Comment Shoots Down Years of GOP Terrorism Lies

Jetdawgg · 05-04-2011, 10:03 AM

[url]http://foknewschannel.com/video/a-special-comment-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden/[/url]

The comment deals extensively with how Republican campaigns to portray Democrats as soft on terrorism and weak on defense are "as dead as Bin Laden,".

jetswin · 05-04-2011, 10:32 AM

Keith Oberman? pass...let's see what Pelosi has to say

[B][URL]http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/05/03/intellectual-dishonesty-of-na%0Ancy-pelosi/[/URL][/B]

[B]Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:[/B][INDENT][E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.
[/INDENT][B]And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:[/B][INDENT]The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .

[/INDENT]

shakin318 · 05-04-2011, 10:43 AM

2 years ago JSOC was "Cheney's assassination ring" according to Olberdouche. I guess he figures nobody would remember this because nobody watched his show:

[url]

PlumberKhan · 05-04-2011, 11:08 AM

Hey John...we'll call if we need someone to be a crappy pilot and shoot a missile into the deck of a carrier. Thanks bye.

[url]

Tyler Durden · 05-04-2011, 11:36 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4020741]Hey John...we'll call if we need someone to be a crappy pilot and shoot a missile into the deck of a carrier. Thanks bye.

[url]

MnJetFan · 05-04-2011, 11:44 AM

How about Clinton he had him dead in his sites and let him go! If it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.

Tyler Durden · 05-04-2011, 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4020781]f it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html[/url]

[QUOTE]One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment—including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times—repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity....
Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques "didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information." He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, “everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work."

....

In 2002 and 2003, interrogators first heard about a Qaeda courier who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, but his name was just one tidbit in heaps of uncorroborated claims....

According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was "retired" and of little significance.

In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture.

Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time — which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden.

The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was “quite cooperative,” saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief....

After Mr. Libi was captured in May 2005 and turned over to the C.I.A., he too was asked. He denied knowing Mr. Kuwaiti and gave a different name for Bin Laden’s courier, whom he called Maulawi Jan. C.I.A. analysts would never find such a person and eventually concluded that the name was Mr. Libi’s invention, the official recalled.

Again, the C.I.A. has said Mr. Libi was not waterboarded, and details of his treatment are not known. But anticipating his interrogation, the agency pressured the Justice Department days after his capture for a new set of legal memorandums justifying the most brutal methods.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][T]here are two points that seem key in assessing the torture question. First, both KSM and al-Libi had critical intelligence they withheld under torture. KSM knew of Abu Ahmed's trusted role and real name; al-Libi knew Abu Ahmed was OBL’s trusted courier and may have known of what became OBL’s compound.

And neither of them revealed that information to the CIA.

They waterboarded KSM 183 times in a month, and he either never got asked about couriers guarding OBL, or he avoided answering the question honestly. Had KSM revealed that detail, Bush might have gotten OBL 8 years ago.

And just as importantly, the whole time KSM was shielding Abu Ahmed’s true identity while being waterboarded, KSM was also lying to the CIA about where OBL was. When asked what things he lied about under torture at his 2007 CSRT hearing, KSM specifically said he first said he didn’t know of OBL’s whereabouts, and then confirmed false locations for him, in response to the torture.[/QUOTE]

JetsFan2012 · 05-04-2011, 12:09 PM

What the hell is Fok News Channel?

Tyler Durden · 05-04-2011, 12:11 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;4020807]What the hell is Fok News Channel?[/QUOTE]

Keith Olbermans website no one reads.

quantum · 05-04-2011, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020810]Keith Olbermans website no one reads.[/QUOTE]

I bet its all in caps.

DeanPatsFan · 05-04-2011, 12:36 PM

[QUOTE=quantum;4020829]I bet its all in caps.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking crayon.....

MnJetFan · 05-05-2011, 07:47 AM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020801]Wrong.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Funny Pinetta said the word in his press conference. Look it up! Enhanced interrogation!

bitonti · 05-05-2011, 09:54 AM

i dont think these were GOP lies

the Democrats really were soft on terror

from JFK Bay of Pigs to JimmY Carter Iran Hostage to Clinton Blackhawk down and other failures the Democrats really sucked at this part of the job.

