Would it be a Debbie Downer if Kareem Jackson is the pick?

augustiniak · 04-13-2010, 03:29 PM

he doesn't improve the pass rush or run defense. He clearly becomes the #3 cb right away, and is the perfect hedge if/when cromartie leaves or implodes. Taking Jackson is arguably consistent with BAP approach, and addresses a need when the jets play teams with troublesome slot wrs (ie, Colts, Pats). It also allows the jets to take a DE in the 2nd round, where it's easier to trade up and there are a few DEs around who would be good fits in the jets scheme.

FreshBaked 24 7 · 04-13-2010, 03:48 PM

I just don't see it happening to begin with

we have money tied into revis and probably more money tied into cromartie if he plays well this year I do't think we'll pay first round money to a nickle CB as opposed to replacing some of the big contract guys in the front 7 and our offensive line

TheThinkingJet · 04-13-2010, 03:49 PM

These were all things i was hearing about Kareem Jackson so i had to find film on him. Sadly when i wacthed multiple games on him i was very disappointed in what i saw. whenever the WR made a cut he struggled to stay with them, and it really felt like his hips were very stiff. If he had to cover Wes Welker it would not help us. i know that his straight line speed is good, but that doesn't mean every thing for DBs.

Flaming Mo · 04-13-2010, 03:51 PM

I would be ok with it. He is a talented player and fits our defense as he is extremely physical and tough. In today's league you basically can never have enough good cornerbacks.

Of course I would much rather have a guy like Kindle or Graham there...

JetsFanJim · 04-13-2010, 04:08 PM

Yes, I can easily name 29 players I would prefer to have over Jackson

Buzzsaw · 04-13-2010, 04:12 PM

I want us to draft a corner but I like Kyle Wilson and Devin McCourty more. Dunno, guess I'd have to defer to Rex and the scouting team if they took Jackson.

He doesn't play special's though right?

Untouchable · 04-13-2010, 04:24 PM

Definitely not.

He makes my Top 5 at CB

1. Joe Haden
2. Kyle Wilson
3. Devin McCourty
4. Kareem Jackson
5. Dominique Franks

Haden and Wilson will most likely be off the board by #29. McCourty may be gone as well.

I still think we're doing DL or CB in the 1st.

Joseph, Odrick, Cody, McCourty, and Jackson are all names I'd be happy with. I'm not against taking a passrusher like Hughes or a safety like Mays either if he slips.

Seriously, just give me a defensive player who can make an impact and I'll be thrilled. I trust our front office and coaching staff on this. Rex knows defensive talent and Bradway/Clinkscales are two of the best scouts in the business.

crasherino · 04-13-2010, 04:32 PM

Besides QB and RB, the Jets can really go BAP (for the most part, anyway). I don't think CB is our biggest need right now, but if the BAP was clearly a CB, I think you can make the argument that they'll pull the trigger. Cro is on a 1 yr deal and you can never have enough cover CBs in a Rex Ryan Defense.

I doubt that Kareem Jackson is the BAP at 29 though. It would more likely be a case of K. Wilson dropping and the Jets can't pass up a value like that. For them to go CB, it needs to be a case of a CB being the BAP by a clear margin.

TheThinkingJet · 04-13-2010, 04:38 PM

The Best man to man coverage corner in this draft is Perrish Cox, and he is also a strong hitter. Our defense can be much better if we add more man coverage players, and IMO Perrish Cox is the best at that, and we can get him in round two.

A key game to watch is Okalahoma St vs Georgia where he faced off against AJ Green and shut him down that day.

bitonti · 04-13-2010, 04:44 PM

he's another Justin Miller. big hitter, fast. Questionable instincts and ball skills. unlike Miller, has had injury problems. I'd be Meh about this pick.

Id take perrish cox over him any day... even tho most rank jackson higher.

gangGREENinsider · 04-13-2010, 08:25 PM

No, not at 29. But he fits our scheme like a glove. If we trade down from our first and up form our second, I hope we target him.

hollywoodjet · 04-13-2010, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitonti

he's another Justin Miller. big hitter, fast. Questionable instincts and ball skills. unlike Miller, has had injury problems. I'd be Meh about this pick.

Id take perrish cox over him any day... even tho most rank jackson higher.

Perrish Cox would be my 2nd corner after haden.

plus you get a guy in the return game.

with his charcter concerns i hope he drops at 61.

