Gholston

Jet_Engine1 · 03-05-2010, 10:09 PM

Yeah, another thread on this deadbeat.

I've been seeing his name mentioned often in regards to the Jets draft, as in "The Jets won't draft player x, y, or Z because they already have Gholston and his big contract and Pace and HIS contract at the OLB position". Obviously, this is coming up with the thought that the Jets may have the opportunity to get an edge rusher like Sergio Kindle, Brandon Graham (I wish)or Jerry Hughes in the upcoming draft.

But my question is, with Gholstons complete lack of impact as an NFL player and his status as a textbook "Bust", do people really think that Rex or Tanny would shy away from drafting an Edge Rusher in the first round because of Vernon Gholston and his contract (which is a constant reminder of a HUGE mistake that continues to cost them money)?

If given a chance to get a guy they think could be a major upgrade for the Defense, would finances limit them to taking a guy who could be both a need and the BPA when they pick? How many chances do people think Gholston should get, and does the fact that he WAS a first rounder basically give Gholston the right to continue to sit on the sidelines, or stink it up while collecting a hefty paycheck and occupying a roster spot?

Just curious because I've seen a lot of the mindset both here and in the media that the Jets won't pick, say, Jerry Hughes at 29 "because they still have a lot tied up in former First Round pick Vernon Gholston".

Thoughts?

shuler82 · 03-05-2010, 10:20 PM

I agree. The only reason Gholston is still on the roster is because of his contract- but that won't keep the Jets from drafting someone at 29. Another top 6 pick at OLB? maybe there's a point.. but not at 29.

Joe W. Namath · 03-05-2010, 10:27 PM

Gholstens a joke. ****!n turd

Untouchable · 03-05-2010, 10:29 PM

Totally agree.

I don't give a sh*t how much money we have invested in the linebacker position, you keep drafting passrushers until you can find one that can make an impact.

Gholston has shown nothing so far. I know we all want to believe that things will suddenly start to click and he'll breakout, but that's just sheer optimism.

If Graham is there, you take him, period. Just too good of a player to pass up and he would fill an immediate need. I also have no objections to taking a guy like Kindle or Hughes.

intothegreen · 03-05-2010, 10:29 PM

[QUOTE=shuler82;3515948]I agree. The only reason Gholston is still on the roster is because of his contract- but that won't keep the Jets from drafting someone at 29. Another top 6 pick at OLB? maybe there's a point.. but not at 29.[/QUOTE]

Especially since it is an uncapped year. The Jets dont have to worry about one position taking up too much money and taking away from other areas.

Ven0m · 03-05-2010, 10:31 PM

Absolutely not.

It doesn't matter how much money you have tied up in one position, if it's still not suitably addressed.

PS: #29 picks do not make a lot of money anyways. Only Top 10 makes a ton of real money right out of college.

Jet_Engine1 · 03-05-2010, 10:33 PM

Hes not a joke Joe, hes an ALBATROSS. A colossal, enormous draft miscalculation and a constant sore spot that the Jets need to cut bait with ASAP in my opinion. WHO CARES if some other team signs him, the guy does not have the instinct, heart, desire, or football talent to succeed in the NFL.

Its time to draft a FOOTBALL PLAYER for the job of an actual, real threat as an Edge Rusher and bid farewell to Mr. Ghost

FF2® · 03-05-2010, 10:45 PM

Another Tanny BUST.

Untouchable · 03-05-2010, 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=FF2®;3515979]Another Tanny BUST.[/QUOTE]

You want a fresh one?

Settle down.

deadringer · 03-05-2010, 10:53 PM

maybe its just me, but i actually havent seen anyone suggest that gholston is going to influence the jets draft decisions...even if he werent a bust, pass rush is clearly the biggest need on this team

jetsfaneh · 03-05-2010, 11:04 PM

Pace is really good, Bryan Thomas is good in coverage and is a little underrated around here, and Rex has publicly stated that Vernon deserves more playing time and opportunities. Lots of money tied up in this position. I would be surprised if we go OLB at #29 but am not against it.

SenorGato · 03-05-2010, 11:42 PM

I think it's more likely we draft a DE/OLB late rather than early.

Jason423 · 03-05-2010, 11:45 PM

I think if they were picking in the top 12 in the draft they would be gunshy on a pass rusher, but at 29 they are going to go BAP. According to Tannenbaum they were locked in at CB at 29 until the trade. Now they should be looking to take who they feel is best value.

