Wizard teammates pull guns on each other

Tyler Durden · 01-01-2010, 02:20 PM

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[B][SIZE="5"]Wizards Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton pull pistols on each other[/SIZE][/B]

[SIZE="3"][B]Teammates pull weapons on each other[/B][/SIZE]

By PETER VECSEY and DAVID K. L I
Last Updated: 12:28 PM, January 1, 2010
Posted: 2:53 AM, January 1, 2010

Guess they're still the Bullets at heart.

NBA all-star Gilbert Arenas and his Washing ton Wizards teammate Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other in the team's locker room during a Christmas Eve dispute over a gambling debt, The Post has learned.

League sources say the pistol-packing point guards had heaters at the ready inside the Verizon Center, the Washington, DC, home of the Wizards -- whose name was changed from the Bullets over gun- violence concerns.

It was the three- time all-star Arenas, 27, who went for his gun first, sources said, drawing on the 22-year-old Crittenton, who quickly brandished a firearm as well.

It was not clear whether other teammates saw the shocking standoff, which happened on a practice day.

The duel in DC -- unprecedented in sports history -- was sparked when Critten ton became enraged at the vet eran guard for refusing to make good on a gambling debt, a source said.

"I'm not your punk!" Crittenton shouted at Arenas, according to a league source close to the Wizards.

That prompted Arenas to draw on Crittenton, who then also grabbed for a gun, league security sources said.

A playground pal of Crittenton's from Atlanta, Kendrick "Bookie Ball" Long, confirmed the locker-room standoff and said he learned of it directly from the third-year player out of Georgia Tech.

"He [Arenas] was f- - -ing with him; he [Crittenton] was just defending himself!" declared Long, who said the dispute was over money but would not elaborate.

The Wizards announced on Christmas Day that Arenas had admitted to bringing guns to the locker room and had turned them over to team security. No ammunition was handed over.

The NBA club's statement didn't disclose how Wizards officials discovered that Arenas was storing weapons on the job.

But a league source said Arenas' weapons were uncovered only after the confrontation with Crittenton.

Wizards General Manager Ernie Grunfeld declined to comment. "It's in the hands of [Washington] authorities," said Grunfeld, a former star Knicks player and president. "We're going to get to the bottom of this, if there is a bottom to this."

Washington police said they were investigating Arenas for gun-possession violations. But the Wizards' gun grab has also drawn the attention of the feds.

"We're working with the Metropolitan Police Department on the investigation. That's about all we can say at his point," said Ben Friedman, a spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in DC.

The feds have been investigating gambling within the NBA since disgraced ex-referee Tim Donaghy admitted betting on games and feeding information to bookies. It was not clear whether the gambling debt that sparked the Arenas-Crittenton duel had anything to do with league games.

A top players-union official said he was shocked by the allegations. "This is unprecedented in the history of sports," said Player's Association Executive Director Billy Hunter. "I've never heard of players pulling guns on each other in a locker room."

Team owner Abe Pollin -- his sensitivity heightened by the fatal shooting of his good friend Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 -- changed the club from the Bullets to the Wizards in 1997 because he didn't like the violent overtones of the original name. Pollin died in November.

Arenas, who has three kids, reportedly told team officials he brought guns to his Verizon Center locker so they wouldn't be close to his newborn at their home in Great Falls, Va.

He denied pulling a gun on Crittenton and even mocked the suggestion he would ever point a weapon at a teammate.

"You guys, I wanted to go rob banks, I wanted to be a bank robber on the weekends," Arenas said sarcastically after a game this week.

Firearm laws in Washington are among the nation's strictest. Until a recent US Supreme Court ruling, private ownership of guns was illegal in the nation's capital.

As it stands now, gun owners are allowed to transport firearms only within DC under very limited circumstances -- such as taking the weapon to be registered or to a practice range. There's no provision under current DC law for a private citizen to have a gun at work.

In 2003, Arenas pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of carrying a concealed weapon in San Francisco.

Arenas claimed the gun was legally registered in Arizona -- where he was star player for the University of Arizona Wildcats -- and said he forgot he needed California authorization to carry it there.

Crittenton hasn't played a minute this season for the Wizards and has struggled to overcome a bone bruise and strained tendons.[/QUOTE]

32green · 01-01-2010, 02:25 PM

When guns are outlawed only point guards will have guns. Then what.

TheMikeIsHot · 01-01-2010, 02:31 PM

He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some.

Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?