FijiJet · 04-14-2010, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshBaked 24 7

I just don't see it happening to begin with

we have money tied into revis and probably more money tied into cromartie if he plays well this year I do't think we'll pay first round money to a nickle CB as opposed to replacing some of the big contract guys in the front 7 and our offensive line

Yeah, and certainly wouldn't want him in the first - we must address the DL before selecting another CB

SenorGato · 04-14-2010, 12:55 AM

Dominique Franks ftw.

04-13-2010, 03:29 PM	#1
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,133	Would it be a Debbie Downer if Kareem Jackson is the pick? he doesn't improve the pass rush or run defense. He clearly becomes the #3 cb right away, and is the perfect hedge if/when cromartie leaves or implodes. Taking Jackson is arguably consistent with BAP approach, and addresses a need when the jets play teams with troublesome slot wrs (ie, Colts, Pats). It also allows the jets to take a DE in the 2nd round, where it's easier to trade up and there are a few DEs around who would be good fits in the jets scheme.

04-13-2010, 03:48 PM	#2
FreshBaked 24 7 wait...wha? 0_o All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,697	I just don't see it happening to begin with we have money tied into revis and probably more money tied into cromartie if he plays well this year I do't think we'll pay first round money to a nickle CB as opposed to replacing some of the big contract guys in the front 7 and our offensive line

04-13-2010, 03:49 PM	#3
TheThinkingJet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 12	These were all things i was hearing about Kareem Jackson so i had to find film on him. Sadly when i wacthed multiple games on him i was very disappointed in what i saw. whenever the WR made a cut he struggled to stay with them, and it really felt like his hips were very stiff. If he had to cover Wes Welker it would not help us. i know that his straight line speed is good, but that doesn't mean every thing for DBs.

04-13-2010, 03:51 PM	#4
Flaming Mo All League Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: St. Peter-Ording (Germany) Posts: 4,638	I would be ok with it. He is a talented player and fits our defense as he is extremely physical and tough. In today's league you basically can never have enough good cornerbacks. Of course I would much rather have a guy like Kindle or Graham there...

04-13-2010, 04:08 PM	#5
JetsFanJim All League Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 511	Yes, I can easily name 29 players I would prefer to have over Jackson

04-13-2010, 04:12 PM	#6
Buzzsaw Jets Insider VIP Board Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26,340	I want us to draft a corner but I like Kyle Wilson and Devin McCourty more. Dunno, guess I'd have to defer to Rex and the scouting team if they took Jackson. He doesn't play special's though right?

04-13-2010, 04:24 PM	#7
Untouchable Big whoop, wanna fight about it? Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,473	Definitely not. He makes my Top 5 at CB 1. Joe Haden 2. Kyle Wilson 3. Devin McCourty 4. Kareem Jackson 5. Dominique Franks Haden and Wilson will most likely be off the board by #29. McCourty may be gone as well. I still think we're doing DL or CB in the 1st. Joseph, Odrick, Cody, McCourty, and Jackson are all names I'd be happy with. I'm not against taking a passrusher like Hughes or a safety like Mays either if he slips. Seriously, just give me a defensive player who can make an impact and I'll be thrilled. I trust our front office and coaching staff on this. Rex knows defensive talent and Bradway/Clinkscales are two of the best scouts in the business.

04-13-2010, 04:32 PM	#8
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,937	Besides QB and RB, the Jets can really go BAP (for the most part, anyway). I don't think CB is our biggest need right now, but if the BAP was clearly a CB, I think you can make the argument that they'll pull the trigger. Cro is on a 1 yr deal and you can never have enough cover CBs in a Rex Ryan Defense. I doubt that Kareem Jackson is the BAP at 29 though. It would more likely be a case of K. Wilson dropping and the Jets can't pass up a value like that. For them to go CB, it needs to be a case of a CB being the BAP by a clear margin.

04-13-2010, 04:38 PM	#9
TheThinkingJet Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 12	The Best man to man coverage corner in this draft is Perrish Cox, and he is also a strong hitter. Our defense can be much better if we add more man coverage players, and IMO Perrish Cox is the best at that, and we can get him in round two. A key game to watch is Okalahoma St vs Georgia where he faced off against AJ Green and shut him down that day.

04-13-2010, 04:44 PM	#10
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	he's another Justin Miller. big hitter, fast. Questionable instincts and ball skills. unlike Miller, has had injury problems. I'd be Meh about this pick. Id take perrish cox over him any day... even tho most rank jackson higher.

04-13-2010, 08:25 PM	#11
gangGREENinsider All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 8,232	No, not at 29. But he fits our scheme like a glove. If we trade down from our first and up form our second, I hope we target him.

04-14-2010, 12:55 AM	#14
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	Dominique Franks ftw.