#3 FA QB according to WalterFootball - Page 2

sect313 · 03-10-2009, 10:08 AM

watch out. its going to be the year of the rat. we have found our QB

John_0515 · 03-10-2009, 10:09 AM

[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;3040915]^^^ Yea, I was like wtf.

I guess thats nice praise though.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's nice praise, but pretty stupid.

crasherino · 03-10-2009, 10:09 AM

[QUOTE=tedtedthefootballhead;3040699]How come Ratliff is not listed as a FA (as all our other FA's are) on Warfish's '2009 jets player movement' sticky?[/QUOTE]

Ratliff was an Exclusive Rights Free Agent, which basically means the Jets can give him whatever contract they want and he has no choice whether to accept it.

Putting him on a list of "FA QBs" is not really accurate at all considering there was no chance that the Jets would decline to offer him a contract. Depending on the CBA, he will be a FA at the end of this two year contract.

John_0515 · 03-10-2009, 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=crasherino;3041216]Ratliff was an Exclusive Rights Free Agent, which basically means the Jets can give him whatever contract they want and he has no choice whether to accept it.

Putting him on a list of "FA QBs" is not really accurate at all considering there was no chance that the Jets would decline to offer him a contract. Depending on the CBA, he will be a FA at the end of this two year contract.[/QUOTE]

it's just a hype thing. that writer is jumping on the bandwagon. The guy has never thrown a pass in the NFL and he's ranked on the top list of FAs.

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:30 AM

[quote=John_0515;3041223]it's just a hype thing. that writer is jumping on the bandwagon. The guy has never thrown a pass in the NFL and he's ranked on the top list of FAs.[/quote]

Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him.

Just sayin.

crasherino · 03-10-2009, 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him.

Just sayin.[/QUOTE]

I think he's saying that with respect to why was he put on that list in the first place when he's not actually available.

PatsFanTX · 03-10-2009, 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. [B][U]I'm sure Ham[/U][/B] can vouch for him.

Just sayin.[/QUOTE]

Was Walter Cherepinsky high on Mike Williams and Matt Jones as well?

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:33 AM

[quote=crasherino;3041256]I think he's saying that with respect to why was he put on that list in the first place when he's not actually available.[/quote]

I don't think so crash. Read his post again.

John_0515 · 03-10-2009, 10:35 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him.

Just sayin.[/QUOTE]

It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear.

In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.

PatsFanTX · 03-10-2009, 10:37 AM

[QUOTE=John_0515;3041263]It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear.

In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.[/QUOTE]

Knock it off, you are going to ruin the thread by using common sense.

dassin · 03-10-2009, 10:40 AM

The new Walter Football mock draft posted today has us taking Chris "Beanie" Wells in the first and Louis Murphy in the second.

If Leon is going to get more touches why would we take a RB in the first? Andre Brown in the third makes much more sense.

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:42 AM

[quote=John_0515;3041263]It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear.

In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.[/quote]

Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living who have never thrown a pass in the NFL. :rolleyes:

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:43 AM

[quote=dassassin;3041272]The new Walter Football mock draft posted today has us taking Chris "Beanie" Wells in the first and Louis Murphy in the second.

If Leon is going to get more touches why would we take a RB in the first? Andre Brown in the third makes much more sense.[/quote]

I'm thinking BPA maybe. Wells and Moreno are intriguing. Thomas Jones won't be around forever.

PatsFanTX · 03-10-2009, 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041274]Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living [B]who have never thrown a pass in the NFL[/B]. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

And what exactly does he "evaluate" them on?

The way they stand on the practice field? :rolleyes:

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:46 AM

[quote=PatsFanTX;3041276]And what exactly does he "evaluate" them on?

The way they stand on the practice field? :rolleyes:[/quote]

That can't be a serious question TX. Can it? Really?

I thought you were better than that.

PatsFanTX · 03-10-2009, 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041277]That can't be a serious question TX. Can it? Really?

I thought you were better than that.[/QUOTE]

Come on Jordy, did you have kool aid instead of coffee this morning?

The ony way you can evaluate NFL players correctly is by watching what the do in [B]real games[/B] against [B]real defenses[/B].

