Starting safeties and where they were picked...

Beerfish · 03-07-2010, 01:12 PM

1st round: 6
2nd round: 20
3rd round: 5
4th round: 5
5th round: 4
6th round: 6
7th round: 3
Undrafted: 14

No need to panic and think we have to use our 1st rounder on a safety.

Wallace Wright · 03-07-2010, 01:34 PM

The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.

jetsfaneh · 03-07-2010, 01:36 PM

Good research! Cannot believe how many undrafted guys there are. This years 2nd round is really good for safeties.

Ideally I would like to trade back out of our first round pick so we do not have to wait until the bottom of the second round to grab one. I like Nate Allen but do not think he will be there at the end of the second round.

gangGREENinsider · 03-07-2010, 01:42 PM

T.J. Ward or Robert Johnson

Ven0m · 03-07-2010, 03:37 PM

How many of those 3rd-UDFA safties started as rookies?

Because we're not just looking for a safety, we're looking for a Day 1 starter. You can't take someone who might be good in 3 years. He's got to be good now.

One Eye · 03-07-2010, 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=Wallace Wright;3517906]The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.[/QUOTE]

I 2nd Burnett!

Beerfish · 03-07-2010, 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=Ven0m;3518020]How many of those 3rd-UDFA safties started as rookies?

Because we're not just looking for a safety, we're looking for a Day 1 starter. You can't take someone who might be good in 3 years. He's got to be good now.[/QUOTE]

Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft.

Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.

Ven0m · 03-07-2010, 04:50 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft.

Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with my opinion of Rhodes. It has to do with us being inadequate at the Safety position right now, and if you're going to look to fill the need in the draft, it needs to be someone capable of starting Day 1, because as presently constituted, we don't have another player that is.

As for Smith, he's a huge liability in the passing game, which has repeatedly been exposed throughout the years. The only reason you didn't notice a drop-off in those two weeks, was because it was during a stretch where we played such anemic passing offenses in Carolina (w/ Jake Delhomme at QB) and Buffalo (w/ Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB) that didn't have the ability to exploit that weakness.

SMC · 03-07-2010, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft.

Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with being a Rhodes supporter to appreciate Ven0m's point.

Rhodes was playing like a JAG. Thus, to replace him, the Jets need at least a JAG for the 2010 season.

If those 3rd to UDFA starting safeties didn't start their first season, then your argument takes a hit. In that instance, the Jets shouldn't be expecting a 2010 starter from the later rounds.

Beerfish · 03-07-2010, 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3518092]It has nothing to do with being a Rhodes supporter to appreciate Ven0m's point.

Rhodes was playing like a JAG. Thus, to replace him, the Jets need at least a JAG for the 2010 season.

If those 3rd to UDFA starting safeties didn't start their first season, then your argument takes a hit. In that instance, the Jets shouldn't be expecting a 2010 starter from the later rounds.[/QUOTE]

Eric Smith is a jag. My point is not that we don't need to draft a safety. My point is that we don't have to wail that we need to draft one in the 1st round as has been intimated in other threads.

I also think that an enthusiastic, hungry rookie is not going to be a drop off the cliff difference than Rhodes.

crasherino · 03-07-2010, 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft.

Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE]

Just because Rhodes didn't start, doesn't mean he didn't play. In any type of passing situation, Rhodes was in, even when he wasn't starting. Rex used E. Smith in the proper role this year, and was effective. The guy is best served being used as a hybrid LB/SS. If he is our starter and is playing in every package, we are in a world of trouble. Ditto with Ihedigbo. Those guys are liabilities in coverage.

Not sure that we can find a guy in the draft that can adequately replace Rhodes from Day 1 unless we draft one of the higher rated safties. I guess that's fine if we do, but I was hoping to have those picks for other spots that we could improve upon. If we spend anything above a 4th rounder on a safety, that guy better turn out to be a legit player or else we lose on this trade.

As someone else mentioned on the main page, the best option for us would have been for Rhodes to get his ass in gear for next year and beyond - not have him traded.

Oh well....what's done is done, I guess.