Ruby2 · 01-01-2010, 02:43 PM

Reason 5,678 why the NBA is the worst sport in the country.

Timmy® · 01-01-2010, 02:49 PM

I can't believe people pay money to watch gang members play basketball.

Although I guess we watch gang members play football.

Go Islanders!

Roger Vick · 01-01-2010, 05:15 PM

They should go back to the Bullets name.

JetsFan2012 · 01-01-2010, 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=TheMikeIsHot;3429053]He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some.

Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?[/QUOTE]

+1

[QUOTE=Ruby2;3429067]Reason 5,678 why the NBA is the worst sport in the country.[/QUOTE]

+2

[QUOTE=Timmy®;3429077]I can't believe people pay money to watch gang members play basketball.

[/QUOTE]

+3

acepepe · 01-01-2010, 05:27 PM

To paraphrase the great Rodney Dangerfield " I watched a drive shooting by and a NBA game broke out"
I given up on the NBA, TRASH!

FF2® · 01-01-2010, 05:45 PM

I guess these guys are now pro prospects then:

Four Vols players arrested near campus

Associated Press
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Four Tennessee basketball players, including starting senior forward Tyler Smith, were charged with gun possession and other counts after a Friday traffic stop.

The Knoxville Police Department said Smith, 23, junior point guard Melvin Goins, 22, junior center Brian Williams, 22, and sophomore guard Cameron Tatum, 21, were arrested during a traffic stop for speeding near Tennessee's campus.

According to a police report, officers smelled marijuana coming from the car and found a handgun with an altered serial number, a bag of marijuana and an open container of alcohol. Tatum was driving.

Officers could not determine whether any of the players were under the influence of marijuana, though the strong odor suggested marijuana had recently been smoked in the car, the police report said.

Tatum was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and having an open container of alcohol. Smith was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm with an altered serial number, which is a felony. Goins and Williams both face gun and drug possession charges.

Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl said in a statement that the team takes such matters seriously.

"We are still gathering information. Once the appropriate authorities have provided us with all of the facts, we will act accordingly," Pearl said in the statement.

It was not immediately clear if any of the players had attorneys.

The Volunteers won at Memphis 66-59 on Saturday afternoon and face Charlotte in Knoxville on Wednesday.

acepepe · 01-01-2010, 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=FF2®;3429320]I guess these guys are now pro prospects then:

Four Vols players arrested near campus

Associated Press
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Four Tennessee basketball players, including starting senior forward Tyler Smith, were charged with gun possession and other counts after a Friday traffic stop.

The Knoxville Police Department said Smith, 23, junior point guard Melvin Goins, 22, junior center Brian Williams, 22, and sophomore guard Cameron Tatum, 21, were arrested during a traffic stop for speeding near Tennessee's campus.

According to a police report, officers smelled marijuana coming from the car and found a handgun with an altered serial number, a bag of marijuana and an open container of alcohol. Tatum was driving.

Officers could not determine whether any of the players were under the influence of marijuana, though the strong odor suggested marijuana had recently been smoked in the car, the police report said.

Tatum was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and having an open container of alcohol. Smith was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm with an altered serial number, which is a felony. Goins and Williams both face gun and drug possession charges.

Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl said in a statement that the team takes such matters seriously.

"We are still gathering information. Once the appropriate authorities have provided us with all of the facts, we will act accordingly," Pearl said in the statement.

It was not immediately clear if any of the players had attorneys.

The Volunteers won at Memphis 66-59 on Saturday afternoon and face Charlotte in Knoxville on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]

Future community leaders with DEGREE'S. What an f'n joke

palmetto defender · 01-02-2010, 10:16 AM

[QUOTE=TheMikeIsHot;3429053]He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some.

Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?[/QUOTE]

If David Stern doesn't suspend these two guys for the year, HE is a joke. The NBA has really gone totally downhill.

Apache 51 · 01-02-2010, 10:21 AM

The only tragedy here, is they didn't kill each other.

PocketJet · 01-02-2010, 10:27 AM

NBA should have a ballot for an All-Felon Team.

VincenzoTestaverde · 01-02-2010, 11:20 AM

Not defending Arenas and Crittendon both guys deserve jail and a suspension but it seems a little hypocritical for die-hard NFL fans to be criticizing the NBA for having players who carry guns when the NFL has its own problems with players running around with guns - not to mention drunk drivers killing innocent people, wife batterers, rapists and doggy torture.