What they do in training camp, practices and pre-season games is absolutely meaningless.

Come on, you are too smart to fall for this fodder.

John_0515 · 03-10-2009, 10:58 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041274]Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living who have never thrown a pass in the NFL. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

And this is why he has a job with an NFL franchise as a talent scout?

Ratliff has never thrown a pass in the NFL. He's not good yet. Not even close. If he becomes a good QB, great, I'll be his biggest fan. Clemens is not good either, but at least he's played a little, albeit poorly. What did "Walter" say about Ryan Leaf, or Vernon Gholston for that matter? Talent means nothing if it isn't used properly in the NFL, and Ratliff's is still in question until he throws a TD pass against a first string defense under real game situations. Clemens couldn't succeed, but he was put in the worst situation possible. Brees sucked in the beginning. So did Aikman. Flacco struggled when he first started and learned quickly. He had a line, a running game, a few good receivers, and a great defense.

You want to believe Walter, but when people say "Clemens is the starter by a mile" you discredit that person immediately. Just like above you stated to the other poster "why do you discredit him, because you don't agree with what he says?" I list reasons WHY Ratliff isn't my choice. I've done so from the beginning. Most people who support Ratliff say things like "I watch football", or "the front office likes him".

Being realistic trumps fantasyland anyday.

Does Gholston stink? YES
Does Clemens stink? YES
Did Sutton stink? YES
Is Ratliff a good NFL QB? NO

Can they all change their status? YES

Realistically, who has the best chance of succeeding between Ratliff and Clemens THIS YEAR? Clemens. I want both QBs to get equal time in training camp, but believing that Ratliff will succeed above Clemens is silly, and has a very low chance of happening.

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:58 AM

[quote=PatsFanTX;3041279]Come on Jordy, did you have kool aid instead of coffee this morning?

The ony way you can evaluate NFL players correctly is by watching what the do in [B]real games[/B] against [B]real defenses[/B].

What they do in training camp, practices and pre-season games is absolutely meaningless.

Come on, you are too smart to fall for this fodder.[/quote]

I don't know TX. How does he evaluate all those college players who have never taken a snap in the NFL or even a pre-season game for that matter?

What's the big deal anyway. Ranking Ratliff above Kerry Collins is not earth shattering. Collins is a very average NFL QB.

Jordy · 03-10-2009, 10:59 AM

[quote=John_0515;3041292]And this is why he has a job with an NFL franchise as a talent scout?

Ratliff has never thrown a pass in the NFL. He's not good yet. Not even close. If he becomes a good QB, great, I'll be his biggest fan. Clemens is not good either, but at least he's played a little, albeit poorly. What did "Walter" say about Ryan Leaf, or Vernon Gholston for that matter? Talent means nothing if it isn't used properly in the NFL, and Ratliff's is still in question until he throws a TD pass against a first string defense under real game situations. Clemens couldn't succeed, but he was put in the worst situation possible. Brees sucked in the beginning. So did Aikman. Flacco struggled when he first started and learned quickly. He had a line, a running game, a few good receivers, and a great defense.

You want to believe Walter, but when people say "Clemens is the starter by a mile" you discredit that person immediately. Just like above you stated to the other poster "why do you discredit him, because you don't agree with what he says?" I list reasons WHY Ratliff isn't my choice. I've done so from the beginning. Most people who support Ratliff say things like "I watch football", or "the front office likes him".

Being realistic trumps fantasyland anyday.

Does Gholston stink? YES
Does Clemens stink? YES
Did Sutton stink? YES
Is Ratliff a good NFL QB? NO

Can they all change their status? YES

Realistically, who has the best chance of succeeding between Ratliff and Clemens THIS YEAR? Clemens. I want both QBs to get equal time in training camp, but believing that Ratliff will succeed above Clemens is silly, and has a very low chance of happening.[/quote]

John, you get way too worked up over Brett Ratliff.

John_0515 · 03-10-2009, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;3041295]John, you get way too worked up over Brett Ratliff.[/QUOTE]

If you knew me, I'm not a bad guy, I just get worked up easily about stupid things. I've been on airplanes that have exploded in midair and not skipped a beat, but someone will steal my french fry and I'll cut his finger off.

