Filling the Slot - Page 3

CW_McGraw · 03-18-2010, 10:14 PM

Why would a run heavy team like the Jets need three good WRs? Once Sanchez figures things out, Keller, Cotchery, and Braylon will be a top 10 set of pass catchers. Hell, Keller basically is just a slot receiver.

KingofNY · 03-18-2010, 10:23 PM

[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531471]Why would a run heavy team like the Jets need three good WRs? Once Sanchez figures things out, Keller, Cotchery, and Braylon will be a top 10 set of pass catchers. Hell, Keller basically is just a slot receiver.[/QUOTE]

Because you can't drive good run defenses into the groud. Having a balanced passing attack opens up the run game. If you think our receiving core is good as is, then why were they ranked at the bottom last year?

We need 3 good receivers who can all create separation to ease the pressure on Sanchize this year. Our guys made some nice catches last year but none of them were getting a bunch of separation except for Braylon on a few deep balls and maybe Cotch over the middle a couple times.

Look at what Baltimore did, they are stacked at WR right now. Thats what I'm hoping we have by the start of the season, 3 great WR's and a good TE.

CW_McGraw · 03-18-2010, 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=KingofNY;3531476]f you think our receiving core is good as is, then why were they ranked at the bottom last year? [/QUOTE]

Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.

dassin · 03-18-2010, 10:45 PM

[QUOTE=ThePenguin;3530950]Jordan Shipley[/QUOTE]

+1

He's Mr. YAC -- had 1,485 yards...for comparison Golden Tate had 1,496 with a better QB throwing deep to him.

Start at 2:09 and listen specifically to Brent Musburger, the play-by-play announcer, at 2:30 and what he says about Shipley during the National Championship Game:

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KingofNY · 03-18-2010, 10:58 PM

[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531484]Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.[/QUOTE]

You are right but that is also why we need to give Sanchez as much help as possible if we are going to make a run at the SB. I don't think we have enough talent with our WR core as is to make that run. If we had a Pro-Bowl caliber QB at the helm our current core wouldn't be so bad.

OC_Jet · 03-19-2010, 07:02 AM

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by [B]ThePenguin[/B] [URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3530950#post3530950"][IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL]
[I]Jordan Shipley[/I]
[/QUOTE]+2

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by [B]dassin[/B] [URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3530950#post3530950"][IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL]
He's Mr. YAC -- had 1,485 yards...for comparison Golden Tate had 1,496 with a better QB throwing deep to him.

Start at 2:09 and listen specifically to Brent Musburger, the play-by-play announcer, at 2:30 and what he says about Shipley during the National Championship Game:

[URL]

sg3 · 03-19-2010, 07:18 AM

What round is "Wes" shipley projected to be drafted in? Still 4th or 5th as it says at JetsDraftInsider.com?

One Eye · 03-19-2010, 07:32 AM

TWO THINGS:

1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing.

2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D

Dcat · 03-19-2010, 08:20 AM

[QUOTE=One Eye;3531609]TWO THINGS:

1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing.

2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D[/QUOTE]

I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29. If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer.

Jetfanfromthestart · 03-19-2010, 08:40 AM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;3530805]You still have my all time fav avatar Copenhagen....however. Stuckey is super overated on these forums in my mind.[/QUOTE]

Totally Agree!

JetFreak89 · 03-19-2010, 12:09 PM

For those who think we shouldn't stock the WR position with a stud prospect, need I remind you that we had David Clowney as a starting WR in the Oakland game due to injuries? Had we played anyone but Oakland that week I have a feeling more people would remember that.

dassin · 03-19-2010, 12:34 PM

[QUOTE=JetFreak89;3531839]For those who think we shouldn't stock the WR position with a stud prospect, need I remind you that we had David Clowney as a starting WR in the Oakland game due to injuries? Had we played anyone but Oakland that week I have a feeling more people would remember that.[/QUOTE]

Good point JF, depth at WR is something we desperately need. After Edwards and J-Co the drop-off is tremendous. Last season we were left forcing Woodhead into the slot and hoping to get any sort of production out of the Clown.