C Mart · 03-07-2010, 06:38 PM

This whole panic over losing Rhodes reminds me of last year when the Jets let Baker go....Panic erupted on this board with people crying the Jets needed a blocking TE...Panic turned to hysteria when the Jets didn't pick a TE in the draft...

Jets went on to lead the league in rushing without Baker with a guy they picked up, Hartsock, a week before the season started.

Get off the ledge...The Jets will, one way or another, replace Rhodes. And I'm guessing, like the last years running game, the defense won't suffer.

Beerfish · 03-07-2010, 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=crasherino;3518159]

As someone else mentioned on the main page, the best option for us would have been for Rhodes to get his ass in gear for next year and beyond - not have him traded.

Oh well....what's done is done, I guess.[/QUOTE]

And how do we know he would get his ass in gear? Even after he was benched and supposidley played much better he still didn't look great to me.

In the end this all comes down to how each of us thought of Rhodes as a player. The people who thought he was still very good will be ticked off and think it is a bad move. The people who thought his play was severly eroded last year to the point of being a weakness on the team will not be that upset.

I think most of us agree we would have liked a better return in the trade but we just disagree on how much of an impact on not having Rhodes will be.

Kentucky Jet · 03-07-2010, 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3517875]1st round: 6
2nd round: 20
3rd round: 5
4th round: 5
5th round: 4
6th round: 6
7th round: 3
Undrafted: 14

No need to panic and think we have to use our 1st rounder on a safety.[/QUOTE]

a great passrisher will make the current safeties we have look terrific! Lowery, Smith and Ihedigbo. In our scheme safties are there to hit and intimidate. CBs are there for man to man coverage. We have two excellent CBs now.

I against I · 03-07-2010, 10:34 PM

[QUOTE=Wallace Wright;3517906]The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?

SenorGato · 03-07-2010, 11:02 PM

[QUOTE=I against I;3518313]Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?[/QUOTE]

Because it would only hurt him. He's put up big numbers in college with 18 INTs and 19 pass deflections, and he can probably live with 3 years of tape, interviews, and a Pro Day.

Wallace Wright · 03-07-2010, 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=I against I;3518313]Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?[/QUOTE]

Apparently he tweaked his hamstring.

Really doesn't matter to me though. I've seen him enough to know that I want him. Dude is a ballhawk, he can hit, and has good range.

Right now, I think we'll sit at 29 and go with someone like Odrick, then move up in the 2nd to grab Burnett or Allen. Obviously this could all change tomorrow, but I'm gonna be running the Burnett bandwagon until we get a Carrie replacement.

SenorGato · 03-07-2010, 11:16 PM

[QUOTE]Apparently he tweaked his hamstring.
[/QUOTE]

Alot of tweaked hamstrings during combine season this year for guys whose stocks can't be higher.

GreeneWarMachine · 03-07-2010, 11:35 PM

[QUOTE=SenorGato;3518352]Alot of tweaked hamstrings during combine season this year for guys whose stocks can't be higher.[/QUOTE]

I noticed that as well ;) After the fourth time hearing it I was like :yes:

crasherino · 03-08-2010, 07:18 AM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518185]And how do we know he would get his ass in gear? Even after he was benched and supposidley played much better he still didn't look great to me.

In the end this all comes down to how each of us thought of Rhodes as a player. The people who thought he was still very good will be ticked off and think it is a bad move. The people who thought his play was severly eroded last year to the point of being a weakness on the team will not be that upset.

I think most of us agree we would have liked a better return in the trade but we just disagree on how much of an impact on not having Rhodes will be.[/QUOTE]

Agree with everything you say. At the end of the day, I thought more highly of Rhodes than the team did.

03-07-2010, 01:12 PM	#1
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	Starting safeties and where they were picked... 1st round: 6 2nd round: 20 3rd round: 5 4th round: 5 5th round: 4 6th round: 6 7th round: 3 Undrafted: 14 No need to panic and think we have to use our 1st rounder on a safety.

03-07-2010, 01:34 PM	#2
Wallace Wright Come at the King, You Best Not Miss. All Pro Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,315	The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.

