Where does the AFC East rank in overall talent?

DefenseWinsChampionships2 · 12-16-2009, 05:16 PM

Can any NFL Division match the overall talent of the AFC East? My first guess would be the AFC South. My AFC East team may not be the best around, it would be interesting if other posters put together an AFC East team also.

What the hell? It's Wednesday, nothing really going on as of right now in the sports world. Keep in mind, players such as Leon and Jenkins cant make the teams, because their out for the season.

QB- Tom Brady
QB- Chad Henne
QB- Mark Sanchez

RB- Thomas Jones
RB- Ricky Williams
RB- Fred Jackson

FB- Tony Richardson

WR- Randy Moss
WR- Braylon Edwards
WR- Wes Welker
WR- Terrell Owens
WR- Jerricho Cotchery

TE- Dustin Keller
TE- Anthony Fasano

LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LT- Jake Long

LG- Logan Mankins
LG- Alan Faneca

C- Nick Mangold
C- Dan Koppen

RG- Stephen Neal
RG- Brandon Moore

RT- Nick Kaczur
RT- Sebastian Vollmer

RDE- Aaron Schobel
RDE- Jarvis Green

3-4 NT: Vince Wilfork
3-4 NT: Marcus Stroud

LDE- Shaun Ellis
LDE- Ty Warren

ROLB- Calvin Pace
ROLB- Jason Taylor

IMLB- David Harris
IMLB- Jerod Mayo

LOLB- Joey Porter
LOLB- Bryan Thomas

CB- Darrelle Revis
CB- Jairus Byrd
CB- Lito Sheppard
CB- Vontae Davis
CB- Leodis McKelvin

SS- Yeremiah Bell
SS- Brandon Meriweather

FS- Kerry Rhodes
FS- Donte Whitner

KR- Ted Ginn Jr

PR- R. Parrish

K- Jay Feely
P- Brian Moorman.

Players on IR:
Kris Jenkins
Ronnie Brown
Leon Washington

Jets: 18 players
Patriots: 12 players
Dolphins: 9 players
Bills: 9 players

JamaicanJetFan · 12-16-2009, 05:24 PM

Byrd plays safety and is not as good as his pick count indicates. You have too many Jets on the list.

AFC South and NFC East would probably win this little competition.

CTJetFan92 · 12-16-2009, 05:24 PM

I would bet they're in the top 8, at least

DefenseWinsChampionships2 · 12-16-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JamaicanJetFan

Byrd plays safety and is not as good as his pick count indicates. You have too many Jets on the list.

AFC South and NFC East would probably win this little competition.

For some reason, I keep thinking Bryd's a CB and trust me... You try making a list of AFC East players, and watch how many Jets pop up.

As of right now, I feel Jerricho Cotchery is a better talent than an aging Terrell Owens and an overrated Ginn Jr.

Honestly, this Jets team could be the most talented AFC team in the AFC East, it's just the simple fact the Patriots have a future HOF QB running the show, we have a rookie.

As far as the CB position goes... Revis is in a league of his own, but other than that...There is no way Lito Sheppard doesn't make the top 5 with the AFC East CB's in the league right now.

CW_McGraw · 12-16-2009, 05:33 PM

My All AFC East Team would look like this.

QB: Tom Brady

HB: Thomas Jones
HB: Ricky Willliams

FB: Lousaka Polite (Best FB in the league BY FAR. 12/12 on 3rd/4th and short and a nasty blocker.)

WR: Randy Moss
WR: Wes Welker
WR: Terrell Owens

TE: Dustin Keller (This is a pretty bad division for TEs)

LT: Jake Long
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Stephen Neal
RT: Vernon Carey

RE: Randy Starks
NT: Vince Wilfork
LE: Shaun Ellis

ROLB: Joey Porter
ILB: David Harris
ILB: Jerod Mayo
LOLB: Calvin Pace

CB: Revis Christ
CB: Vontae Davis
CB: Leigh Bodden

FS: Jarius Byrd
SS: Brandon Meriweather

The D-line looks awesome. Starks has played like a Pro Bowler, while Ellis is one of the elite pass rushers at 3-4 DE. Wilfork is a wall. Other than Revis, the CBs are average, though mah boi Vontae Davis has had his moments.

JamaicanJetFan · 12-16-2009, 05:35 PM

Good list McGraw, but again, Byrd has NOT been THAT good.

CW_McGraw · 12-16-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JamaicanJetFan

Good list McGraw, but again, Byrd has NOT been THAT good.

