How about TO in the Slot?

OC_Jet · 03-17-2010, 07:30 PM

If we think about the free agent WRs remaining, who else has the speed, quickness and route running ability and desire to get to a Super Bowl? Yes, he has been a pain in the @$$, but he was humble enough to go to Buffalo, of all places. Yes, at 36 he has lost a step but he should come cheap, considering that he has not been signed to any team yet. If there was ever a locker room and a Coaching staff that could keep his ego in check, it might be this team. I know this is a crazy notion and very controversial but TO, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, Greene, Leon and LT would cause serious match-up problems for any team. The best thing is that he would come cheap and would enable the best GM in the business the flexibility to go BPA in the draft having no real holes on the O, except for Oline depth. Fire away...

C Mart · 03-17-2010, 07:31 PM

dear god, no! TO is an overrated, team killing cancer.

GreenJoe · 03-17-2010, 07:35 PM

Much better to draft a young kid with great hands this year and train him to be great next year than to stuff a giant ego into a humble role for one year, starting completely fresh NEXT year with a rookie.

If they draft a slot WR this year and he plays, he will be that much more experienced for the next season. Personally, I'd love them to get Stuckey back, as the kid clearly has real talent and great hands, but if they won't go in that direction, then its time to draft a young promising WR to fill that role.

sg3 · 03-17-2010, 07:35 PM

I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI

Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it.

Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE.

Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish..

Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others

I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one

OC_Jet · 03-17-2010, 07:36 PM

He is running out of chances. He has one or two years left. You dont think the same come to Jesus conversations that the Jets probably had with LT would work with him. If he can just do the one job they need of him, he might get a ring.

CTJetFan92 · 03-17-2010, 07:36 PM

[QUOTE=C Mart;3530240]dear god, no! TO is an overrated, team killing cancer.[/QUOTE]

I think you are missing the most important part. The jets would be the sickest team to play with on madden :yes:

OC_Jet · 03-17-2010, 07:38 PM

I knew that posting this crazy idea would stir up a hornet's nest of anti TO venom but for 1-2mm, you don't think we could get good value out of him?

Jet Nut · 03-17-2010, 07:41 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3530249]I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI

Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it.

Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE.

Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish..

Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others

I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE]

I said the same earlier. Any POS who is let loose and bang, a thread calling for the Jets to "sign the BEAST".

Next thing you know people start believing that a TO has EVER been a good route runner or has EVER been one to go over the middle. That he doesn't have alligator arms, isn't afraid to go over the middle.

Ven0m · 03-17-2010, 07:42 PM

Absolutely not....because T.O. is the kind of guy that needs to be fed the ball 7-8 times a game regardless of if he is open or not in order to keep him happy, and the last thing we should be doing with Sanchez is encouraging him to force the ball into tight windows just to keep someone like T.O. happy.

PS: Final 8 rules make it not really very realistic anyways.

KingofNY · 03-17-2010, 07:45 PM

I think T.O would be a good pickup for us regardless of all the people here at JI that are going to say I'm crazy. It's an uncapped year, how will it hurt us to give him 3 mil for 1 year and just see how he does? Picking him up also doesn't mean we can't draft a "pure" slot receiver as well. I think if he's third to Cotch and Braylon, he could do some great things for us. That being said I don't think we need to look at every player that has been released lately but T.O is definitely someone who would make us a little better at WR right away.

Alight guys, Que the I'm a moron and T.O is old and sucks comments... I'm waiting...LOL

KingofNY · 03-17-2010, 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=Ven0m;3530257]Absolutely not....because T.O. is the kind of guy that needs to be fed the ball 7-8 times a game regardless of if he is open or not in order to keep him happy, and the last thing we should be doing with Sanchez is encouraging him to force the ball into tight windows just to keep someone like T.O. happy.[/QUOTE]

Did you even watch him in Buffalo? He was a model citizen even though some games he only got 2-4 targets. I think he knows he's not "The Man" anymore after no one tried to pick him up the last two off-seasons. IMO teams are making a mistake not throwing a lowball offer at him and see if he takes it. He is still a top 50 receiver in my book. Coaches still have to gameplan for him.

sg3 · 03-17-2010, 07:51 PM

I definitely won't "que" them since I am not all that fluent en espanol

Greaser · 03-17-2010, 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3530249]

I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE]

You're not sorry at all and you know it.