Now in Chez's second year, I'd like to this offense evolve to combine the ground and pound with Bill Walsh's West Coast passing system which is based primarily on short timing routes and the occasional deep ball...we could call it something like the "B[U]east[/U] Coast Offense" :)

Anyway, in order to take the next step up, a true slot receiver is a crucial component for that to happen and would consistently frustrate defenses with short passes for first downs that might turn into huge gains. We don't need a #1 guy, we have 1A and 1B already so using a first round pick on a guy like Tate doesn't thrill me. However, targeting a guy like Shipley (in the later rounds) who is pretty much destined for the slot role makes a ton of sense to me. A high slot WR prospect would also provide solid depth on ST as well, which especially at PR wasn't all that deep either.

palmetto defender · 03-19-2010, 01:08 PM

[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531484]Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.[/QUOTE]

Agree here.
1. You can't be #1 in rushing and really high in passing.
2. Edwards and Cotchery were not together for the whole year. Edwards was in 12 games and in two of those, Cotchery was out. Together only 10games. Look at the Jets down the stretch.
3. Sanchez was not great last year. Fine - he was a rookie. But with a year under his belt AND the continuity of both his WRs together it will make a difference.
4. The Jets do need a slot. I've stated my preferences and do not think a #1 draft choice is the way to go. Neither is Clowney the choice nor Brad Smith.
5. The Jets will still be a running team in 2010.

brady's a catcher · 03-19-2010, 01:21 PM

[QUOTE=Dcat;3531618]I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29. If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. [B]Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer[/B].[/QUOTE]

Yup.....although I do totally trust Tanny's draft day acumen.

JayTPenny · 03-19-2010, 01:38 PM

I didn't seen Coles play all of last season...but if he still has something left in the tank, I could see him being an EXCELLENT slot reciever.

JayTPenny · 03-19-2010, 01:40 PM

[QUOTE=One Eye;3531609]TWO THINGS:

1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing.

2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D[/QUOTE]

I don't think you can justify taking a "Slot" reciever in the first round...unless you have steady plans to move the guy to the wing in a year or two at most.

Paradis · 03-19-2010, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=Dcat;3531618][B]I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29.[/B] If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer.[/QUOTE]

Shocked?? no. Bryant, Berry, Haden being there at #29 would be shocking. Not only will Tate be there, we'll pass on him.

Here's a number of ppl that will be long gone by the time the jets pick[B][U] according [/U][/B]to many of you...

D. Williams
Graham
Kindle
Mathews
Tate
Wilson
D Morgan
Pierre-Paul
Bulaga
T. Williams
E. Thomas
Spiller
McClain

the list goes on. These aren't even top 10 prospects in many mocks, yet none them will be there.. according to you folks.

Explain.

JamesR · 03-19-2010, 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=JayTPenny;3531903]I don't think you can justify taking a "Slot" reciever in the first round...unless you have steady plans to move the guy to the wing in a year or two at most.[/QUOTE]

This may be what the FO has in mind, and I think it would be a good move. It frees us up from having to rely on Braylon (a) "getting it" and (b) not wanting a huge contract. If we get a guy who plays the slot next year but has the ability to do more in 2011 and beyond, it gives us great flexibility.

Jet's haven't drafted a WR since Cotch, and even then he was only a 4th ... might be time to go high and get a true long term weapon. Alternatively - if we can get a guy who's as productive as Cotch in the 4th, maybe that's all we need? Given the penchant for ground & pound, this may be the more cost-effective approach.

Paradis · 03-19-2010, 02:03 PM

^productive WRs can be found all over the draft. rnds 4 and up consistly produce NFL starters. Rnd 1 WRs are a roll of the dice as well. Unless his name is Bryant this year, then PASS. we'll find someone later on

bitonti · 03-19-2010, 02:16 PM

[QUOTE=Paradis;3531918]^productive WRs can be found all over the draft. rnds 4 and up consistly produce NFL starters. Rnd 1 WRs are a roll of the dice as well. Unless his name is Bryant this year, then PASS. we'll find someone later on[/QUOTE]

rookie WR rarely make impacts. It takes years to learn the specific hot routes, getting off the jam, and other skills required of NFL WR. The appeal of a Golden Tate type is he can help on returns and screens right away. But guys like Braylon, Randy Moss and Terry Glenn are exceptions to the rule... most rookie WR are ghosts.

03-19-2010, 07:02 AM	#46
OC_Jet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 211	[QUOTE] Originally Posted by [B]ThePenguin[/B] [URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3530950#post3530950"][IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL] [I]Jordan Shipley[/I] [/QUOTE]+2 [QUOTE] Originally Posted by [B]dassin[/B] [URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3530950#post3530950"][IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL] He's Mr. YAC -- had 1,485 yards...for comparison Golden Tate had 1,496 with a better QB throwing deep to him. Start at 2:09 and listen specifically to Brent Musburger, the play-by-play announcer, at 2:30 and what he says about Shipley during the National Championship Game: [URL] Last edited by OC_Jet; 03-19-2010 at 07:04 AM.