Yeah, but when you're competing against a scrub like Gibril Wilson and a diva like Kerry Rhodes, you don't need to be that good. Byrd has been the brightspot on a bad team. And besides, we gotta throw Bills fans a bone every now and again, right?

Vinny Patrollie · 12-16-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CW_McGraw

My All AFC East Team would look like this.

QB: Tom Brady

HB: Thomas Jones
HB: Ricky Willliams

FB: Lousaka Polite (Best FB in the league BY FAR. 12/12 on 3rd/4th and short and a nasty blocker.)

WR: Randy Moss
WR: Wes Welker
WR: Terrell Owens

TE: Dustin Keller (This is a pretty bad division for TEs)

LT: Jake Long
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Stephen Neal
RT: Vernon Carey

RE: Randy Starks
NT: Vince Wilfork
LE: Shaun Ellis

ROLB: Joey Porter
ILB: David Harris
ILB: Jerod Mayo
LOLB: Calvin Pace

CB: Revis Christ
CB: Vontae Davis
CB: Leigh Bodden

FS: Jarius Byrd
SS: Brandon Meriweather

The D-line looks awesome. Starks has played like a Pro Bowler, while Ellis is one of the elite pass rushers at 3-4 DE. Wilfork is a wall. Other than Revis, the CBs are average, though mah boi Vontae Davis has had his moments.

Gotta admit, that sounds like one helluva team.

PatsFanTX · 12-16-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CW_McGraw

My All AFC East Team would look like this.

QB: Tom Brady

HB: Thomas Jones
HB: Ricky Willliams

FB: Lousaka Polite (Best FB in the league BY FAR. 12/12 on 3rd/4th and short and a nasty blocker.)

WR: Randy Moss
WR: Wes Welker
WR: Terrell Owens

TE: Dustin Keller (This is a pretty bad division for TEs)

LT: Jake Long
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Stephen Neal
RT: Vernon Carey

RE: Randy Starks
NT: Vince Wilfork
LE: Shaun Ellis

ROLB: Joey Porter
ILB: David Harris
ILB: Jerod Mayo
LOLB: Calvin Pace

CB: Revis Christ
CB: Vontae Davis
CB: Leigh Bodden

FS: Jarius Byrd
SS: Brandon Meriweather

The D-line looks awesome. Starks has played like a Pro Bowler, while Ellis is one of the elite pass rushers at 3-4 DE. Wilfork is a wall. Other than Revis, the CBs are average, though mah boi Vontae Davis has had his moments.

That's a very good, objective, non-biased list.

Nicely done.

DefenseWinsChampionships2 · 12-16-2009, 05:54 PM

If I'm coming out with just starters, and not a whole roster, I would have to go...

QB- Brady

RB- Thomas Jones
RB- Ricky Williams

FB- Tony Richardson (He's still the best run blocking FB in the AFC East)

WR- Randy Moss
WR- Braylon Edwards
Slot- Wes Welker

TE- Dustin Keller
TE- Anthony Fasano (Really strong run blocker)

LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG- Logan Mankins
C- Nick Mangold
RG- Stephen Neal
RT- Jake Long

RDE- Ty Warren
3-4 NT- Vince Wilfork
LDE- Shaun Ellis

ROLB- Calvin Pace
IMLB- Davis Harris
IMLB- Jerod Mayo
LOLB- Joey Porter

CB- Darrelle Revis
CB- Vontae Davis
CB- Lito Sheppard

FS- Kerry Rhodes
SS- Yeremiah Bell

I have Jake Long and Ty Warren playing out of position, but I believe it could work out for the best.

As for Bell... I think he's one of the better SS in the game today, underrated in the same types of ways that Thomas Jones/Shaun Ellis has always been underrated

PatsFanTX · 12-16-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DefenseWinsChampionships2

SS- Yeremiah Bell

As for Bell... I think he's one of the better SS in the game today

Dude, even Phins fans will tell you Meriweather is the best safety in the AFCE.

CW_McGraw · 12-16-2009, 06:06 PM

Keller and Fasano would make a great TE tandem. We play a lot of unbalanced line. Fasano ends up playing what looks like RT and holds of OLBs and DEs almost as well as Vernon Carey. Keller's basically a WR and is a matchup nightmare.

I agree with you about putting Long at RT. He's a good pass blocker, but is much better in the run game. Ferguson is basically the opposite.

DefenseWinsChampionships2 · 12-16-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Dude, even Phins fans will tell you Meriweather is the best safety in the AFCE.

