Yankees vs. Mariners @ Yankee Stadium

Tyler Durden · 06-28-2010, 03:23 PM

SEATTLE MARINERS VS. NEW YORK YANKEES

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Tuesday: Cliff Lee, LHP (6-3, 2.39) vs. Phil Hughes, RHP (10-1, 3.17) @ 7:05 PM

Wednesday: Felix Hernandez, RHP (5-5, 3.28) vs. Javier Vazquez, RHP (6-6, 5.16) @ 7:05 PM

Thursday: Ryan Rowland-Smith, LHP (1-7, 6.18) vs. CC Sabathia, LHP (9-3, 3.49) @ 1:05 PM

IHATEDOLPHINS · 06-28-2010, 05:12 PM

damn we gotta face Lee and King Felix...ugh

Cool Papa B. · 06-28-2010, 05:17 PM

I wish there was a way to have CC pitch against either Lee or Felix. I don't feel comfortable having Vazquez pitch against Felix.

el_dub80 · 06-28-2010, 06:49 PM

I'm hopeful for a sweep or 2 outta 3

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 04:30 PM

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Chad Huffman LF
Francisco Cervelli C

Cool Papa B. · 06-29-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Chad Huffman LF
Francisco Cervelli C

I hope Joe is just giving Gardner an extra day off to rest his hand and not because his hand is seriously injured.

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 04:37 PM

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I hope Joe is just giving Gardner an extra day off to rest his hand and not because his hand is seriously injured.

They had x-rays and showed nothing but a bruise.

Revi$_I$l@nd · 06-29-2010, 05:41 PM

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They had x-rays and showed nothing but a bruise.

el_dub80 · 06-29-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Papa B.

I hope Joe is just giving Gardner an extra day off to rest his hand and not because his hand is seriously injured.

Jeez, he's like an egg out there

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 08:43 PM

Awful start for Hughes.. worst of the season...isn't a huge surprise after being skipped and having not pitched in 10 days. Yankees will get hammered in the media for it.

Gholstons Revenge · 06-29-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Awful start for Hughes.. worst of the season...isn't a huge surprise after being skipped and having not pitched in 10 days. Yankees will get hammered in the media for it.

well the Joba rules worked out pretty well for the Yanks also.

IHATEDOLPHINS · 06-29-2010, 08:46 PM

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Awful start for Hughes.. worst of the season...isn't a huge surprise after being skipped and having not pitched in 10 days. Yankees will get hammered in the media for it.

Yep I actually figured he would have a rough start tonight after being skipped.

How big do you think Lee's contract will be.How much $ and years will the Yanks have to go?

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 08:49 PM

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Yep I actually figured he would have a rough start tonight after being skipped.

How big do you think Lee's contract will be.How much $ and years will the Yanks have to go?

He'll want Lackey and Burnett money.

Which is 5 years/$82.5 ($16.5 per)

JetPotato · 06-29-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham

Did the Yankees not learn their lesson after screwing up one brilliant young pitcher with these idiot rules?

DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT TWO?

How many times do we have to present years and years of evidence that back the rules? I'd love to see your evidence behind the fact that Joba's "screwed up" as a direct result of the rules.

But you're right, let's blow a regular season game in June against Seattle so out of proportion that we risk a promising guy's future

Think the Cubs wished they had followed something similar with Prior and Wood?

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 09:39 PM

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CLIFF LEE

I would offer the Mariners Vasquez or Burnett (their choice) and Gary Sanchez or Austine Romine (their choice)

1. You Gotta Give Quality to acquire this caliber SP, so spare me the crocodile tears over Sanchez or Romine

2. We can afford to deal a blue chip catching prospect because we're dealing from strength (loaded at catcher)

3. If they want the blue chip young catcher as they reportedly do, they have to take the Vasquez or Burnett contract

Ham why don't you seem to understand this?

Why would the Mariners trade for a rental in Vazquez? and why the hell would they want to take on Burnett's contract? The Mariners are holding all the cards, they are not competing this year, so them taking on money makes 0 sense. If they wanted to pay someone a lot of money, why wouldn't they just hold on to Lee? and take the draft picks after the season.

Austin Romine and Eduardo Nunez and or a pitcher would probably get us Lee. I doubt they would want Gary Sanchez, he's 17 years old in the Gulf Coast League. I wouldn't do that off course. I want Lee... after the season.