I love you too.

03-10-2009, 10:08 AM	#21
sect313 Numb All League Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,622	watch out. its going to be the year of the rat. we have found our QB

03-10-2009, 10:09 AM	#22
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Chica me Tipo;3040915]^^^ Yea, I was like wtf. I guess thats nice praise though.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's nice praise, but pretty stupid.

03-10-2009, 10:09 AM	#23
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,826	[QUOTE=tedtedthefootballhead;3040699]How come Ratliff is not listed as a FA (as all our other FA's are) on Warfish's '2009 jets player movement' sticky?[/QUOTE] Ratliff was an Exclusive Rights Free Agent, which basically means the Jets can give him whatever contract they want and he has no choice whether to accept it. Putting him on a list of "FA QBs" is not really accurate at all considering there was no chance that the Jets would decline to offer him a contract. Depending on the CBA, he will be a FA at the end of this two year contract.

03-10-2009, 10:14 AM	#24
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=crasherino;3041216]Ratliff was an Exclusive Rights Free Agent, which basically means the Jets can give him whatever contract they want and he has no choice whether to accept it. Putting him on a list of "FA QBs" is not really accurate at all considering there was no chance that the Jets would decline to offer him a contract. Depending on the CBA, he will be a FA at the end of this two year contract.[/QUOTE] it's just a hype thing. that writer is jumping on the bandwagon. The guy has never thrown a pass in the NFL and he's ranked on the top list of FAs.

03-10-2009, 10:30 AM	#25
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=John_0515;3041223]it's just a hype thing. that writer is jumping on the bandwagon. The guy has never thrown a pass in the NFL and he's ranked on the top list of FAs.[/quote] Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him. Just sayin.

03-10-2009, 10:32 AM	#26
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,826	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] I think he's saying that with respect to why was he put on that list in the first place when he's not actually available.

03-10-2009, 10:32 AM	#27
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. [B][U]I'm sure Ham[/U][/B] can vouch for him. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] Was Walter Cherepinsky high on Mike Williams and Matt Jones as well?

03-10-2009, 10:33 AM	#28
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=crasherino;3041256]I think he's saying that with respect to why was he put on that list in the first place when he's not actually available.[/quote] I don't think so crash. Read his post again.

03-10-2009, 10:35 AM	#29
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041251]Walter Cherepinsky is not a Jet fan and he's very well respected for his talent evaluations. I'm sure Ham can vouch for him. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear. In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.

03-10-2009, 10:37 AM	#30
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=John_0515;3041263]It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear. In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.[/QUOTE] Knock it off, you are going to ruin the thread by using common sense.

03-10-2009, 10:40 AM	#31
dassin All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,001	The new Walter Football mock draft posted today has us taking Chris "Beanie" Wells in the first and Louis Murphy in the second. If Leon is going to get more touches why would we take a RB in the first? Andre Brown in the third makes much more sense.

03-10-2009, 10:42 AM	#32
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=John_0515;3041263]It's easy to agree with a writer, when he writes what you want to hear. In this instance Jordy, I can't agree with someone who puts an undrafted player who's never thrown a ball in the regular season, or against a first string defense in a game situation, with a list of people who have accomplished many things in the NFL. If you want to agree with that, you're welcomed to, but for me it makes absolutely zero sense, and I can't take it seriously. It's bandwagon hype IMO.[/quote] Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living who have never thrown a pass in the NFL. :rolleyes:

03-10-2009, 10:43 AM	#33
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=dassassin;3041272]The new Walter Football mock draft posted today has us taking Chris "Beanie" Wells in the first and Louis Murphy in the second. If Leon is going to get more touches why would we take a RB in the first? Andre Brown in the third makes much more sense.[/quote] I'm thinking BPA maybe. Wells and Moreno are intriguing. Thomas Jones won't be around forever.

03-10-2009, 10:44 AM	#34
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041274]Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living [B]who have never thrown a pass in the NFL[/B]. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] And what exactly does he "evaluate" them on? The way they stand on the practice field? :rolleyes:

03-10-2009, 10:46 AM	#35
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=PatsFanTX;3041276]And what exactly does he "evaluate" them on? The way they stand on the practice field? :rolleyes:[/quote] That can't be a serious question TX. Can it? Really? I thought you were better than that.