Kerry Rhodes gets talked about as a top 5 Safety all the time, Meriweather has never even been considered a top 10 talent @ the Safety position.

I'm not even gonna list the #'s that Meriweather put up as a rookie, because the guy never seen the field.

Meriweather was a full time starter last year though, as a 2nd year player. He put up 83 tackles, 9 Pass Deflections, 2 sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles, 4 INT's.

This is his 3rd year in the league, he's on pase to put up 75 tackles, 10 Pass Deflections, 0 sacks, 1 Forced Fumbles, 5 INT's.

You wanna see what Kerry Rhodes did during his rookie season? 105 tackles, 6 pass deflections, 1 sack, 1 Forced Fumble, 1 INT.

Wanna see what Kerry Rhodes did as a 2nd year player? 98 tackles, 13 pass deflections, 5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 4 INT's.

So... With only 3 games left, lets just go off of what he's projected to do during the last 3 games...Then, lets see what Meriweather did during his 1st two years as a starter, compared to what Kerry Rhodes did during his first two years as a player/starter.

Meriweather: 158 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles, 9 INT's. 19 pass deflections.

Rhodes: 203 tackles, 6 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles, 5 INT's. 19 pass deflections.

Kerry Rhodes also followed up with a really strong 3rd year with 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 5 INT's... Something tells me Meriweather wont come close to that type of production next year.

Kerry Rhodes IS a top 5 Safety, Meriweather isn't even top 10 guy.

Gibby · 12-16-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DefenseWinsChampionships2

Kerry Rhodes gets talked about as a top 5 Safety all the time, Meriweather has never even been considered a top 10 talent @ the Safety position.

I'm not even gonna list the #'s that Meriweather put up as a rookie, because the guy never seen the field.

Meriweather was a full time starter last year though, as a 2nd year player. He put up 83 tackles, 9 Pass Deflections, 2 sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles, 4 INT's.

This is his 3rd year in the league, he's on pase to put up 75 tackles, 10 Pass Deflections, 0 sacks, 1 Forced Fumbles, 5 INT's.

You wanna see what Kerry Rhodes did during his rookie season? 105 tackles, 6 pass deflections, 1 sack, 1 Forced Fumble, 1 INT.

Wanna see what Kerry Rhodes did as a 2nd year player? 98 tackles, 13 pass deflections, 5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 4 INT's.

So... With only 3 games left, lets just go off of what he's projected to do during the last 3 games...Then, lets see what Meriweather did during his 1st two years as a starter, compared to what Kerry Rhodes did during his first two years as a player/starter.

Meriweather: 158 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles, 9 INT's. 19 pass deflections.

Rhodes: 203 tackles, 6 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles, 5 INT's. 19 pass deflections.

Kerry Rhodes also followed up with a really strong 3rd year with 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 5 INT's... Something tells me Meriweather wont come close to that type of production next year.

Kerry Rhodes IS a top 5 Safety, Meriweather isn't even top 10 guy.

ALL TIME Rhodes !!! What planet are you from

Apache 51 · 12-16-2009, 06:51 PM

Take the Pats out of this division, and we are in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL.

DefenseWinsChampionships2 · 12-16-2009, 06:54 PM

On a side note: Just think about how the AFC East would have been over the years with the Colts still an AFC East team.

Roger Vick · 12-16-2009, 07:16 PM

Fourth or fifth.

SenorGato · 12-16-2009, 08:37 PM

QB - Brady

RB - Ricky Williams/TJ

FB - Polite

T - D'Brick - Lol @ the Dolphags fan putting Long there.
G - Mankins
C - Mangold
G - Moore/Neal (it's close, and I'll play homer here)
T - Long

WR - Moss
WR - Welker
WR - Cotchery

TE - Keller (Fasano is close though, really like him as a player)

DE - Warren
NT - Wilfork
DE - Starks - Man would I love him and Langford on the Jets.

OLB - Pace
ILB - Harris
ILB - Scott (Only because I'm leaning heavily on '09 and Mayo didn't play much)
OLB - Porter

CB - Revis
CB - Davis
CB - Bodden

S - Merriweather
S - Byrd

We're alright...collectively I think the teams form oe of the better divisions but the difference in the NFL between any non-NFC East division right now is negligible. The AFC South must be fun to watch...

