Clues to long-lost pharaoh’s tomb found

PlumberKhan · 03-29-2010, 10:01 PM

[QUOTE][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36082456/ns/technology_and_science-science/[/url]

The missing pyramid of an obscure pharaoh that ruled Egypt 4,300 years ago could lie at the intersection of a series of invisible lines in South Saqqara, according to new astronomical and topographical research.

Connecting the funerary complexes raised by the kings of the 6th Dynasty between 2322 B.C. and 2151 B.C., these lines would have governed the sacred space of the Saqqara area, in accordance with a number of criteria such as dynastic lineage, religion and astronomical alignment.

"We are talking of meridian and diagonal alignments, with pyramids raised at their intersections. The only missing piece in this sort of grid is the pyramid of Userkare," Giulio Magli, professor of archaeoastronomy at Milan's Polytechnic University, told Discovery News. His research will appear in the next issue of the journal Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry.

Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered.

Little is known about this shadowy pharaoh.

"When Pepi I took control a few years later, Userkare disappeared from history. Finding his tomb might help understand those obscure years. The walls in his burial might also contain intact copies of the Pyramid Texts," Magli said, referring to the oldest known religious texts in the world that were carved on the walls and sarcophagi of the pyramids at Saqqara during the 5th and 6th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom.

Magli's hunt for the lost pharaoh evolved around previous studies on the pyramids of the Old Kingdom. Indeed, from the Step Pyramid of Djoser (second king of the 3rd Dynasty) to the now-collapsed pyramid of Unas (the last king of the 5th Dynasty), all these monuments appear to be connected by a pattern of diagonal invisible lines.

"Diagonal axes — generally oriented northeast by southwest — governed Giza, Abusir and the Saqqara central field. But we have a different pattern with some 6th dynasty kings: their funerary monuments in South Saqqara appear to have been planned according to meridian, north-south axes," Magli said.

According to this pattern, the pyramid top of Pepi I (third king of the 6th Dynasty) aligned with that of Userkaf (first king of the 5th Dynasty), while the pyramid apex of Merenre (fourth king of the 6th Dynasty) aligned with that of Unas (last king of the 5th Dynasty).

"It is difficult to think that this rigorous meridian structure is just a coincidence. However something does not match in this pattern: no pyramid aligned with the Step Pyramid of Djoser, by far the most important and revered pyramid at Saqqara," Magli said.

The position was allegedly free, but the pharaohs chose different, sometimes more complex sites. For example, Pepi II, the third king of the 6th Dynasty, moved further to the southwest, and aligned the top of his pyramid with that of 3rd Dynasty King Sekhemkhet.

"There could be a simple explanation: the position in meridian alignment with the Step Pyramid was not free at all, being occupied by Userkare's complex," Magli said.

He suggested that Userkare's tomb is located approximately in the middle of the line connecting Pepi I and Merenre's diagonals, in alignment with Djoser's pyramid.

According to Egyptologist Vassil Dobrev, at the French Institute of Archaeology in Cairo, the suggestion makes sense on the satellitemap, but is difficult to see on the field. Dobrev believes Userkare's tomb lie on a different, north-south diagonal in South Saqqara which would chronologically link the 6th Dynasty kings.

Indeed, he is excavating a 15-hectare area in Tabbet al-Guesh, where he has found several graves of priests from the 6th Dynasty.

Since the presence of a necropolis is a strong hint to a pyramid nearby, Dobrev believes Userkare's lies just there.

"These priests come to this place to serve the cult of a dead king. We do not have the name of Userkare yet, because the priests speak systematically about the 'King, their God.' They obviously refer to the dead king, [of] whom everybody knew the name," Dobrev told Discovery News.

According to Magli, the hidden structure may rather turn out to be a double-tomb complex.

"Apparently, a similar, 5th Dynasty double structure — not a pyramid — exists in Abusir. However, I'm confident Userkare's tomb will come to light in South Saqqara. Future excavations will solve the riddle," Magli said.[/QUOTE]

OK.

Random topic.

Now, turn it into a political pissing contest. I'll start.

Waaaah. Health care. Waaaaah.

Jets Things · 03-29-2010, 10:06 PM

ibtd

FF2® · 03-29-2010, 10:08 PM

Thanks to Obama and his cronies, this will be happening more and more.

All kinds of lines and triangles and such.

32green · 03-29-2010, 10:09 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3541042] "Diagonal axes — generally oriented northeast by southwest — governed Giza, Abusir and the Saqqara central field. But we have a different pattern with some 6th dynasty kings: their funerary monuments in South Saqqara appear to have been planned according to meridian, north-south axes, [/QUOTE]

Said the same thing to the wife tonight but she said it was Giza and Abusir, but not the Saqqara central field, but the lesser known Saqqara Cardines field.

She likes her wine.

:dunno:

FF2® · 03-29-2010, 10:10 PM

[B]"Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered."[/B]

Typical neo-con.