Obama did better than all these guys put together.

MnJetFan · 05-05-2011, 12:57 PM

Because of Bin Laden?

Jungle Shift Jet · 05-05-2011, 02:34 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4021725]i dont think these were GOP lies

the Democrats really were soft on terror

from JFK Bay of Pigs to JimmY Carter Iran Hostage to Clinton Blackhawk down and other failures the Democrats really sucked at this part of the job.

Obama did better than all these guys put together.[/QUOTE]

I'm particularly impressed how B. Hussein started from scratch! :rolleyes:

Jet_Engine1 · 05-05-2011, 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020775]:clapper:

The better man won.[/QUOTE]

The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?!

Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.

shakin318 · 05-05-2011, 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4022261]The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?!

Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.[/QUOTE]

Yep. But it takes a man to understand that.

Tyler Durden · 05-05-2011, 04:44 PM

First of all, f--k yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero, is still a prick. To the way he divorced his first wife to the slection of someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP when things looked bleak in the campaign.

TerminatorJet · 05-05-2011, 04:51 PM

I dunno Come Back to NY was telling me for years Obama wasa terrorist and not an American and helping terrorists. And now I hear he might have ordred OBL's death. What am I to believe. uh

Tucker134 · 05-05-2011, 04:56 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4022337]First of all. Go f*ck yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero ( so is Timothy McVeigh, doesn't change the fact he's a mass murderer) lost a lot of respect when he selected someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP. Whatever shot he had to win went out the window. That pick is black mark on his record and I would have to guess he regrets making it, not because he lost, but because he convinced by his operatives that he had to make a big splash.. Obama was the right man for the job, McCain was not. Obviously the American people as country agreed.[/QUOTE]

John McCain & Timothy McVeigh are not comparable in any way, shape or form...that is just ridiculous, TD

05-04-2011, 10:03 AM	#1
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	Comment Shoots Down Years of GOP Terrorism Lies [url]http://foknewschannel.com/video/a-special-comment-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden/[/url] The comment deals extensively with how Republican campaigns to portray Democrats as soft on terrorism and weak on defense are "as dead as Bin Laden,".

05-04-2011, 12:06 PM	#7
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4020781]f it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.[/QUOTE] Wrong. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html[/url] [QUOTE]One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment—including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times—repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity.... Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques "didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information." He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, “everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work." .... In 2002 and 2003, interrogators first heard about a Qaeda courier who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, but his name was just one tidbit in heaps of uncorroborated claims.... According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was "retired" and of little significance. In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture. Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time — which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden. The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was “quite cooperative,” saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief.... After Mr. Libi was captured in May 2005 and turned over to the C.I.A., he too was asked. He denied knowing Mr. Kuwaiti and gave a different name for Bin Laden’s courier, whom he called Maulawi Jan. C.I.A. analysts would never find such a person and eventually concluded that the name was Mr. Libi’s invention, the official recalled. Again, the C.I.A. has said Mr. Libi was not waterboarded, and details of his treatment are not known. But anticipating his interrogation, the agency pressured the Justice Department days after his capture for a new set of legal memorandums justifying the most brutal methods.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][T]here are two points that seem key in assessing the torture question. First, both KSM and al-Libi had critical intelligence they withheld under torture. KSM knew of Abu Ahmed's trusted role and real name; al-Libi knew Abu Ahmed was OBL’s trusted courier and may have known of what became OBL’s compound. And neither of them revealed that information to the CIA. They waterboarded KSM 183 times in a month, and he either never got asked about couriers guarding OBL, or he avoided answering the question honestly. Had KSM revealed that detail, Bush might have gotten OBL 8 years ago. And just as importantly, the whole time KSM was shielding Abu Ahmed’s true identity while being waterboarded, KSM was also lying to the CIA about where OBL was. When asked what things he lied about under torture at his 2007 CSRT hearing, KSM specifically said he first said he didn’t know of OBL’s whereabouts, and then confirmed false locations for him, in response to the torture.[/QUOTE] Last edited by Tyler Durden; 05-04-2011 at 12:10 PM.

05-05-2011, 04:44 PM	#18
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	First of all, f--k yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero, is still a prick. To the way he divorced his first wife to the slection of someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP when things looked bleak in the campaign. Last edited by Tyler Durden; 05-05-2011 at 04:57 PM.

