Jason-pierre paul

TheMo · 03-14-2010, 06:02 PM

What is the hype about this kid? He's a lanky DE/OLB who is very fast/athletic, but hasn't shown much in production on paper. Bit or CBNY is he a bust in the making? Cause he sure sounds like one and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

SenorGato · 03-15-2010, 12:02 AM

The next biggest bust ever since super-mega-bust Vernon Gholston.

I think he's more Bobby McCray than whoever people think the NFL thinks this guy is.

Slikmojet · 03-15-2010, 01:15 AM

Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.

SenorGato · 03-15-2010, 01:29 AM

^^ Since '07...Wimbley had 11 or 11.5 or something...

Slikmojet · 03-15-2010, 01:43 AM

Lindy's says it's the most by a rookie since 87, don't think Wimbley got 11 as a rook. Speaking of Wimbley... That's one that got away from us, I love him. Fck!

SenorGato · 03-15-2010, 09:52 AM

^^^

You're actually on the internet man:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/kamerionwimbley/profile?id=WIM511051[/url]

Wimbley's OK...

Kentucky Jet · 03-15-2010, 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=Slikmojet;3526298]Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.[/QUOTE]

They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.

jmoss10686 · 03-15-2010, 10:41 PM

Jason Pierre-Paul sucks. He's extremely overrated. He's a third-round caliber player in my opinion.

TheMo · 03-16-2010, 01:41 PM

[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3527514]They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.[/QUOTE]

...did you even think before you posted that? JPP is being drafted completely on measurables. This was the take on Dum before he was drafted:

[QUOTE]He emerged during the 2004 season as a junior, recording 10 sacks and 11 tackles for a loss. His 2005 season was one of the best for a defensive end in both NCAA and school history, when he broke the NCAA single-game sack record (6) in a game against rival the University of Kentucky, and break the NCAA record for forced fumbles. His sack total also broke the Big East record set by Dwight Freeney, who was a player that Elvis desired to emulate. He won several awards for the 2005 season, including the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Ted Hendricks Award, Big East player of the year, and First-team All-American.

Despite his collegiate success and comparisons to Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney, Dumervil was selected on the second day of the NFL draft due to concerns about his small size (5'11", 258 lbs), and the fact that he went without a sack in his final three collegiate games. This may have been due to his being consistently doubled teamed, but it was perceived by some as a sign of fatigue. Several teams considered moving him to linebacker or only using him in pass rushing situations.[/QUOTE]

Not what I would call a lack of production or even perceived lack of production.

TheMikeIsHot · 03-16-2010, 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3527514]They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.[/QUOTE]

They're polar opposites.

Dumervil was the little guy with great production.

JPP is a giant with great athleticism and very average production.

Paradis · 03-16-2010, 02:38 PM

his moderate production was given high praise by mayock though. said that most of his drawbacks were experience and growth related. He didn't see anything that threw up red flags.

Ven0m · 03-16-2010, 02:55 PM

I would say though his lack of production is a little misleading, as he's been in the backfield a lot and gotten his fair share of TFL's, QB Hits, and QB Pressures that don't always show up on the stat sheet. But he's a very raw prospect and a decent portion of his stock is built on what people project him to do in the future, sure.

And yes, Dumervil is a horrible, horrible comparison. If anything, Dumervil compares more to guys like Graham and Hughes who people question their size.

k.Rhodes25 · 03-16-2010, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Slikmojet;3526298]Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.[/QUOTE]

Mark Anderson had 12 sacks as a rookie. Hasn't had much success after that though.

03-14-2010, 06:02 PM	#1
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,346	Jason-pierre paul What is the hype about this kid? He's a lanky DE/OLB who is very fast/athletic, but hasn't shown much in production on paper. Bit or CBNY is he a bust in the making? Cause he sure sounds like one and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

03-15-2010, 12:02 AM	#2
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	The next biggest bust ever since super-mega-bust Vernon Gholston. I think he's more Bobby McCray than whoever people think the NFL thinks this guy is.

03-15-2010, 01:15 AM	#3
Slikmojet The fine feathered figaro All Pro Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,643	Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.

03-15-2010, 01:29 AM	#4
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	^^ Since '07...Wimbley had 11 or 11.5 or something...

03-15-2010, 01:43 AM	#5
Slikmojet The fine feathered figaro All Pro Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,643	Lindy's says it's the most by a rookie since 87, don't think Wimbley got 11 as a rook. Speaking of Wimbley... That's one that got away from us, I love him. Fck!

03-15-2010, 09:52 AM	#6
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	^^^ You're actually on the internet man: [url]http://www.nfl.com/players/kamerionwimbley/profile?id=WIM511051[/url] Wimbley's OK...

03-15-2010, 07:39 PM	#7
Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,879	[QUOTE=Slikmojet;3526298]Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.[/QUOTE] They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.

03-15-2010, 10:41 PM	#8
jmoss10686 Waterboy Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9	Jason Pierre-Paul sucks. He's extremely overrated. He's a third-round caliber player in my opinion.

03-16-2010, 01:41 PM	#9
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,346	[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3527514]They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.[/QUOTE] ...did you even think before you posted that? JPP is being drafted completely on measurables. This was the take on Dum before he was drafted: [QUOTE]He emerged during the 2004 season as a junior, recording 10 sacks and 11 tackles for a loss. His 2005 season was one of the best for a defensive end in both NCAA and school history, when he broke the NCAA single-game sack record (6) in a game against rival the University of Kentucky, and break the NCAA record for forced fumbles. His sack total also broke the Big East record set by Dwight Freeney, who was a player that Elvis desired to emulate. He won several awards for the 2005 season, including the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Ted Hendricks Award, Big East player of the year, and First-team All-American. Despite his collegiate success and comparisons to Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney, Dumervil was selected on the second day of the NFL draft due to concerns about his small size (5'11", 258 lbs), and the fact that he went without a sack in his final three collegiate games. This may have been due to his being consistently doubled teamed, but it was perceived by some as a sign of fatigue. Several teams considered moving him to linebacker or only using him in pass rushing situations.[/QUOTE] Not what I would call a lack of production or even perceived lack of production.

03-16-2010, 02:22 PM	#10
TheMikeIsHot All Pro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,043	[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3527514]They said the same thing about ELVIS DUMERVIL too and look at how wrong they were.[/QUOTE] They're polar opposites. Dumervil was the little guy with great production. JPP is a giant with great athleticism and very average production.

03-16-2010, 02:38 PM	#11
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,108	his moderate production was given high praise by mayock though. said that most of his drawbacks were experience and growth related. He didn't see anything that threw up red flags.

03-16-2010, 02:55 PM	#12
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	I would say though his lack of production is a little misleading, as he's been in the backfield a lot and gotten his fair share of TFL's, QB Hits, and QB Pressures that don't always show up on the stat sheet. But he's a very raw prospect and a decent portion of his stock is built on what people project him to do in the future, sure. And yes, Dumervil is a horrible, horrible comparison. If anything, Dumervil compares more to guys like Graham and Hughes who people question their size.

03-16-2010, 03:18 PM	#13
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,875	[QUOTE=Slikmojet;3526298]Very athletic but raw as hell, he will get schooled at the next level. It will take him 3 to 4 years to get it but it will be too late, such is the plight of the raw college DE. They all struggle, rarely do you see a guy like Orakpo come in and get 11 sacks as a rook... in fact, that's the most sacks by a rookie DE since 87, that should tell you something. The art of the pass rush takes years to develop and that's what people don't get, it's an art.[/QUOTE] Mark Anderson had 12 sacks as a rookie. Hasn't had much success after that though.