Defense: Are We Better then Average

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 06:03 PM

After todays game, I have come to the conclusion that the defense is not championship calibre.

1. No pass rush even when they blitz. No pressure from Pace or Taylor and our interior guys are primarily run stoppers.

2. Past Revis and Cromarte, we have a weak secondary. That secondary has been exposed over the last four weeks. Safety play is very average.

3. Undisciplined---lots of blown coverages the last four weeks.

Anyhow, this is a huge disappointment in that I thought the Defense was among the tops in the NFL.

iahawkeyejet · 11-21-2010, 06:08 PM

Yes they are better than average on defense. Are they good as most of us thought they would be or hoped they would be? Probably not, but a lot of people were expecting the '85 Bears. They are still an above average, actually they are a pretty good defense, just wouldn't consider them dominating.

Did you take into consideration that the Texans are a very strong offensive team? Also, that 10 of their points came off of Jet turnovers.

Flaming Mo · 11-21-2010, 06:11 PM

Well, I think a lot of us hoped for an all world defense again yet there are a few reasons why we can forget about that this year: No Kris Jenkins, average at best safeties, no pass rush.

What has to happen this year so we can atleast be very very good: Calvin Pace has to step up and our safeties have to play better.

Next year: Get a ballhawking, athletic safety, get a stud edge rusher and add more team speed.

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 06:16 PM

Excellent analysis my friends. Perhaps Pace is hurt? I think we would all agree that Jason Taylor is finished as a pass rusher.

iahawkeyejet · 11-21-2010, 06:33 PM

I'm not really sure what the deal with Pace is, but he isn't close to the level he was at last year.

Roger Vick · 11-21-2010, 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=iahawkeyejet;3828002]I'm not really sure what the deal with Pace is, but he isn't close to the level he was at last year.[/QUOTE]

He's off the juice.

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 06:38 PM

Voila---time to roid up.

Vin · 11-21-2010, 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3827915] No Kris Jenkins, [/QUOTE]

Didn't we miss Kris Jenkins last year, though? We had an all-world Defense with JUST Revis in the Secondary.....

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 06:44 PM

Yeah--we played much better defense last year even with Jenkins out---Lets be honest---Rex has been figured out--the Emperor Has No Cloths--ie. no pass rush.

Vin · 11-21-2010, 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=rextilleon;3828036]Yeah--we played much better defense last year even with Jenkins out---Lets be honest---Rex has been figured out--the Emperor Has No Cloths--ie. no pass rush.[/QUOTE]

Thank God Rex doesn't follow the Emperor's Lead....I don't think I'd want to see his "Abs". :D

tedtedthefootballhead · 11-21-2010, 06:59 PM

the problem as I see it, and it's already been said...
a) no pass rush unless we send the house
b) even when we send the house, we don't get there fast enough, QB can throw into our soft midsection
c) midsection is soft BECAUSE we sent everyone and there's not enough left to cover the underneath

i doubt it will get fixed. we just don't have the speed to get to the QB with the guys we are rushing.

if we're to win this year, it's our offense that's going to have to bail out the 'd' shortcomings. special teams returns is average. need a dynamic & explosive KR.
Brad Smith is commendable, but it takes a huge hole to bust him loose. he's thinking too much back there instead of just picking a spot and taking off.

nycdan · 11-21-2010, 07:17 PM

Gholston pretty much had a sack today. The cavalry is coming over the hill as we speak.

I'm worried about next week. Revis and Cromartie should keep the covers on TO and Ocho, but this feels like one of those trap games again.

jetsonly · 11-21-2010, 07:28 PM

Average is being kind at this point. Don't ya think?

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 07:30 PM

[QUOTE=Vin;3828053]Thank God Rex doesn't follow the Emperor's Lead....I don't think I'd want to see his "Abs". :D[/QUOTE]

Now don't go homoerotic on me.

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 07:31 PM

The deal is teams don't even attempt to throw towards the Island or Cromagnom. There is plenty of space open to them with the rest of the secondary and linebacker coverage. No rushy, no Super Bowl.

PS. I think that the Emperor thought that Wilson would turn instantly into another Revis---he might some day but he is a work in progress.

jetlifer · 11-21-2010, 07:37 PM

there are tons of mental errors with blown coverages...I hope they correct it before we see Mr Brady.

JetsCrazey · 11-21-2010, 07:54 PM

Depth on the d-line is an issue. They are really missing Jenkins. Nobody has replaced him in the rotation. Pouha, Devito and Ellis are good but they can't take so many snaps, they need one more run-stopper in the rotation.

I was surprised they didn't bring back Marques Douglas, he played a lot of snaps last year and did well.

Pace may still be affected by his broken foot. He had 3 screws put in his foot. Bryan Thomas is no pass rusher either. Adalius Thomas would have been an interesting addition.

rextilleon · 11-21-2010, 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=JetsCrazey;3828264]Depth on the d-line is an issue. Pouha, Devito and Ellis are good but they can't take so many snaps, they need one more run-stopper in the rotation.

I was surprised they didn't bring back Marques Douglas, he played a lot of snaps last year and did well.

Pace may still be affected by his broken foot. He had 3 screws put in his foot. Bryan Thomas is no pass rusher either. Adalius Thomas would have been an interesting addition.[/QUOTE]

Good points--although we are pretty much stuck with what we have.

11-21-2010, 06:03 PM	#1
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	Defense: Are We Better then Average After todays game, I have come to the conclusion that the defense is not championship calibre. 1. No pass rush even when they blitz. No pressure from Pace or Taylor and our interior guys are primarily run stoppers. 2. Past Revis and Cromarte, we have a weak secondary. That secondary has been exposed over the last four weeks. Safety play is very average. 3. Undisciplined---lots of blown coverages the last four weeks. Anyhow, this is a huge disappointment in that I thought the Defense was among the tops in the NFL.