03-19-2010, 08:40 AM	#50
Jetfanfromthestart Practice Squad Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 276	Totally Agree! [QUOTE=Beerfish;3530805]You still have my all time fav avatar Copenhagen....however. Stuckey is super overated on these forums in my mind.[/QUOTE] Totally Agree!

03-18-2010, 10:14 PM	#41
CW_McGraw is cautiously optimistic about the Tannchise. Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 500	Why would a run heavy team like the Jets need three good WRs? Once Sanchez figures things out, Keller, Cotchery, and Braylon will be a top 10 set of pass catchers. Hell, Keller basically is just a slot receiver.

03-18-2010, 10:23 PM	#42
KingofNY Fire Sparano, Tanny and bench Sanchez. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,983	[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531471]Why would a run heavy team like the Jets need three good WRs? Once Sanchez figures things out, Keller, Cotchery, and Braylon will be a top 10 set of pass catchers. Hell, Keller basically is just a slot receiver.[/QUOTE] Because you can't drive good run defenses into the groud. Having a balanced passing attack opens up the run game. If you think our receiving core is good as is, then why were they ranked at the bottom last year? We need 3 good receivers who can all create separation to ease the pressure on Sanchize this year. Our guys made some nice catches last year but none of them were getting a bunch of separation except for Braylon on a few deep balls and maybe Cotch over the middle a couple times. Look at what Baltimore did, they are stacked at WR right now. Thats what I'm hoping we have by the start of the season, 3 great WR's and a good TE.

03-18-2010, 10:44 PM	#43
CW_McGraw is cautiously optimistic about the Tannchise. Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 500	[QUOTE=KingofNY;3531476]f you think our receiving core is good as is, then why were they ranked at the bottom last year? [/QUOTE] Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.

03-18-2010, 10:45 PM	#44
dassin All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,001	[QUOTE=ThePenguin;3530950]Jordan Shipley[/QUOTE] +1 He's Mr. YAC -- had 1,485 yards...for comparison Golden Tate had 1,496 with a better QB throwing deep to him. Start at 2:09 and listen specifically to Brent Musburger, the play-by-play announcer, at 2:30 and what he says about Shipley during the National Championship Game: [URL="

03-18-2010, 10:58 PM	#45
KingofNY Fire Sparano, Tanny and bench Sanchez. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,983	[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531484]Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.[/QUOTE] You are right but that is also why we need to give Sanchez as much help as possible if we are going to make a run at the SB. I don't think we have enough talent with our WR core as is to make that run. If we had a Pro-Bowl caliber QB at the helm our current core wouldn't be so bad.

03-19-2010, 07:18 AM	#47
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,401	What round is "Wes" shipley projected to be drafted in? Still 4th or 5th as it says at JetsDraftInsider.com?

03-19-2010, 07:32 AM	#48
One Eye RIP 2012 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2006 Location: Manalapan, NJ Posts: 2,220	TWO THINGS: 1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing. 2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D

03-19-2010, 08:20 AM	#49
Dcat I think I see one Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,104	[QUOTE=One Eye;3531609]TWO THINGS: 1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing. 2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D[/QUOTE] I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29. If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer.

03-19-2010, 12:09 PM	#51
JetFreak89 All League Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,343	For those who think we shouldn't stock the WR position with a stud prospect, need I remind you that we had David Clowney as a starting WR in the Oakland game due to injuries? Had we played anyone but Oakland that week I have a feeling more people would remember that.

03-19-2010, 12:34 PM	#52
dassin All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,001	[QUOTE=JetFreak89;3531839]For those who think we shouldn't stock the WR position with a stud prospect, need I remind you that we had David Clowney as a starting WR in the Oakland game due to injuries? Had we played anyone but Oakland that week I have a feeling more people would remember that.[/QUOTE] Good point JF, depth at WR is something we desperately need. After Edwards and J-Co the drop-off is tremendous. Last season we were left forcing Woodhead into the slot and hoping to get any sort of production out of the Clown. Now in Chez's second year, I'd like to this offense evolve to combine the ground and pound with Bill Walsh's West Coast passing system which is based primarily on short timing routes and the occasional deep ball...we could call it something like the "B[U]east[/U] Coast Offense" :) Anyway, in order to take the next step up, a true slot receiver is a crucial component for that to happen and would consistently frustrate defenses with short passes for first downs that might turn into huge gains. We don't need a #1 guy, we have 1A and 1B already so using a first round pick on a guy like Tate doesn't thrill me. However, targeting a guy like Shipley (in the later rounds) who is pretty much destined for the slot role makes a ton of sense to me. A high slot WR prospect would also provide solid depth on ST as well, which especially at PR wasn't all that deep either.