03-07-2010, 01:36 PM	#3
jetsfaneh un chien andalusia All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 764	Good research! Cannot believe how many undrafted guys there are. This years 2nd round is really good for safeties. Ideally I would like to trade back out of our first round pick so we do not have to wait until the bottom of the second round to grab one. I like Nate Allen but do not think he will be there at the end of the second round.

03-07-2010, 01:42 PM	#4
gangGREENinsider All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 8,232	T.J. Ward or Robert Johnson

03-07-2010, 03:37 PM	#5
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	How many of those 3rd-UDFA safties started as rookies? Because we're not just looking for a safety, we're looking for a Day 1 starter. You can't take someone who might be good in 3 years. He's got to be good now.

03-07-2010, 03:45 PM	#6
One Eye RIP 2012 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2006 Location: Manalapan, NJ Posts: 2,220	[QUOTE=Wallace Wright;3517906]The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.[/QUOTE] I 2nd Burnett!

03-07-2010, 04:25 PM	#7
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	[QUOTE=Ven0m;3518020]How many of those 3rd-UDFA safties started as rookies? Because we're not just looking for a safety, we're looking for a Day 1 starter. You can't take someone who might be good in 3 years. He's got to be good now.[/QUOTE] Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft. Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.

03-07-2010, 04:50 PM	#8
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft. Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with my opinion of Rhodes. It has to do with us being inadequate at the Safety position right now, and if you're going to look to fill the need in the draft, it needs to be someone capable of starting Day 1, because as presently constituted, we don't have another player that is. As for Smith, he's a huge liability in the passing game, which has repeatedly been exposed throughout the years. The only reason you didn't notice a drop-off in those two weeks, was because it was during a stretch where we played such anemic passing offenses in Carolina (w/ Jake Delhomme at QB) and Buffalo (w/ Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB) that didn't have the ability to exploit that weakness.

03-07-2010, 04:58 PM	#9
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft. Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with being a Rhodes supporter to appreciate Ven0m's point. Rhodes was playing like a JAG. Thus, to replace him, the Jets need at least a JAG for the 2010 season. If those 3rd to UDFA starting safeties didn't start their first season, then your argument takes a hit. In that instance, the Jets shouldn't be expecting a 2010 starter from the later rounds.

03-07-2010, 05:42 PM	#10
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	[QUOTE=SMC;3518092]It has nothing to do with being a Rhodes supporter to appreciate Ven0m's point. Rhodes was playing like a JAG. Thus, to replace him, the Jets need at least a JAG for the 2010 season. If those 3rd to UDFA starting safeties didn't start their first season, then your argument takes a hit. In that instance, the Jets shouldn't be expecting a 2010 starter from the later rounds.[/QUOTE] Eric Smith is a jag. My point is not that we don't need to draft a safety. My point is that we don't have to wail that we need to draft one in the 1st round as has been intimated in other threads. I also think that an enthusiastic, hungry rookie is not going to be a drop off the cliff difference than Rhodes.

03-07-2010, 06:23 PM	#11
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,815	[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518056]Kerry Rhodes is not Darelle Revis, you are a Rhodes supporter but are panicking a bit in my opinion. I also think that in the Tannenbaum tradition he will pick up a safetey before the draft. Was there a huge drop off when Smith started over Rhodes? Not really and Smith is a limited player. In any case this is why post season is so much fun.[/QUOTE] Just because Rhodes didn't start, doesn't mean he didn't play. In any type of passing situation, Rhodes was in, even when he wasn't starting. Rex used E. Smith in the proper role this year, and was effective. The guy is best served being used as a hybrid LB/SS. If he is our starter and is playing in every package, we are in a world of trouble. Ditto with Ihedigbo. Those guys are liabilities in coverage. Not sure that we can find a guy in the draft that can adequately replace Rhodes from Day 1 unless we draft one of the higher rated safties. I guess that's fine if we do, but I was hoping to have those picks for other spots that we could improve upon. If we spend anything above a 4th rounder on a safety, that guy better turn out to be a legit player or else we lose on this trade. As someone else mentioned on the main page, the best option for us would have been for Rhodes to get his ass in gear for next year and beyond - not have him traded. Oh well....what's done is done, I guess.