BigJet85 · 01-02-2010, 11:22 AM

[QUOTE=Roger Vick;3429294]They should go back to the Bullets name.[/QUOTE]

LOL

acepepe · 01-02-2010, 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=Apache 51;3429729]The only tragedy here, is they didn't kill each other.[/QUOTE]

The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.

cr726 · 01-02-2010, 12:09 PM

Yes, god forbid someone has a different opinon based on a rumor.

[QUOTE=acepepe;3429821]The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.[/QUOTE]

palmetto defender · 01-02-2010, 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;3429841]Yes, god forbid someone has a different opinon based on a rumor.[/QUOTE]

Rumor? The police and the NBA are involved. This is a real matter.
You defending these pieces of garbage? Were you a Plaxico fan as well? He's off the street. Vick served a couple. Too bad all of them aren't banished.

VincenzoTestaverde · 01-02-2010, 12:26 PM

[QUOTE=acepepe;3429821]The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.[/QUOTE]

The next tragedy after that would be me having to read another one of your posts.

SenorGato · 01-02-2010, 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3429782]Not defending Arenas and Crittendon both guys deserve jail and a suspension but it seems a little hypocritical for die-hard NFL fans to be criticizing the NBA for having players who carry guns when the NFL has its own problems with players running around with guns - not to mention drunk drivers killing innocent people, wife batterers, rapists and doggy torture.[/QUOTE]

Well it's different because the NFL is more entertaining.

While I f'ing haaaate the NBA, I think it's funny that an NFL fan can trash that league. Steroids...cheating...so many games are clearly fixed...tons of thugs and gangsters that we're better than...tons of unnecessary/vaggy rules for no reason but to make the games supposedly more likable to people who don't care (I really don't why the leagues do this).....

I'll start watching the NBA again when the Nets put Bosh next to Lopez....or just grab Wade....or sneak in and steal Lebron while laughing their asses off.

01-01-2010, 02:20 PM	#1
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	Wizard teammates pull guns on each other [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/nba_gunpoint_R52AnT76DRgTSuVKDQ8XBO#ixzz0bOEgT3Mp[/url] [QUOTE] [B][SIZE="5"]Wizards Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton pull pistols on each other[/SIZE][/B] [SIZE="3"][B]Teammates pull weapons on each other[/B][/SIZE] By PETER VECSEY and DAVID K. L I Last Updated: 12:28 PM, January 1, 2010 Posted: 2:53 AM, January 1, 2010 Guess they're still the Bullets at heart. NBA all-star Gilbert Arenas and his Washing ton Wizards teammate Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other in the team's locker room during a Christmas Eve dispute over a gambling debt, The Post has learned. League sources say the pistol-packing point guards had heaters at the ready inside the Verizon Center, the Washington, DC, home of the Wizards -- whose name was changed from the Bullets over gun- violence concerns. It was the three- time all-star Arenas, 27, who went for his gun first, sources said, drawing on the 22-year-old Crittenton, who quickly brandished a firearm as well. It was not clear whether other teammates saw the shocking standoff, which happened on a practice day. The duel in DC -- unprecedented in sports history -- was sparked when Critten ton became enraged at the vet eran guard for refusing to make good on a gambling debt, a source said. "I'm not your punk!" Crittenton shouted at Arenas, according to a league source close to the Wizards. That prompted Arenas to draw on Crittenton, who then also grabbed for a gun, league security sources said. A playground pal of Crittenton's from Atlanta, Kendrick "Bookie Ball" Long, confirmed the locker-room standoff and said he learned of it directly from the third-year player out of Georgia Tech. "He [Arenas] was f- - -ing with him; he [Crittenton] was just defending himself!" declared Long, who said the dispute was over money but would not elaborate. The Wizards announced on Christmas Day that Arenas had admitted to bringing guns to the locker room and had turned them over to team security. No ammunition was handed over. The NBA club's statement didn't disclose how Wizards officials discovered that Arenas was storing weapons on the job. But a league source said Arenas' weapons were uncovered only after the confrontation with Crittenton. Wizards General Manager Ernie Grunfeld declined to comment. "It's in the hands of [Washington] authorities," said Grunfeld, a former star Knicks player and president. "We're going to get to the bottom of this, if there is a bottom to this." Washington police said they were investigating Arenas for gun-possession violations. But the Wizards' gun grab has also drawn the attention of the feds. "We're working with the Metropolitan Police Department on the investigation. That's about all we can say at his point," said Ben Friedman, a spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in DC. The feds have been investigating gambling within the NBA since disgraced ex-referee Tim Donaghy admitted betting on games and feeding information to bookies. It was not clear whether the gambling debt that sparked the Arenas-Crittenton duel had anything to do with league games. A top players-union official said he was shocked by the allegations. "This is unprecedented in the history of sports," said Player's Association Executive Director Billy Hunter. "I've never heard of players pulling guns on each other in a locker room." Team owner Abe Pollin -- his sensitivity heightened by the fatal shooting of his good friend Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 -- changed the club from the Bullets to the Wizards in 1997 because he didn't like the violent overtones of the original name. Pollin died in November. Arenas, who has three kids, reportedly told team officials he brought guns to his Verizon Center locker so they wouldn't be close to his newborn at their home in Great Falls, Va. He denied pulling a gun on Crittenton and even mocked the suggestion he would ever point a weapon at a teammate. "You guys, I wanted to go rob banks, I wanted to be a bank robber on the weekends," Arenas said sarcastically after a game this week. Firearm laws in Washington are among the nation's strictest. Until a recent US Supreme Court ruling, private ownership of guns was illegal in the nation's capital. As it stands now, gun owners are allowed to transport firearms only within DC under very limited circumstances -- such as taking the weapon to be registered or to a practice range. There's no provision under current DC law for a private citizen to have a gun at work. In 2003, Arenas pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of carrying a concealed weapon in San Francisco. Arenas claimed the gun was legally registered in Arizona -- where he was star player for the University of Arizona Wildcats -- and said he forgot he needed California authorization to carry it there. Crittenton hasn't played a minute this season for the Wizards and has struggled to overcome a bone bruise and strained tendons.[/QUOTE]