03-19-2010, 01:08 PM	#53
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,680	[QUOTE=CW_McGraw;3531484]Sanchez was really bad at times last year. As a result, the Jets ran the ball much more than they passed. When you're dead last in the league in pass attempts and the guy throwing the ball isn't very good, your pass catchers' numbers will look bad.[/QUOTE] Agree here. 1. You can't be #1 in rushing and really high in passing. 2. Edwards and Cotchery were not together for the whole year. Edwards was in 12 games and in two of those, Cotchery was out. Together only 10games. Look at the Jets down the stretch. 3. Sanchez was not great last year. Fine - he was a rookie. But with a year under his belt AND the continuity of both his WRs together it will make a difference. 4. The Jets do need a slot. I've stated my preferences and do not think a #1 draft choice is the way to go. Neither is Clowney the choice nor Brad Smith. 5. The Jets will still be a running team in 2010.

03-19-2010, 01:21 PM	#54
brady's a catcher R.I.P Goofy Maloof All Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 6,696	[QUOTE=Dcat;3531618]I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29. If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. [B]Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer[/B].[/QUOTE] Yup.....although I do totally trust Tanny's draft day acumen.

03-19-2010, 01:38 PM	#55
JayTPenny All League Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 764	I didn't seen Coles play all of last season...but if he still has something left in the tank, I could see him being an EXCELLENT slot reciever.

03-19-2010, 01:40 PM	#56
JayTPenny All League Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 764	[QUOTE=One Eye;3531609]TWO THINGS: 1. Golden Tate was taylor made for Schotty's offense. If he is there at 29, I can't imagine us passing. 2. By the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a whole lot more interesting... :D[/QUOTE] I don't think you can justify taking a "Slot" reciever in the first round...unless you have steady plans to move the guy to the wing in a year or two at most.

03-19-2010, 01:49 PM	#57
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,108	[QUOTE=Dcat;3531618][B]I'll be shocked if tate is there at 29.[/B] If he is, then either take him or trade that pick to another team who covets Tate. I just hope Tanny resists any temptation to move up to get him. Any draft day moves this year should be to trade down and add more picks, not fewer.[/QUOTE] Shocked?? no. Bryant, Berry, Haden being there at #29 would be shocking. Not only will Tate be there, we'll pass on him. Here's a number of ppl that will be long gone by the time the jets pick[B][U] according [/U][/B]to many of you... D. Williams Graham Kindle Mathews Tate Wilson D Morgan Pierre-Paul Bulaga T. Williams E. Thomas Spiller McClain the list goes on. These aren't even top 10 prospects in many mocks, yet none them will be there.. according to you folks. Explain.

03-19-2010, 01:50 PM	#58
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,812	[QUOTE=JayTPenny;3531903]I don't think you can justify taking a "Slot" reciever in the first round...unless you have steady plans to move the guy to the wing in a year or two at most.[/QUOTE] This may be what the FO has in mind, and I think it would be a good move. It frees us up from having to rely on Braylon (a) "getting it" and (b) not wanting a huge contract. If we get a guy who plays the slot next year but has the ability to do more in 2011 and beyond, it gives us great flexibility. Jet's haven't drafted a WR since Cotch, and even then he was only a 4th ... might be time to go high and get a true long term weapon. Alternatively - if we can get a guy who's as productive as Cotch in the 4th, maybe that's all we need? Given the penchant for ground & pound, this may be the more cost-effective approach.

03-19-2010, 02:03 PM	#59
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,108	^productive WRs can be found all over the draft. rnds 4 and up consistly produce NFL starters. Rnd 1 WRs are a roll of the dice as well. Unless his name is Bryant this year, then PASS. we'll find someone later on

03-19-2010, 02:16 PM	#60
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Paradis;3531918]^productive WRs can be found all over the draft. rnds 4 and up consistly produce NFL starters. Rnd 1 WRs are a roll of the dice as well. Unless his name is Bryant this year, then PASS. we'll find someone later on[/QUOTE] rookie WR rarely make impacts. It takes years to learn the specific hot routes, getting off the jam, and other skills required of NFL WR. The appeal of a Golden Tate type is he can help on returns and screens right away. But guys like Braylon, Randy Moss and Terry Glenn are exceptions to the rule... most rookie WR are ghosts.