Johnny Drama · 12-16-2009, 09:05 PM

AFC South-

QB- Peyton Manning
RB- Chris Johnson, Joseph Addai, MJD
FB- Ahmad Hall

WR- Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, M. Sims Walker

T.E - Dallas Clark, Owen Daniels

LT- Michael Roos
LG-Amano/Lilja
C- Saturday/Mawae
RG- Jake Scott
RT- David Stewart

DE- Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Mario Williams
DT- John Henderson, Eric Foster?

OLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Demeco Ryans
OLB- Brian Cushing

CB- Cortland Finnegan, Dunta Robinson, Rashean Mathis
FS- Michael Griffin
SS- Sanders(When healthy), Chris Hope

Offense would score 1000 ppg, wouldn't even need a defense.

SenorGato · 12-17-2009, 01:22 AM

MJD >>>>>>>>>> Addai

I'd take Keiaho on the Colts over Bulluck, and maybe even Tulloch over him.

Griffin over Sanders for me.

12-16-2009, 05:16 PM	#1
DefenseWinsChampionships2 is Ready for Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, our Rushing Attack, along with our D to lead us to the Super Bowl Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St.Pete, FL Posts: 5,837	Where does the AFC East rank in overall talent? Can any NFL Division match the overall talent of the AFC East? My first guess would be the AFC South. My AFC East team may not be the best around, it would be interesting if other posters put together an AFC East team also. What the hell? It's Wednesday, nothing really going on as of right now in the sports world. Keep in mind, players such as Leon and Jenkins cant make the teams, because their out for the season. QB- Tom Brady QB- Chad Henne QB- Mark Sanchez RB- Thomas Jones RB- Ricky Williams RB- Fred Jackson FB- Tony Richardson WR- Randy Moss WR- Braylon Edwards WR- Wes Welker WR- Terrell Owens WR- Jerricho Cotchery TE- Dustin Keller TE- Anthony Fasano LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT- Jake Long LG- Logan Mankins LG- Alan Faneca C- Nick Mangold C- Dan Koppen RG- Stephen Neal RG- Brandon Moore RT- Nick Kaczur RT- Sebastian Vollmer RDE- Aaron Schobel RDE- Jarvis Green 3-4 NT: Vince Wilfork 3-4 NT: Marcus Stroud LDE- Shaun Ellis LDE- Ty Warren ROLB- Calvin Pace ROLB- Jason Taylor IMLB- David Harris IMLB- Jerod Mayo LOLB- Joey Porter LOLB- Bryan Thomas CB- Darrelle Revis CB- Jairus Byrd CB- Lito Sheppard CB- Vontae Davis CB- Leodis McKelvin SS- Yeremiah Bell SS- Brandon Meriweather FS- Kerry Rhodes FS- Donte Whitner KR- Ted Ginn Jr PR- R. Parrish K- Jay Feely P- Brian Moorman. Players on IR: Kris Jenkins Ronnie Brown Leon Washington Jets: 18 players Patriots: 12 players Dolphins: 9 players Bills: 9 players Last edited by DefenseWinsChampionships2; 12-16-2009 at 05:21 PM.

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12-16-2009, 05:24 PM	#2
JamaicanJetFan is clear eyes and full hearts All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,100	Byrd plays safety and is not as good as his pick count indicates. You have too many Jets on the list. AFC South and NFC East would probably win this little competition.

12-16-2009, 05:24 PM	#3
CTJetFan92 All League Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trumbull, CT Posts: 777	I would bet they're in the top 8, at least

12-16-2009, 05:33 PM	#5
CW_McGraw is eager to see if the Dolphins defense has stopped sucking yet. Veteran Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 356	My All AFC East Team would look like this. QB: Tom Brady HB: Thomas Jones HB: Ricky Willliams FB: Lousaka Polite (Best FB in the league BY FAR. 12/12 on 3rd/4th and short and a nasty blocker.) WR: Randy Moss WR: Wes Welker WR: Terrell Owens TE: Dustin Keller (This is a pretty bad division for TEs) LT: Jake Long LG: Logan Mankins C: Nick Mangold RG: Stephen Neal RT: Vernon Carey RE: Randy Starks NT: Vince Wilfork LE: Shaun Ellis ROLB: Joey Porter ILB: David Harris ILB: Jerod Mayo LOLB: Calvin Pace CB: Revis Christ CB: Vontae Davis CB: Leigh Bodden FS: Jarius Byrd SS: Brandon Meriweather The D-line looks awesome. Starks has played like a Pro Bowler, while Ellis is one of the elite pass rushers at 3-4 DE. Wilfork is a wall. Other than Revis, the CBs are average, though mah boi Vontae Davis has had his moments.