11-21-2010, 06:08 PM	#2
iahawkeyejet On Iowa All League Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,651	Yes they are better than average on defense. Are they good as most of us thought they would be or hoped they would be? Probably not, but a lot of people were expecting the '85 Bears. They are still an above average, actually they are a pretty good defense, just wouldn't consider them dominating. Did you take into consideration that the Texans are a very strong offensive team? Also, that 10 of their points came off of Jet turnovers. Last edited by iahawkeyejet; 11-21-2010 at 06:14 PM.

11-21-2010, 06:11 PM	#3
Flaming Mo All League Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: St. Peter-Ording (Germany) Posts: 4,638	Well, I think a lot of us hoped for an all world defense again yet there are a few reasons why we can forget about that this year: No Kris Jenkins, average at best safeties, no pass rush. What has to happen this year so we can atleast be very very good: Calvin Pace has to step up and our safeties have to play better. Next year: Get a ballhawking, athletic safety, get a stud edge rusher and add more team speed.

11-21-2010, 06:16 PM	#4
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	Excellent analysis my friends. Perhaps Pace is hurt? I think we would all agree that Jason Taylor is finished as a pass rusher.

11-21-2010, 06:33 PM	#5
iahawkeyejet On Iowa All League Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,651	I'm not really sure what the deal with Pace is, but he isn't close to the level he was at last year.

11-21-2010, 06:35 PM	#6
Roger Vick Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,533	[QUOTE=iahawkeyejet;3828002]I'm not really sure what the deal with Pace is, but he isn't close to the level he was at last year.[/QUOTE] He's off the juice.

11-21-2010, 06:38 PM	#7
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	Voila---time to roid up.

11-21-2010, 06:40 PM	#8
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,130	[QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3827915] No Kris Jenkins, [/QUOTE] Didn't we miss Kris Jenkins last year, though? We had an all-world Defense with JUST Revis in the Secondary.....

11-21-2010, 06:44 PM	#9
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	Yeah--we played much better defense last year even with Jenkins out---Lets be honest---Rex has been figured out--the Emperor Has No Cloths--ie. no pass rush.

11-21-2010, 06:50 PM	#10
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,130	[QUOTE=rextilleon;3828036]Yeah--we played much better defense last year even with Jenkins out---Lets be honest---Rex has been figured out--the Emperor Has No Cloths--ie. no pass rush.[/QUOTE] Thank God Rex doesn't follow the Emperor's Lead....I don't think I'd want to see his "Abs". :D

11-21-2010, 06:59 PM	#11
tedtedthefootballhead Are the J.E.T.S. ready for the next level? (Hopefully before I DIE) All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Windsor NJ, Brooklyn born & raised Posts: 4,966	the problem as I see it, and it's already been said... a) no pass rush unless we send the house b) even when we send the house, we don't get there fast enough, QB can throw into our soft midsection c) midsection is soft BECAUSE we sent everyone and there's not enough left to cover the underneath i doubt it will get fixed. we just don't have the speed to get to the QB with the guys we are rushing. if we're to win this year, it's our offense that's going to have to bail out the 'd' shortcomings. special teams returns is average. need a dynamic & explosive KR. Brad Smith is commendable, but it takes a huge hole to bust him loose. he's thinking too much back there instead of just picking a spot and taking off.

11-21-2010, 07:17 PM	#12
nycdan I'm tired of pretending I'm not a total b1tchen rock star from Mars. All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Thornwood, NY Posts: 4,782	Gholston pretty much had a sack today. The cavalry is coming over the hill as we speak. I'm worried about next week. Revis and Cromartie should keep the covers on TO and Ocho, but this feels like one of those trap games again.

11-21-2010, 07:28 PM	#13
jetsonly Rookie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 676	Average is being kind at this point. Don't ya think?

11-21-2010, 07:30 PM	#14
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	[QUOTE=Vin;3828053]Thank God Rex doesn't follow the Emperor's Lead....I don't think I'd want to see his "Abs". :D[/QUOTE] Now don't go homoerotic on me.

11-21-2010, 07:31 PM	#15
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	The deal is teams don't even attempt to throw towards the Island or Cromagnom. There is plenty of space open to them with the rest of the secondary and linebacker coverage. No rushy, no Super Bowl. PS. I think that the Emperor thought that Wilson would turn instantly into another Revis---he might some day but he is a work in progress.

11-21-2010, 07:37 PM	#16
jetlifer hopes that John Idzik can clean up this mess Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 843	there are tons of mental errors with blown coverages...I hope they correct it before we see Mr Brady.

11-21-2010, 07:54 PM	#17
JetsCrazey All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,665	Depth on the d-line is an issue. They are really missing Jenkins. Nobody has replaced him in the rotation. Pouha, Devito and Ellis are good but they can't take so many snaps, they need one more run-stopper in the rotation. I was surprised they didn't bring back Marques Douglas, he played a lot of snaps last year and did well. Pace may still be affected by his broken foot. He had 3 screws put in his foot. Bryan Thomas is no pass rusher either. Adalius Thomas would have been an interesting addition.

11-21-2010, 07:55 PM	#18
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	[QUOTE=JetsCrazey;3828264]Depth on the d-line is an issue. Pouha, Devito and Ellis are good but they can't take so many snaps, they need one more run-stopper in the rotation. I was surprised they didn't bring back Marques Douglas, he played a lot of snaps last year and did well. Pace may still be affected by his broken foot. He had 3 screws put in his foot. Bryan Thomas is no pass rusher either. Adalius Thomas would have been an interesting addition.[/QUOTE] Good points--although we are pretty much stuck with what we have.