Ven0m · 03-17-2010, 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=KingofNY;3530265]Did you even watch him in Buffalo? He was a model citizen even though some games he only got 2-4 targets. I think he knows he's not "The Man" anymore after no one tried to pick him up the last two off-seasons. IMO teams are making a mistake not throwing a lowball offer at him and see if he takes it. He is still a top 50 receiver in my book. Coaches still have to gameplan for him.[/QUOTE]

T.O was thrown at 105 times last year. He very much was still getting #1 WR targets, even though the results weren't there. One of many reasons the Bills were so bad.

Fatty_VM · 03-17-2010, 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;3530255]I said the same earlier. Any POS who is let loose and bang, a thread calling for the Jets to "sign the BEAST".

Next thing you know people start believing that a TO has EVER been a good route runner or has EVER been one to go over the middle. That he doesn't have alligator arms, isn't afraid to go over the middle.[/QUOTE]

This is stupid. He was never questioned about his ability for either of these things. He isn't afraid of impingents and has a high prob. of breaking first contact, and his route running is pretty impeccable. His downside is his drops, which occur when he's focusing on YAC...

Seriously, stop spouting nonsense, there's a dozen justifiable reasons you can make about him being a poor choice for you guys, but this garbage is just wrong.

Jet Nut · 03-17-2010, 07:56 PM

[QUOTE=KingofNY;3530265]Did you even watch him in Buffalo? He was a model citizen even though some games he only got 2-4 targets. I think he knows he's not "The Man" anymore after no one tried to pick him up the last two off-seasons. IMO teams are making a mistake not throwing a lowball offer at him and see if he takes it. He is still a top 50 receiver in my book. Coaches still have to gameplan for him.[/QUOTE]

Have you paid any attention to what he's done to teams and their QB's over the years? Or just you're familiar with his name?

How about, he's not a slot receiver, pure or not. Doesn't seem to matter to those who want to play him in the slot.

And we sure had a game plan for him.

Coaches don't game plan for wr's who catch 50 a year.

Jet Nut · 03-17-2010, 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=Fatty_VM;3530277]This is stupid. He was never questioned about his ability for either of these things. He isn't afraid of contact and has a high prob. of breaking first contact, and his route running is pretty impeccable. His downside is his drops, which occur when he's focusing on YAC...

Seriously, stop spouting nonsense, there's a dozen justifiable reasons you can make about him being a poor choice for you guys, but this garbage is just wrong.[/QUOTE]

This is stupid?

He hasn't been accused of having alligator arms which leads to his drops, even back in his days in SF? And he is not a good route runner.

Learn the game instead of reading stat sheets and hype.

Greaser · 03-17-2010, 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=KingofNY;3530260]

Alight guys, Que the I'm a moron and T.O is old and sucks comments... I'm waiting...LOL[/QUOTE]

Not saying you're a moron but can you really draw any other conclusions on TO? He is in fact old and he does suck.
Final 8 rules aside, he's not even close to a good fit, he has not shown any ability to play as a slot receiver and there are other positions that would benefit the team more (pass rusher).
I don't want to be a jerk but this thread was a fail from the start and I feel like it somehow infected me because I posted in it. Terrible idea with zero possibility of happening.

WeskerLogan · 03-17-2010, 08:06 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3530249]I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI

Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it.

Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE.

Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish..

Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others

I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE]

+1

patsfanken · 03-17-2010, 08:08 PM

I can feel the vomit rising in my throat as I type this, but I have to say that A LOT of the Pats problems at WR would seem to disappear with TO on the other side of the field from Moss.

He's a wacko, a jerk, a locker room distraction....BUT no one has ever questioned his efforts on the field, his conditioning, or his abilities. I think I'd have to be happy if the Pats could manage to grab him cheap for one year.

Or they could go with a guy like Josh Reed the former Buffalo WR. A lot less controversial, but a solid if unspectacular guy

03-17-2010, 07:42 PM	#9
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	Absolutely not....because T.O. is the kind of guy that needs to be fed the ball 7-8 times a game regardless of if he is open or not in order to keep him happy, and the last thing we should be doing with Sanchez is encouraging him to force the ball into tight windows just to keep someone like T.O. happy. PS: Final 8 rules make it not really very realistic anyways. Last edited by Ven0m; 03-17-2010 at 07:50 PM.