Come Back to NY · 03-29-2010, 10:10 PM

[QUOTE=32green;3541052]Said the same thing to the wife tonight but she said it was Giza and Abusir, but not the Saqqara central field, but the lesser known Saqqara Cardines field.

She likes her wine.

:dunno:[/QUOTE]

so it made sense I take it....

32green · 03-29-2010, 10:11 PM

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3541054]so it made sense I take it....[/QUOTE]

I just wave her off.

No idea.

Come Back to NY · 03-29-2010, 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=32green;3541055]I just wave her off.

No idea.[/QUOTE]

be careful about waving off bro.....a little wine goes a long way once the clothes are off...

quantum · 03-30-2010, 10:40 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;3541053][B]"Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered."[/B]

Typical neo-comm[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Have they found a Stargate yet?

Jets Things · 03-30-2010, 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=quantum;3541303]I agree.

Have they found a Stargate yet?[/QUOTE]

Ya ya deebyo?

[IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG]

BURGERMIKE · 03-30-2010, 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=Jets Things;3541313]Ya ya deebyo?

[IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Is that Cecil from "Mr Deeds"?

quantum · 03-30-2010, 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=Jets Things;3541313]Ya ya deebyo?

[IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

All I got is a Snickers....

Untouchable · 03-30-2010, 02:37 PM

Obama killed my father...and raped my mother!

Revi$_I$l@nd · 03-30-2010, 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=Untouchable;3541572]Obama killed my father...and raped my mother![/QUOTE]

This is a big f*cking deal.

JStokes · 03-30-2010, 02:59 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3541042]

Little is known about this shadowy pharaoh.

[/QUOTE]

Hey, how about that.

Their leader and our leader were both born in Africa.

PlumberKhan · 03-30-2010, 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;3541577]This is a big f*cking deal.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!! :P

32green · 03-30-2010, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Untouchable;3541572]Obama killed my father...and raped my mother![/QUOTE]

Thats nuttin.....

He killed my mother and raped my father!

whahapin

Jet_Engine1 · 03-31-2010, 10:00 PM

Djoser was such a lib....and too bad the New Stargate show sucks.

03-29-2010, 10:01 PM	#1
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,029	Clues to long-lost pharaoh’s tomb found [QUOTE][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36082456/ns/technology_and_science-science/[/url] The missing pyramid of an obscure pharaoh that ruled Egypt 4,300 years ago could lie at the intersection of a series of invisible lines in South Saqqara, according to new astronomical and topographical research. Connecting the funerary complexes raised by the kings of the 6th Dynasty between 2322 B.C. and 2151 B.C., these lines would have governed the sacred space of the Saqqara area, in accordance with a number of criteria such as dynastic lineage, religion and astronomical alignment. "We are talking of meridian and diagonal alignments, with pyramids raised at their intersections. The only missing piece in this sort of grid is the pyramid of Userkare," Giulio Magli, professor of archaeoastronomy at Milan's Polytechnic University, told Discovery News. His research will appear in the next issue of the journal Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry. Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered. Little is known about this shadowy pharaoh. "When Pepi I took control a few years later, Userkare disappeared from history. Finding his tomb might help understand those obscure years. The walls in his burial might also contain intact copies of the Pyramid Texts," Magli said, referring to the oldest known religious texts in the world that were carved on the walls and sarcophagi of the pyramids at Saqqara during the 5th and 6th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom. Magli's hunt for the lost pharaoh evolved around previous studies on the pyramids of the Old Kingdom. Indeed, from the Step Pyramid of Djoser (second king of the 3rd Dynasty) to the now-collapsed pyramid of Unas (the last king of the 5th Dynasty), all these monuments appear to be connected by a pattern of diagonal invisible lines. "Diagonal axes — generally oriented northeast by southwest — governed Giza, Abusir and the Saqqara central field. But we have a different pattern with some 6th dynasty kings: their funerary monuments in South Saqqara appear to have been planned according to meridian, north-south axes," Magli said. According to this pattern, the pyramid top of Pepi I (third king of the 6th Dynasty) aligned with that of Userkaf (first king of the 5th Dynasty), while the pyramid apex of Merenre (fourth king of the 6th Dynasty) aligned with that of Unas (last king of the 5th Dynasty). "It is difficult to think that this rigorous meridian structure is just a coincidence. However something does not match in this pattern: no pyramid aligned with the Step Pyramid of Djoser, by far the most important and revered pyramid at Saqqara," Magli said. The position was allegedly free, but the pharaohs chose different, sometimes more complex sites. For example, Pepi II, the third king of the 6th Dynasty, moved further to the southwest, and aligned the top of his pyramid with that of 3rd Dynasty King Sekhemkhet. "There could be a simple explanation: the position in meridian alignment with the Step Pyramid was not free at all, being occupied by Userkare's complex," Magli said. He suggested that Userkare's tomb is located approximately in the middle of the line connecting Pepi I and Merenre's diagonals, in alignment with Djoser's pyramid. According to Egyptologist Vassil Dobrev, at the French Institute of Archaeology in Cairo, the suggestion makes sense on the satellitemap, but is difficult to see on the field. Dobrev believes Userkare's tomb lie on a different, north-south diagonal in South Saqqara which would chronologically link the 6th Dynasty kings. Indeed, he is excavating a 15-hectare area in Tabbet al-Guesh, where he has found several graves of priests from the 6th Dynasty. Since the presence of a necropolis is a strong hint to a pyramid nearby, Dobrev believes Userkare's lies just there. "These priests come to this place to serve the cult of a dead king. We do not have the name of Userkare yet, because the priests speak systematically about the 'King, their God.' They obviously refer to the dead king, [of] whom everybody knew the name," Dobrev told Discovery News. According to Magli, the hidden structure may rather turn out to be a double-tomb complex. "Apparently, a similar, 5th Dynasty double structure — not a pyramid — exists in Abusir. However, I'm confident Userkare's tomb will come to light in South Saqqara. Future excavations will solve the riddle," Magli said.[/QUOTE] OK. Random topic. Now, turn it into a political pissing contest. I'll start. Waaaah. Health care. Waaaaah.

