-20-2009, 08:26 AM

[quote=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/quote]
I could not have said it better.

Chica me Tipo · 01-20-2009, 08:29 AM

Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career?

I'm sure teams are looking for expert scouts out there. Hit 'em up.

jetswin · 01-20-2009, 08:34 AM

[quote=Chica me Tipo;2979436]Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career?

I'm sure teams are looking for expert scouts out there. Hit 'em up.[/quote]
avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me

The Crusher · 01-20-2009, 08:37 AM

[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979338]Word. I think Clemens would beat Ratliff in an open competition.[/QUOTE]

Why? He averaged a pick a day in training camp last year and was about to sit behind Pennington again? I say bring in a veteran and let the four of them fight it out.

Rex has no reason to want anything to do with Clemens, no loyalty their, he may not even be on the final roster. If he starts throwing picks in training camp like he did last year he will be gone.

The Crusher · 01-20-2009, 08:39 AM

[QUOTE=jetswin;2979438]avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me[/QUOTE]

Damn I took a minute to write my post when all I needed was a +1.

djaparz · 01-20-2009, 08:41 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE]

Agreed - Clemens had his shot, even with a so-so line he didn't prove anything to me.

PatsFanTX · 01-20-2009, 08:43 AM

[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979436]

Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career?

[/QUOTE]

Matt Schaub got a $15 million contract starting 4 games in the NFL.

Clemens sucks.

PatsFanTX · 01-20-2009, 08:44 AM

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;2979431]So did Cassell for his first 4 years.[/QUOTE]

You are a complete moron.

Learn something about the game of football.

PatsFanTX · 01-20-2009, 08:45 AM

[QUOTE=jetswin;2979438]avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me[/QUOTE]

Outstanding summary.

Johnny Bravo · 01-20-2009, 08:46 AM

Like it or not, Clemens will get another shot.

RaoulDuke · 01-20-2009, 08:47 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979424]
Jets need to find out what they have in Ratliff or Ainge. :yes:[/QUOTE]

+1

Ratliff, Ainge, Clemens shootout in TC. Best man gets the job.

Oh...and euthanize Favre.

01-20-2009, 08:02 AM	#21
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,503	[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979304]They should be waiting him out and watching him to see how he develops. The dude had a good preseason, he didn't heal the sick or anything. I'd rather see Clemens get a real shot.[/QUOTE] Define "real shot" Is starting 8 games a real shot??

01-20-2009, 08:03 AM	#22
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,810	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE] He got hurt, and so did his starting WR's when he played, nevermind the fact he had no protection from his OL. STFU, you know nothing.

01-20-2009, 08:04 AM	#23
Chica me Tipo endorsing Braylon Edwards. Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,826	[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979405]Define "real shot" [B] Is starting 8 games a real shot?[/B]?[/QUOTE] Only for the Jets is 8 starts behind a non-existent O-line, injured WRs, and no running game considered a real shot. Otherwise, no. Thats far from a legit shot, and he still managed to be the QB in 3 of our 4 wins.

01-20-2009, 08:05 AM	#24
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,503	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE] You are almost correct sir! He did suck! 8 games 5 TD's and 10 picks and a rating of 60.9%. And if anyone trys to use wins/losses as an arguement, that's the most assinine statement considering this is the ultimate team sport. Don't you agree? Kellen Clemens = Patrick Ramsey in my book.

01-20-2009, 08:06 AM	#25
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,503	[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979409]Only for the Jets is 8 starts behind a non-existent O-line, injured WRs, and no running game considered a real shot. Otherwise, no. Thats far from a legit shot, and he still managed to be the QB in [B]3 of our 4 wins[/B].[/QUOTE] That's irrelevant when evaluating an individual's talent in the ultimate team sport.

01-20-2009, 08:13 AM	#26
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;2979406]He got hurt, and so did his starting WR's when he played, nevermind the fact he had no protection from his OL. STFU, you know nothing.[/QUOTE] Dude, you have more friggn' excuses than Carter has liver pills. Clemens sucks as a NFL QB.

01-20-2009, 08:15 AM	#27
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979411]You are almost correct sir! He did suck! 8 games 5 TD's and 10 picks and a rating of 60.9%. And if anyone trys to use wins/losses as an arguement, that's the most assinine statement considering this is the ultimate team sport. Don't you agree? [B]Kellen Clemens = Patrick Ramsey in my book[/B].[/QUOTE] Patrick Ramsey > Kellen Clemens (that was for Fish) Jets need to find out what they have in Ratliff or Ainge. :yes:

01-20-2009, 08:22 AM	#28
Chica me Tipo endorsing Braylon Edwards. Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,826	[QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2979413]That's irrelevant when evaluating an individual's talent in the ultimate team sport.[/QUOTE] As much as I'd love for that to be news to me, I know that. Judging a young QB by his first 8 starts stats with no O-line, running game, or receivers doesn't strike me as rational. Fact: The Jets offense played better with Clemens than they did with Chad in '07. Fact: Clemens is young. Fact: Clemens is talented. Fact: He's been in the system for 3 years. I can keep going...8 games doesn't mean crap to me.

01-20-2009, 08:26 AM	#30
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,461	[quote=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/quote] I could not have said it better.

01-20-2009, 08:29 AM	#31
Chica me Tipo endorsing Braylon Edwards. Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,826	Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career? I'm sure teams are looking for expert scouts out there. Hit 'em up.

01-20-2009, 08:34 AM	#32
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,461	[quote=Chica me Tipo;2979436]Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career? I'm sure teams are looking for expert scouts out there. Hit 'em up.[/quote] avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me

01-20-2009, 08:37 AM	#33
The Crusher wearing american flag shirt right now All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fairfax Va Posts: 7,842	[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979338]Word. I think Clemens would beat Ratliff in an open competition.[/QUOTE] Why? He averaged a pick a day in training camp last year and was about to sit behind Pennington again? I say bring in a veteran and let the four of them fight it out. Rex has no reason to want anything to do with Clemens, no loyalty their, he may not even be on the final roster. If he starts throwing picks in training camp like he did last year he will be gone.

01-20-2009, 08:39 AM	#34
The Crusher wearing american flag shirt right now All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fairfax Va Posts: 7,842	[QUOTE=jetswin;2979438]avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me[/QUOTE] Damn I took a minute to write my post when all I needed was a +1.

01-20-2009, 08:41 AM	#35
djaparz All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Staten Island Posts: 9,385	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979400]Clemens got his shot when he started 7 games and absolutely sucked.[/QUOTE] Agreed - Clemens had his shot, even with a so-so line he didn't prove anything to me.

01-20-2009, 08:43 AM	#36
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;2979436] Seriously...7 starts is enough for you guys to evaluate Clemens' whole pro career? [/QUOTE] Matt Schaub got a $15 million contract starting 4 games in the NFL. Clemens sucks.

01-20-2009, 08:44 AM	#37
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;2979431]So did Cassell for his first 4 years.[/QUOTE] You are a complete moron. Learn something about the game of football.

01-20-2009, 08:45 AM	#38
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=jetswin;2979438]avarage arm, happy feet, slow decision making, smallish, interception prone...that's enough for me[/QUOTE] Outstanding summary.

01-20-2009, 08:46 AM	#39
Johnny Bravo SNUBBED! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,693	Like it or not, Clemens will get another shot.

01-20-2009, 08:47 AM	#40
RaoulDuke Son of Ham Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 11,869	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2979424] Jets need to find out what they have in Ratliff or Ainge. :yes:[/QUOTE] +1 Ratliff, Ainge, Clemens shootout in TC. Best man gets the job. Oh...and euthanize Favre.