03-07-2010, 06:38 PM	#12
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	This whole panic over losing Rhodes reminds me of last year when the Jets let Baker go....Panic erupted on this board with people crying the Jets needed a blocking TE...Panic turned to hysteria when the Jets didn't pick a TE in the draft... Jets went on to lead the league in rushing without Baker with a guy they picked up, Hartsock, a week before the season started. Get off the ledge...The Jets will, one way or another, replace Rhodes. And I'm guessing, like the last years running game, the defense won't suffer.

03-07-2010, 06:51 PM	#13
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	[QUOTE=crasherino;3518159] As someone else mentioned on the main page, the best option for us would have been for Rhodes to get his ass in gear for next year and beyond - not have him traded. Oh well....what's done is done, I guess.[/QUOTE] And how do we know he would get his ass in gear? Even after he was benched and supposidley played much better he still didn't look great to me. In the end this all comes down to how each of us thought of Rhodes as a player. The people who thought he was still very good will be ticked off and think it is a bad move. The people who thought his play was severly eroded last year to the point of being a weakness on the team will not be that upset. I think most of us agree we would have liked a better return in the trade but we just disagree on how much of an impact on not having Rhodes will be.

03-07-2010, 06:52 PM	#14
Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,872	[QUOTE=Beerfish;3517875]1st round: 6 2nd round: 20 3rd round: 5 4th round: 5 5th round: 4 6th round: 6 7th round: 3 Undrafted: 14 No need to panic and think we have to use our 1st rounder on a safety.[/QUOTE] a great passrisher will make the current safeties we have look terrific! Lowery, Smith and Ihedigbo. In our scheme safties are there to hit and intimidate. CBs are there for man to man coverage. We have two excellent CBs now.

03-07-2010, 10:34 PM	#15
I against I drinks from the poison well Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Jackson Heights Posts: 2,212	[QUOTE=Wallace Wright;3517906]The value with this years safety class is in the 2nd round. I'm gonna be preaching Morgan Burnetts name until draft day.[/QUOTE] Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?

03-07-2010, 11:02 PM	#16
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	[QUOTE=I against I;3518313]Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?[/QUOTE] Because it would only hurt him. He's put up big numbers in college with 18 INTs and 19 pass deflections, and he can probably live with 3 years of tape, interviews, and a Pro Day.

03-07-2010, 11:08 PM	#17
Wallace Wright Come at the King, You Best Not Miss. All Pro Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,315	[QUOTE=I against I;3518313]Does anyone know why Morgan Burnett didn't participate during the combine?[/QUOTE] Apparently he tweaked his hamstring. Really doesn't matter to me though. I've seen him enough to know that I want him. Dude is a ballhawk, he can hit, and has good range. Right now, I think we'll sit at 29 and go with someone like Odrick, then move up in the 2nd to grab Burnett or Allen. Obviously this could all change tomorrow, but I'm gonna be running the Burnett bandwagon until we get a Carrie replacement.

03-07-2010, 11:16 PM	#18
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	[QUOTE]Apparently he tweaked his hamstring. [/QUOTE] Alot of tweaked hamstrings during combine season this year for guys whose stocks can't be higher.

03-07-2010, 11:35 PM	#19
GreeneWarMachine That one guy who no one knows! Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 74	[QUOTE=SenorGato;3518352]Alot of tweaked hamstrings during combine season this year for guys whose stocks can't be higher.[/QUOTE] I noticed that as well ;) After the fourth time hearing it I was like :yes:

03-08-2010, 07:18 AM	#20
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,815	[QUOTE=Beerfish;3518185]And how do we know he would get his ass in gear? Even after he was benched and supposidley played much better he still didn't look great to me. In the end this all comes down to how each of us thought of Rhodes as a player. The people who thought he was still very good will be ticked off and think it is a bad move. The people who thought his play was severly eroded last year to the point of being a weakness on the team will not be that upset. I think most of us agree we would have liked a better return in the trade but we just disagree on how much of an impact on not having Rhodes will be.[/QUOTE] Agree with everything you say. At the end of the day, I thought more highly of Rhodes than the team did.