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 09:49 PM

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I think a lot of the recent trouble had to do with steroids, that's my guess, because there was never a big problem with young pitchers blowing their arms out until the steroids era (Prior, Wood, Liriano, Gagne, etc.) ... that's when this became a big problem, but with roids out of the game I don't think you'll see as many young pitchers breaking down.

JMO

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...veruse-fatigue

Here is thread with a whole list of pitchers who's careers stalled or ended because of overuse. Obviously Sandy Koufax stands out. His career ended at age 30. And cocaine gets too much blame for Dwight Gooden's demise. The Mets ran him into the ground.

JetPotato · 06-29-2010, 09:59 PM

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BTW, Nolan Ryan has taken the opposite approach with his young pitchers in Texas

He wants them throwing more innings, not less ... the way he and his peers did it as young pitchers, which is something Jim Kaat always advocated on the air as well ... so now it will be interesting to see if it backfires

The theory isn't based on absolute total innings. It's on progressive buildup of innings. Meaning a guy who throws 120 in year 1 should not jump right up to 200 the next season. Because years and years of data have proven that significantly increases a pitcher's risk.

You're off on your Nolan Ryan thing a bit too. Ryan's change of approach is focused much more on throwing more pitches. In his estimation, the 100 pitch limit is nothing but a number with no real basis other than being a nice round milestone number. So he's throwing that out the window. But he's not going to have a guy double his inning output from one year to the next. He knows better than that.

k.Rhodes25 · 06-29-2010, 10:06 PM

Cliff Lee is sure going to look good in pinstripes next year.

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham

Understand what?

Don't act like the you have to school me, cause you happen to be wrong.

No you're wrong. You don't understand that a team that is rebuilding is not going to trade for an expiring contract. They are the one's trading expiring contracts, not the other way around. They want prospects or young players on rookie contracts. Someone they can rebuild with. It's not complicated.

Tyler Durden · 06-29-2010, 10:35 PM

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What is Austine Romine?

What is Eduardo Nunez?

And again, if they have to take Vasquez for a few months to get the other two for the long haul, why not?

What does it cost them?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

They wouldn't take him for a few months, they would trade him for more prospects. If Romine and Nunez are going to Seattle for Lee, Vazquez wouldn't be involved. We could trade Vazquez to the Mets or someone else who could use him for a postseason run.

06-28-2010, 03:23 PM	#1
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	Yankees vs. Mariners @ Yankee Stadium SEATTLE MARINERS VS. NEW YORK YANKEES .......... Tuesday: Cliff Lee, LHP (6-3, 2.39) vs. Phil Hughes, RHP (10-1, 3.17) @ 7:05 PM Wednesday: Felix Hernandez, RHP (5-5, 3.28) vs. Javier Vazquez, RHP (6-6, 5.16) @ 7:05 PM Thursday: Ryan Rowland-Smith, LHP (1-7, 6.18) vs. CC Sabathia, LHP (9-3, 3.49) @ 1:05 PM

06-28-2010, 05:12 PM	#2
IHATEDOLPHINS growing tired of rex ryan All League Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,028	damn we gotta face Lee and King Felix...ugh

06-28-2010, 05:17 PM	#3
Cool Papa B. playing today All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Medford,NY Posts: 2,144	I wish there was a way to have CC pitch against either Lee or Felix. I don't feel comfortable having Vazquez pitch against Felix.

06-28-2010, 06:49 PM	#4
el_dub80 With the 1st pick of the 2014 draft, the NY Jets select ... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,294	I'm hopeful for a sweep or 2 outta 3

06-29-2010, 04:30 PM	#5
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	Derek Jeter SS Nick Swisher RF Mark Teixeira 1B Alex Rodriguez 3B Robinson Cano 2B Jorge Posada DH Curtis Granderson CF Chad Huffman LF Francisco Cervelli C

06-29-2010, 08:43 PM	#10
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	Awful start for Hughes.. worst of the season...isn't a huge surprise after being skipped and having not pitched in 10 days. Yankees will get hammered in the media for it.

06-29-2010, 10:06 PM	#18
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,875	Cliff Lee is sure going to look good in pinstripes next year.