01-01-2010, 02:25 PM	#2
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	When guns are outlawed only point guards will have guns. Then what.

01-01-2010, 02:31 PM	#3
TheMikeIsHot All Pro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,043	He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some. Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?

01-01-2010, 02:43 PM	#4
Ruby2 Patron and Grapefruit Juice Bitchess!!! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jerseystrong Posts: 17,033	Reason 5,678 why the NBA is the worst sport in the country.

01-01-2010, 02:49 PM	#5
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,523	I can't believe people pay money to watch gang members play basketball. Although I guess we watch gang members play football. Go Islanders!

01-01-2010, 05:15 PM	#6
Roger Vick Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,533	They should go back to the Bullets name.

01-01-2010, 05:26 PM	#7
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	[QUOTE=TheMikeIsHot;3429053]He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some. Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?[/QUOTE] +1 [QUOTE=Ruby2;3429067]Reason 5,678 why the NBA is the worst sport in the country.[/QUOTE] +2 [QUOTE=Timmy®;3429077]I can't believe people pay money to watch gang members play basketball. [/QUOTE] +3

01-01-2010, 05:27 PM	#8
acepepe All League Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,427	To paraphrase the great Rodney Dangerfield " I watched a drive shooting by and a NBA game broke out" I given up on the NBA, TRASH!

01-01-2010, 05:45 PM	#9
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,220	I guess these guys are now pro prospects then: Four Vols players arrested near campus Associated Press KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Four Tennessee basketball players, including starting senior forward Tyler Smith, were charged with gun possession and other counts after a Friday traffic stop. The Knoxville Police Department said Smith, 23, junior point guard Melvin Goins, 22, junior center Brian Williams, 22, and sophomore guard Cameron Tatum, 21, were arrested during a traffic stop for speeding near Tennessee's campus. According to a police report, officers smelled marijuana coming from the car and found a handgun with an altered serial number, a bag of marijuana and an open container of alcohol. Tatum was driving. Officers could not determine whether any of the players were under the influence of marijuana, though the strong odor suggested marijuana had recently been smoked in the car, the police report said. Tatum was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and having an open container of alcohol. Smith was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm with an altered serial number, which is a felony. Goins and Williams both face gun and drug possession charges. Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl said in a statement that the team takes such matters seriously. "We are still gathering information. Once the appropriate authorities have provided us with all of the facts, we will act accordingly," Pearl said in the statement. It was not immediately clear if any of the players had attorneys. The Volunteers won at Memphis 66-59 on Saturday afternoon and face Charlotte in Knoxville on Wednesday.