05-04-2011, 10:32 AM	#2
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,461	Keith Oberman? pass...let's see what Pelosi has to say [B][URL]http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/05/03/intellectual-dishonesty-of-na%0Ancy-pelosi/[/URL][/B] [B]Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:[/B][INDENT][E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer. [/INDENT][B]And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:[/B][INDENT]The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . . [/INDENT]

05-04-2011, 10:43 AM	#3
shakin318 Beslubbering beef-witted lout Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Funkytown Posts: 7,175	2 years ago JSOC was "Cheney's assassination ring" according to Olberdouche. I guess he figures nobody would remember this because nobody watched his show: [url]

05-04-2011, 11:08 AM	#4
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	Hey John...we'll call if we need someone to be a crappy pilot and shoot a missile into the deck of a carrier. Thanks bye. [url]

05-04-2011, 11:36 AM	#5
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4020741]Hey John...we'll call if we need someone to be a crappy pilot and shoot a missile into the deck of a carrier. Thanks bye. [url]

05-04-2011, 11:44 AM	#6
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	How about Clinton he had him dead in his sites and let him go! If it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.

05-04-2011, 12:09 PM	#8
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	What the hell is Fok News Channel?

05-04-2011, 12:11 PM	#9
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=pauliec;4020807]What the hell is Fok News Channel?[/QUOTE] Keith Olbermans website no one reads.

05-04-2011, 12:31 PM	#10
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,884	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020810]Keith Olbermans website no one reads.[/QUOTE] I bet its all in caps.

05-04-2011, 12:36 PM	#11
DeanPatsFan Lib Free Or Die..... All Pro Annoying Chowd Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,123	[QUOTE=quantum;4020829]I bet its all in caps.[/QUOTE] I'm thinking crayon.....

05-05-2011, 07:47 AM	#12
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020801]Wrong. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html[/url][/QUOTE] Funny Pinetta said the word in his press conference. Look it up! Enhanced interrogation!

05-05-2011, 09:54 AM	#13
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	i dont think these were GOP lies the Democrats really were soft on terror from JFK Bay of Pigs to JimmY Carter Iran Hostage to Clinton Blackhawk down and other failures the Democrats really sucked at this part of the job. Obama did better than all these guys put together.

05-05-2011, 12:57 PM	#14
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	Because of Bin Laden?

05-05-2011, 02:34 PM	#15
Jungle Shift Jet Occasionally stoops to uploading hotties pix to boost his postcount All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,035	[QUOTE=bitonti;4021725]i dont think these were GOP lies the Democrats really were soft on terror from JFK Bay of Pigs to JimmY Carter Iran Hostage to Clinton Blackhawk down and other failures the Democrats really sucked at this part of the job. Obama did better than all these guys put together.[/QUOTE] I'm particularly impressed how B. Hussein started from scratch! :rolleyes:

05-05-2011, 03:45 PM	#16
Jet_Engine1 Stictly an observer. All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 3,855	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4020775]:clapper: The better man won.[/QUOTE] The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?! Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.

05-05-2011, 03:59 PM	#17
shakin318 Beslubbering beef-witted lout Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Funkytown Posts: 7,175	[QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4022261]The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?! Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.[/QUOTE] Yep. But it takes a man to understand that.

05-05-2011, 04:51 PM	#19
TerminatorJet is making lotsa $$ off Schotty's stupidity! Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,348	I dunno Come Back to NY was telling me for years Obama wasa terrorist and not an American and helping terrorists. And now I hear he might have ordred OBL's death. What am I to believe. uh

05-05-2011, 04:56 PM	#20
Tucker134 Let's go Isles! All League Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,984	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4022337]First of all. Go f*ck yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero ( so is Timothy McVeigh, doesn't change the fact he's a mass murderer) lost a lot of respect when he selected someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP. Whatever shot he had to win went out the window. That pick is black mark on his record and I would have to guess he regrets making it, not because he lost, but because he convinced by his operatives that he had to make a big splash.. Obama was the right man for the job, McCain was not. Obviously the American people as country agreed.[/QUOTE] John McCain & Timothy McVeigh are not comparable in any way, shape or form...that is just ridiculous, TD