Gastineau99 · 03-05-2010, 11:47 PM

won't stop the Jets from taking an edge rusher at all... in fact, after getting Cro, I think there is a good chance Tanny will grab a DE or OLB in round 1 and/or 2... especially if Tate is off the board.

Dimitri_0515 · 03-06-2010, 12:04 AM

Question... say he sucks the first 8 games, which most likely he will, can we cut him midseason and save our cap for next year?

XingDaorong · 03-06-2010, 02:28 AM

Even with Gholston's contract our two starting OLBs are over 30, so it would make sense to load up on pass rushers now to plan for the future. And if there's any chance we can get Sergio Kindle we'll be set at that position for years. :yes:

SenorGato · 03-06-2010, 02:55 AM

Quality organizations also develop talent behind their starting talent...kind of like the Jets might have been doing with Gholston.

Hitman Harris · 03-06-2010, 03:01 AM

[QUOTE=SenorGato;3516119]Quality organizations also develop talent behind their starting talent...kind of like the Jets might have been doing with Gholston.[/QUOTE]

Ya don't say!

Chupa · 03-06-2010, 03:03 AM

Look, I admit Gholston has been a colossal disappointment.

But.... Has he really had a shot? He didn't play at all his rookie year, and last year he was pretty decent until he lost his starting job to pace.

I really feel that a guy making this type of transition needs to be thrown into the fire from the get-go, he has to be given time to develop, to learn, to fail.

Hitman Harris · 03-06-2010, 03:10 AM

[QUOTE=Chupa;3516123]Look, I admit Gholston has been a colossal disappointment.

But.... Has he really had a shot? He didn't play at all his rookie year, and last year he was pretty decent until he lost his starting job to pace.

I really feel that a guy making this type of transition needs to be thrown into the fire from the get-go, he has to be given time to develop, to learn, to fail.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for him having a legit shot....(maybe even a couple mistakes :eek:)
But we'd better have a real "backup" who CAN get the job done if Vernon can't.

03-05-2010, 10:09 PM	#1
Jet_Engine1 Stictly an observer. All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 3,855	Gholston Yeah, another thread on this deadbeat. I've been seeing his name mentioned often in regards to the Jets draft, as in "The Jets won't draft player x, y, or Z because they already have Gholston and his big contract and Pace and HIS contract at the OLB position". Obviously, this is coming up with the thought that the Jets may have the opportunity to get an edge rusher like Sergio Kindle, Brandon Graham (I wish)or Jerry Hughes in the upcoming draft. But my question is, with Gholstons complete lack of impact as an NFL player and his status as a textbook "Bust", do people really think that Rex or Tanny would shy away from drafting an Edge Rusher in the first round because of Vernon Gholston and his contract (which is a constant reminder of a HUGE mistake that continues to cost them money)? If given a chance to get a guy they think could be a major upgrade for the Defense, would finances limit them to taking a guy who could be both a need and the BPA when they pick? How many chances do people think Gholston should get, and does the fact that he WAS a first rounder basically give Gholston the right to continue to sit on the sidelines, or stink it up while collecting a hefty paycheck and occupying a roster spot? Just curious because I've seen a lot of the mindset both here and in the media that the Jets won't pick, say, Jerry Hughes at 29 "because they still have a lot tied up in former First Round pick Vernon Gholston". Thoughts? Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 03-05-2010 at 11:53 PM.

03-05-2010, 10:20 PM	#2
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,664	I agree. The only reason Gholston is still on the roster is because of his contract- but that won't keep the Jets from drafting someone at 29. Another top 6 pick at OLB? maybe there's a point.. but not at 29.

03-05-2010, 10:27 PM	#3
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,814	Gholstens a joke. ****!n turd

03-05-2010, 10:29 PM	#4
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,403	Totally agree. I don't give a sh*t how much money we have invested in the linebacker position, you keep drafting passrushers until you can find one that can make an impact. Gholston has shown nothing so far. I know we all want to believe that things will suddenly start to click and he'll breakout, but that's just sheer optimism. If Graham is there, you take him, period. Just too good of a player to pass up and he would fill an immediate need. I also have no objections to taking a guy like Kindle or Hughes.

03-05-2010, 10:29 PM	#5
intothegreen All League Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 743	[QUOTE=shuler82;3515948]I agree. The only reason Gholston is still on the roster is because of his contract- but that won't keep the Jets from drafting someone at 29. Another top 6 pick at OLB? maybe there's a point.. but not at 29.[/QUOTE] Especially since it is an uncapped year. The Jets dont have to worry about one position taking up too much money and taking away from other areas.