01-01-2010, 08:05 PM	#10
acepepe All League Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,427	[QUOTE=FF2®;3429320]I guess these guys are now pro prospects then: Four Vols players arrested near campus Associated Press KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Four Tennessee basketball players, including starting senior forward Tyler Smith, were charged with gun possession and other counts after a Friday traffic stop. The Knoxville Police Department said Smith, 23, junior point guard Melvin Goins, 22, junior center Brian Williams, 22, and sophomore guard Cameron Tatum, 21, were arrested during a traffic stop for speeding near Tennessee's campus. According to a police report, officers smelled marijuana coming from the car and found a handgun with an altered serial number, a bag of marijuana and an open container of alcohol. Tatum was driving. Officers could not determine whether any of the players were under the influence of marijuana, though the strong odor suggested marijuana had recently been smoked in the car, the police report said. Tatum was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and having an open container of alcohol. Smith was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm with an altered serial number, which is a felony. Goins and Williams both face gun and drug possession charges. Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl said in a statement that the team takes such matters seriously. "We are still gathering information. Once the appropriate authorities have provided us with all of the facts, we will act accordingly," Pearl said in the statement. It was not immediately clear if any of the players had attorneys. The Volunteers won at Memphis 66-59 on Saturday afternoon and face Charlotte in Knoxville on Wednesday.[/QUOTE] Future community leaders with DEGREE'S. What an f'n joke

01-02-2010, 10:16 AM	#11
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,683	[QUOTE=TheMikeIsHot;3429053]He'll wind up in jail and deserves every minute that he gets and then some. Total prick. Who pulls a gun on a teammate -- IN THE LOCKER ROOM?[/QUOTE] If David Stern doesn't suspend these two guys for the year, HE is a joke. The NBA has really gone totally downhill.

01-02-2010, 10:21 AM	#12
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,647	The only tragedy here, is they didn't kill each other.

01-02-2010, 10:27 AM	#13
PocketJet Picture of our Head Coach below: Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bayonne, NJ Posts: 1,952	NBA should have a ballot for an All-Felon Team.

01-02-2010, 11:20 AM	#14
VincenzoTestaverde laughing at the Pledge Against America Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 9,162	Not defending Arenas and Crittendon both guys deserve jail and a suspension but it seems a little hypocritical for die-hard NFL fans to be criticizing the NBA for having players who carry guns when the NFL has its own problems with players running around with guns - not to mention drunk drivers killing innocent people, wife batterers, rapists and doggy torture.

01-02-2010, 11:22 AM	#15
BigJet85 OL HELP! Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Shore of Long Island. East Setauket Posts: 1,561	[QUOTE=Roger Vick;3429294]They should go back to the Bullets name.[/QUOTE] LOL

01-02-2010, 11:52 AM	#16
acepepe All League Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,427	[QUOTE=Apache 51;3429729]The only tragedy here, is they didn't kill each other.[/QUOTE] The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.

01-02-2010, 12:09 PM	#17
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,327	Yes, god forbid someone has a different opinon based on a rumor. [QUOTE=acepepe;3429821]The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.[/QUOTE]

01-02-2010, 12:16 PM	#18
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,683	[QUOTE=cr726;3429841]Yes, god forbid someone has a different opinon based on a rumor.[/QUOTE] Rumor? The police and the NBA are involved. This is a real matter. You defending these pieces of garbage? Were you a Plaxico fan as well? He's off the street. Vick served a couple. Too bad all of them aren't banished.

01-02-2010, 12:26 PM	#19
VincenzoTestaverde laughing at the Pledge Against America Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 9,162	[QUOTE=acepepe;3429821]The next tragedy, if they did kill each other, would be here on JI with posters telling us what saints these scumbags were and how much potential we lost.[/QUOTE] The next tragedy after that would be me having to read another one of your posts.

01-02-2010, 12:44 PM	#20
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3429782]Not defending Arenas and Crittendon both guys deserve jail and a suspension but it seems a little hypocritical for die-hard NFL fans to be criticizing the NBA for having players who carry guns when the NFL has its own problems with players running around with guns - not to mention drunk drivers killing innocent people, wife batterers, rapists and doggy torture.[/QUOTE] Well it's different because the NFL is more entertaining. While I f'ing haaaate the NBA, I think it's funny that an NFL fan can trash that league. Steroids...cheating...so many games are clearly fixed...tons of thugs and gangsters that we're better than...tons of unnecessary/vaggy rules for no reason but to make the games supposedly more likable to people who don't care (I really don't why the leagues do this)..... I'll start watching the NBA again when the Nets put Bosh next to Lopez....or just grab Wade....or sneak in and steal Lebron while laughing their asses off.