03-10-2009, 10:49 AM	#36
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041277]That can't be a serious question TX. Can it? Really? I thought you were better than that.[/QUOTE] Come on Jordy, did you have kool aid instead of coffee this morning? The ony way you can evaluate NFL players correctly is by watching what the do in [B]real games[/B] against [B]real defenses[/B]. What they do in training camp, practices and pre-season games is absolutely meaningless. Come on, you are too smart to fall for this fodder.

03-10-2009, 10:58 AM	#37
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041274]Yeah except that Walter Cherepinsky evaluates players every day for a living who have never thrown a pass in the NFL. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] And this is why he has a job with an NFL franchise as a talent scout? Ratliff has never thrown a pass in the NFL. He's not good yet. Not even close. If he becomes a good QB, great, I'll be his biggest fan. Clemens is not good either, but at least he's played a little, albeit poorly. What did "Walter" say about Ryan Leaf, or Vernon Gholston for that matter? Talent means nothing if it isn't used properly in the NFL, and Ratliff's is still in question until he throws a TD pass against a first string defense under real game situations. Clemens couldn't succeed, but he was put in the worst situation possible. Brees sucked in the beginning. So did Aikman. Flacco struggled when he first started and learned quickly. He had a line, a running game, a few good receivers, and a great defense. You want to believe Walter, but when people say "Clemens is the starter by a mile" you discredit that person immediately. Just like above you stated to the other poster "why do you discredit him, because you don't agree with what he says?" I list reasons WHY Ratliff isn't my choice. I've done so from the beginning. Most people who support Ratliff say things like "I watch football", or "the front office likes him". Being realistic trumps fantasyland anyday. Does Gholston stink? YES Does Clemens stink? YES Did Sutton stink? YES Is Ratliff a good NFL QB? NO Can they all change their status? YES Realistically, who has the best chance of succeeding between Ratliff and Clemens THIS YEAR? Clemens. I want both QBs to get equal time in training camp, but believing that Ratliff will succeed above Clemens is silly, and has a very low chance of happening.

03-10-2009, 10:59 AM	#39
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[quote=John_0515;3041292]And this is why he has a job with an NFL franchise as a talent scout? Ratliff has never thrown a pass in the NFL. He's not good yet. Not even close. If he becomes a good QB, great, I'll be his biggest fan. Clemens is not good either, but at least he's played a little, albeit poorly. What did "Walter" say about Ryan Leaf, or Vernon Gholston for that matter? Talent means nothing if it isn't used properly in the NFL, and Ratliff's is still in question until he throws a TD pass against a first string defense under real game situations. Clemens couldn't succeed, but he was put in the worst situation possible. Brees sucked in the beginning. So did Aikman. Flacco struggled when he first started and learned quickly. He had a line, a running game, a few good receivers, and a great defense. You want to believe Walter, but when people say "Clemens is the starter by a mile" you discredit that person immediately. Just like above you stated to the other poster "why do you discredit him, because you don't agree with what he says?" I list reasons WHY Ratliff isn't my choice. I've done so from the beginning. Most people who support Ratliff say things like "I watch football", or "the front office likes him". Being realistic trumps fantasyland anyday. Does Gholston stink? YES Does Clemens stink? YES Did Sutton stink? YES Is Ratliff a good NFL QB? NO Can they all change their status? YES Realistically, who has the best chance of succeeding between Ratliff and Clemens THIS YEAR? Clemens. I want both QBs to get equal time in training camp, but believing that Ratliff will succeed above Clemens is silly, and has a very low chance of happening.[/quote] John, you get way too worked up over Brett Ratliff.

03-10-2009, 11:02 AM	#40
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Jordy;3041295]John, you get way too worked up over Brett Ratliff.[/QUOTE] If you knew me, I'm not a bad guy, I just get worked up easily about stupid things. I've been on airplanes that have exploded in midair and not skipped a beat, but someone will steal my french fry and I'll cut his finger off. I love you too.