03-29-2010, 10:06 PM	#2
Jets Things All Pro Join Date: May 2003 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace Posts: 9,426	ibtd

03-29-2010, 10:08 PM	#3
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,223	Thanks to Obama and his cronies, this will be happening more and more. All kinds of lines and triangles and such.

03-29-2010, 10:09 PM	#4
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3541042] "Diagonal axes — generally oriented northeast by southwest — governed Giza, Abusir and the Saqqara central field. But we have a different pattern with some 6th dynasty kings: their funerary monuments in South Saqqara appear to have been planned according to meridian, north-south axes, [/QUOTE] Said the same thing to the wife tonight but she said it was Giza and Abusir, but not the Saqqara central field, but the lesser known Saqqara Cardines field. She likes her wine. :dunno:

03-29-2010, 10:10 PM	#5
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,223	[B]"Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered."[/B] Typical neo-con.

03-29-2010, 10:10 PM	#6
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	[QUOTE=32green;3541052]Said the same thing to the wife tonight but she said it was Giza and Abusir, but not the Saqqara central field, but the lesser known Saqqara Cardines field. She likes her wine. :dunno:[/QUOTE] so it made sense I take it....

03-29-2010, 10:11 PM	#7
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3541054]so it made sense I take it....[/QUOTE] I just wave her off. No idea.

03-29-2010, 10:16 PM	#8
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	[QUOTE=32green;3541055]I just wave her off. No idea.[/QUOTE] be careful about waving off bro.....a little wine goes a long way once the clothes are off...

03-30-2010, 10:40 AM	#9
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=FF2®;3541053][B]"Known only from the king lists, Userkare was the second pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty and ruled briefly between Teti and Teti's son Pepi I. He took power after Teti was murdered, perhaps in a conspiracy he himself had maneuvered."[/B] Typical neo-comm[/QUOTE] I agree. Have they found a Stargate yet?

03-30-2010, 10:49 AM	#10
Jets Things All Pro Join Date: May 2003 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace Posts: 9,426	[QUOTE=quantum;3541303]I agree. Have they found a Stargate yet?[/QUOTE] Ya ya deebyo? [IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG]

03-30-2010, 11:06 AM	#11
BURGERMIKE All Hailing the Queen of Cupholders! Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 3,771	[QUOTE=Jets Things;3541313]Ya ya deebyo? [IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Is that Cecil from "Mr Deeds"?

03-30-2010, 02:09 PM	#12
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=Jets Things;3541313]Ya ya deebyo? [IMG]http://www.thedeadbolt.com/images/erick_avari_stargate_b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] All I got is a Snickers....

03-30-2010, 02:37 PM	#13
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,409	Obama killed my father...and raped my mother!

03-30-2010, 02:49 PM	#14
Revi$_I$l@nd is Cro-ing H.A.M...Whatever that means Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,489	[QUOTE=Untouchable;3541572]Obama killed my father...and raped my mother![/QUOTE] This is a big f*cking deal.

03-30-2010, 02:59 PM	#15
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3541042] Little is known about this shadowy pharaoh. [/QUOTE] Hey, how about that. Their leader and our leader were both born in Africa.

03-30-2010, 03:16 PM	#16
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,029	[QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;3541577]This is a big f*cking deal.[/QUOTE] LMFAO!! :P

03-30-2010, 03:18 PM	#17
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=Untouchable;3541572]Obama killed my father...and raped my mother![/QUOTE] Thats nuttin..... He killed my mother and raped my father! whahapin

03-31-2010, 10:00 PM	#18
Jet_Engine1 Stictly an observer. All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 3,855	Djoser was such a lib....and too bad the New Stargate show sucks.