12-16-2009, 05:35 PM	#6
JamaicanJetFan is clear eyes and full hearts All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,100	Good list McGraw, but again, Byrd has NOT been THAT good.

12-16-2009, 05:54 PM	#10
DefenseWinsChampionships2 is Ready for Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, our Rushing Attack, along with our D to lead us to the Super Bowl Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St.Pete, FL Posts: 5,837	If I'm coming out with just starters, and not a whole roster, I would have to go... QB- Brady RB- Thomas Jones RB- Ricky Williams FB- Tony Richardson (He's still the best run blocking FB in the AFC East) WR- Randy Moss WR- Braylon Edwards Slot- Wes Welker TE- Dustin Keller TE- Anthony Fasano (Really strong run blocker) LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG- Logan Mankins C- Nick Mangold RG- Stephen Neal RT- Jake Long RDE- Ty Warren 3-4 NT- Vince Wilfork LDE- Shaun Ellis ROLB- Calvin Pace IMLB- Davis Harris IMLB- Jerod Mayo LOLB- Joey Porter CB- Darrelle Revis CB- Vontae Davis CB- Lito Sheppard FS- Kerry Rhodes SS- Yeremiah Bell I have Jake Long and Ty Warren playing out of position, but I believe it could work out for the best. As for Bell... I think he's one of the better SS in the game today, underrated in the same types of ways that Thomas Jones/Shaun Ellis has always been underrated

12-16-2009, 06:06 PM	#12
CW_McGraw is eager to see if the Dolphins defense has stopped sucking yet. Veteran Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 356	Keller and Fasano would make a great TE tandem. We play a lot of unbalanced line. Fasano ends up playing what looks like RT and holds of OLBs and DEs almost as well as Vernon Carey. Keller's basically a WR and is a matchup nightmare. I agree with you about putting Long at RT. He's a good pass blocker, but is much better in the run game. Ferguson is basically the opposite.

12-16-2009, 06:51 PM	#15
Apache 51 is gonna waterboard your ass Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: At the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 5,008	Take the Pats out of this division, and we are in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL.

12-16-2009, 06:54 PM	#16
DefenseWinsChampionships2 is Ready for Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, our Rushing Attack, along with our D to lead us to the Super Bowl Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St.Pete, FL Posts: 5,837	On a side note: Just think about how the AFC East would have been over the years with the Colts still an AFC East team.

12-16-2009, 07:16 PM	#17
Roger Vick Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,717	Fourth or fifth.

12-16-2009, 08:37 PM	#18
SenorGato is still a little buzzed. Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,685	QB - Brady RB - Ricky Williams/TJ FB - Polite T - D'Brick - Lol @ the Dolphags fan putting Long there. G - Mankins C - Mangold G - Moore/Neal (it's close, and I'll play homer here) T - Long WR - Moss WR - Welker WR - Cotchery TE - Keller (Fasano is close though, really like him as a player) DE - Warren NT - Wilfork DE - Starks - Man would I love him and Langford on the Jets. OLB - Pace ILB - Harris ILB - Scott (Only because I'm leaning heavily on '09 and Mayo didn't play much) OLB - Porter CB - Revis CB - Davis CB - Bodden S - Merriweather S - Byrd We're alright...collectively I think the teams form oe of the better divisions but the difference in the NFL between any non-NFC East division right now is negligible. The AFC South must be fun to watch...

12-16-2009, 09:05 PM	#19
Johnny Drama All League Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 724	AFC South- QB- Peyton Manning RB- Chris Johnson, Joseph Addai, MJD FB- Ahmad Hall WR- Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, M. Sims Walker T.E - Dallas Clark, Owen Daniels LT- Michael Roos LG-Amano/Lilja C- Saturday/Mawae RG- Jake Scott RT- David Stewart DE- Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Mario Williams DT- John Henderson, Eric Foster? OLB- Keith Bulluck MLB- Demeco Ryans OLB- Brian Cushing CB- Cortland Finnegan, Dunta Robinson, Rashean Mathis FS- Michael Griffin SS- Sanders(When healthy), Chris Hope Offense would score 1000 ppg, wouldn't even need a defense.

12-17-2009, 01:22 AM	#20
SenorGato is still a little buzzed. Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,685	MJD >>>>>>>>>> Addai I'd take Keiaho on the Colts over Bulluck, and maybe even Tulloch over him. Griffin over Sanders for me.

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