03-17-2010, 07:30 PM	#1
OC_Jet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 211	How about TO in the Slot? If we think about the free agent WRs remaining, who else has the speed, quickness and route running ability and desire to get to a Super Bowl? Yes, he has been a pain in the @$$, but he was humble enough to go to Buffalo, of all places. Yes, at 36 he has lost a step but he should come cheap, considering that he has not been signed to any team yet. If there was ever a locker room and a Coaching staff that could keep his ego in check, it might be this team. I know this is a crazy notion and very controversial but TO, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, Greene, Leon and LT would cause serious match-up problems for any team. The best thing is that he would come cheap and would enable the best GM in the business the flexibility to go BPA in the draft having no real holes on the O, except for Oline depth. Fire away... Last edited by OC_Jet; 03-17-2010 at 07:32 PM.

03-17-2010, 07:31 PM	#2
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	dear god, no! TO is an overrated, team killing cancer.

03-17-2010, 07:35 PM	#3
GreenJoe is in search of the Roy Rodgers dining establishment. Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 782	Much better to draft a young kid with great hands this year and train him to be great next year than to stuff a giant ego into a humble role for one year, starting completely fresh NEXT year with a rookie. If they draft a slot WR this year and he plays, he will be that much more experienced for the next season. Personally, I'd love them to get Stuckey back, as the kid clearly has real talent and great hands, but if they won't go in that direction, then its time to draft a young promising WR to fill that role.

03-17-2010, 07:35 PM	#4
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,369	I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it. Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE. Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish.. Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one

03-17-2010, 07:36 PM	#5
OC_Jet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 211	He is running out of chances. He has one or two years left. You dont think the same come to Jesus conversations that the Jets probably had with LT would work with him. If he can just do the one job they need of him, he might get a ring.

03-17-2010, 07:36 PM	#6
CTJetFan92 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trumbull, CT Posts: 818	[QUOTE=C Mart;3530240]dear god, no! TO is an overrated, team killing cancer.[/QUOTE] I think you are missing the most important part. The jets would be the sickest team to play with on madden :yes:

03-17-2010, 07:38 PM	#7
OC_Jet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 211	I knew that posting this crazy idea would stir up a hornet's nest of anti TO venom but for 1-2mm, you don't think we could get good value out of him?

03-17-2010, 07:41 PM	#8
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,094	[QUOTE=sg3;3530249]I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it. Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE. Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish.. Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE] I said the same earlier. Any POS who is let loose and bang, a thread calling for the Jets to "sign the BEAST". Next thing you know people start believing that a TO has EVER been a good route runner or has EVER been one to go over the middle. That he doesn't have alligator arms, isn't afraid to go over the middle.

03-17-2010, 07:45 PM	#10
KingofNY Fire Sparano, Tanny and bench Sanchez. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,983	I think T.O would be a good pickup for us regardless of all the people here at JI that are going to say I'm crazy. It's an uncapped year, how will it hurt us to give him 3 mil for 1 year and just see how he does? Picking him up also doesn't mean we can't draft a "pure" slot receiver as well. I think if he's third to Cotch and Braylon, he could do some great things for us. That being said I don't think we need to look at every player that has been released lately but T.O is definitely someone who would make us a little better at WR right away. Alight guys, Que the I'm a moron and T.O is old and sucks comments... I'm waiting...LOL

03-17-2010, 07:51 PM	#11
KingofNY Fire Sparano, Tanny and bench Sanchez. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,983	[QUOTE=Ven0m;3530257]Absolutely not....because T.O. is the kind of guy that needs to be fed the ball 7-8 times a game regardless of if he is open or not in order to keep him happy, and the last thing we should be doing with Sanchez is encouraging him to force the ball into tight windows just to keep someone like T.O. happy.[/QUOTE] Did you even watch him in Buffalo? He was a model citizen even though some games he only got 2-4 targets. I think he knows he's not "The Man" anymore after no one tried to pick him up the last two off-seasons. IMO teams are making a mistake not throwing a lowball offer at him and see if he takes it. He is still a top 50 receiver in my book. Coaches still have to gameplan for him.