03-05-2010, 10:31 PM	#6
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	Absolutely not. It doesn't matter how much money you have tied up in one position, if it's still not suitably addressed. PS: #29 picks do not make a lot of money anyways. Only Top 10 makes a ton of real money right out of college.

03-05-2010, 10:33 PM	#7
Jet_Engine1 Stictly an observer. All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 3,855	Hes not a joke Joe, hes an ALBATROSS. A colossal, enormous draft miscalculation and a constant sore spot that the Jets need to cut bait with ASAP in my opinion. WHO CARES if some other team signs him, the guy does not have the instinct, heart, desire, or football talent to succeed in the NFL. Its time to draft a FOOTBALL PLAYER for the job of an actual, real threat as an Edge Rusher and bid farewell to Mr. Ghost

03-05-2010, 10:45 PM	#8
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,093	Another Tanny BUST.

03-05-2010, 10:49 PM	#9
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,403	[QUOTE=FF2®;3515979]Another Tanny BUST.[/QUOTE] You want a fresh one? Settle down.

03-05-2010, 10:53 PM	#10
deadringer Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Camden, NJ Posts: 4,746	maybe its just me, but i actually havent seen anyone suggest that gholston is going to influence the jets draft decisions...even if he werent a bust, pass rush is clearly the biggest need on this team

03-05-2010, 11:04 PM	#11
jetsfaneh un chien andalusia All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 764	Pace is really good, Bryan Thomas is good in coverage and is a little underrated around here, and Rex has publicly stated that Vernon deserves more playing time and opportunities. Lots of money tied up in this position. I would be surprised if we go OLB at #29 but am not against it.

03-05-2010, 11:42 PM	#12
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	I think it's more likely we draft a DE/OLB late rather than early.

03-05-2010, 11:45 PM	#13
Jason423 All Pro Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9,671	I think if they were picking in the top 12 in the draft they would be gunshy on a pass rusher, but at 29 they are going to go BAP. According to Tannenbaum they were locked in at CB at 29 until the trade. Now they should be looking to take who they feel is best value.

03-05-2010, 11:47 PM	#14
Gastineau99 Section 135 All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,344	won't stop the Jets from taking an edge rusher at all... in fact, after getting Cro, I think there is a good chance Tanny will grab a DE or OLB in round 1 and/or 2... especially if Tate is off the board.

03-06-2010, 12:04 AM	#15
Dimitri_0515 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,182	Question... say he sucks the first 8 games, which most likely he will, can we cut him midseason and save our cap for next year?

03-06-2010, 02:28 AM	#16
XingDaorong going to be banned for DWC2! All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,970	Even with Gholston's contract our two starting OLBs are over 30, so it would make sense to load up on pass rushers now to plan for the future. And if there's any chance we can get Sergio Kindle we'll be set at that position for years. :yes:

03-06-2010, 02:55 AM	#17
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	Quality organizations also develop talent behind their starting talent...kind of like the Jets might have been doing with Gholston.

03-06-2010, 03:01 AM	#18
Hitman Harris Supports Rex Ryan All League Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Right Here Posts: 4,092	[QUOTE=SenorGato;3516119]Quality organizations also develop talent behind their starting talent...kind of like the Jets might have been doing with Gholston.[/QUOTE] Ya don't say!

03-06-2010, 03:03 AM	#19
Chupa All League Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,278	Look, I admit Gholston has been a colossal disappointment. But.... Has he really had a shot? He didn't play at all his rookie year, and last year he was pretty decent until he lost his starting job to pace. I really feel that a guy making this type of transition needs to be thrown into the fire from the get-go, he has to be given time to develop, to learn, to fail.

03-06-2010, 03:10 AM	#20
Hitman Harris Supports Rex Ryan All League Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Right Here Posts: 4,092	[QUOTE=Chupa;3516123]Look, I admit Gholston has been a colossal disappointment. But.... Has he really had a shot? He didn't play at all his rookie year, and last year he was pretty decent until he lost his starting job to pace. I really feel that a guy making this type of transition needs to be thrown into the fire from the get-go, he has to be given time to develop, to learn, to fail.[/QUOTE] I'm all for him having a legit shot....(maybe even a couple mistakes :eek:) But we'd better have a real "backup" who CAN get the job done if Vernon can't.