03-17-2010, 07:54 PM	#13
Greaser what is and what should never be All Pro Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 840	[QUOTE=sg3;3530249] I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE] You're not sorry at all and you know it.

03-17-2010, 07:55 PM	#15
Fatty_VM All Pro Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,057	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;3530255]I said the same earlier. Any POS who is let loose and bang, a thread calling for the Jets to "sign the BEAST". Next thing you know people start believing that a TO has EVER been a good route runner or has EVER been one to go over the middle. That he doesn't have alligator arms, isn't afraid to go over the middle.[/QUOTE] This is stupid. He was never questioned about his ability for either of these things. He isn't afraid of impingents and has a high prob. of breaking first contact, and his route running is pretty impeccable. His downside is his drops, which occur when he's focusing on YAC... Seriously, stop spouting nonsense, there's a dozen justifiable reasons you can make about him being a poor choice for you guys, but this garbage is just wrong.

03-17-2010, 07:56 PM	#16
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,094	[QUOTE=KingofNY;3530265]Did you even watch him in Buffalo? He was a model citizen even though some games he only got 2-4 targets. I think he knows he's not "The Man" anymore after no one tried to pick him up the last two off-seasons. IMO teams are making a mistake not throwing a lowball offer at him and see if he takes it. He is still a top 50 receiver in my book. Coaches still have to gameplan for him.[/QUOTE] Have you paid any attention to what he's done to teams and their QB's over the years? Or just you're familiar with his name? How about, he's not a slot receiver, pure or not. Doesn't seem to matter to those who want to play him in the slot. And we sure had a game plan for him. Coaches don't game plan for wr's who catch 50 a year.

03-17-2010, 07:58 PM	#17
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,094	[QUOTE=Fatty_VM;3530277]This is stupid. He was never questioned about his ability for either of these things. He isn't afraid of contact and has a high prob. of breaking first contact, and his route running is pretty impeccable. His downside is his drops, which occur when he's focusing on YAC... Seriously, stop spouting nonsense, there's a dozen justifiable reasons you can make about him being a poor choice for you guys, but this garbage is just wrong.[/QUOTE] This is stupid? He hasn't been accused of having alligator arms which leads to his drops, even back in his days in SF? And he is not a good route runner. Learn the game instead of reading stat sheets and hype.

03-17-2010, 08:05 PM	#18
Greaser what is and what should never be All Pro Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 840	[QUOTE=KingofNY;3530260] Alight guys, Que the I'm a moron and T.O is old and sucks comments... I'm waiting...LOL[/QUOTE] Not saying you're a moron but can you really draw any other conclusions on TO? He is in fact old and he does suck. Final 8 rules aside, he's not even close to a good fit, he has not shown any ability to play as a slot receiver and there are other positions that would benefit the team more (pass rusher). I don't want to be a jerk but this thread was a fail from the start and I feel like it somehow infected me because I posted in it. Terrible idea with zero possibility of happening.

03-17-2010, 08:06 PM	#19
WeskerLogan I think, therefore you're out Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Grove, New Jersey Posts: 6,762	[QUOTE=sg3;3530249]I hereby propose a new rule for possilble implementation at JI Just because some form of garbage is released from another team doesn't mean the Jets have to run out and sign it. Those desperate days where any form of rubbish of another team was an improvement to our miserable roster are GONE GOODBYE. Just today we have had calls go sign the following BEASTS, either completely washed up, vastly overpriced or just plain rubbish.. Mawae, Owens, Vasher and yesterday there were similar calls for at least four others I apologize if this idea offends anyone but I think it is a good one[/QUOTE] +1

03-17-2010, 08:08 PM	#20
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	I can feel the vomit rising in my throat as I type this, but I have to say that A LOT of the Pats problems at WR would seem to disappear with TO on the other side of the field from Moss. He's a wacko, a jerk, a locker room distraction....BUT no one has ever questioned his efforts on the field, his conditioning, or his abilities. I think I'd have to be happy if the Pats could manage to grab him cheap for one year. Or they could go with a guy like Josh Reed the former Buffalo WR. A lot less controversial, but a solid if unspectacular guy