NFL.com video - Kyle Wilson a bust?

jxc · 07-18-2011, 12:44 PM

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820d20b0/article/powerhouse-patriots-should-continue-to-contend-in-afc?module=HP11_cp[/url]

My.Favorite.Martin · 07-18-2011, 12:56 PM

They were basically making fun of retarded Jets fans that call players a bust after 1 season.

Joe W. Namath · 07-18-2011, 01:05 PM

After 1 year, he is a total bust. He was the worst cb I have ever seen play in the national football league. He couldnt cover anyone, he couldnt find the football, no feeling of when to get his head around and look for the ball etc etc etc.

He was that awful. it was embarassing watching him.

Hopefully, he will turn it around this year.

PaPZ187 · 07-18-2011, 01:20 PM

A bust? After one season?

While he did struggle, especially in the begining of the season his main problem was getting his head turned around and finding the ball in time, something that is expected as a rookie as they are getting adjusted to the speed of the game. Add in the fact that playing in this scheme is very demanding on a CB, alot of one on one coverage, playing opposite of pro bowl caliber CBs in Revis and Cro, its a given he was going to make mistakes and get beat as a rookie.

I expect Wilson to make solid improvements this year and by his 3rd year be at the [B]VERY LEAST[/B] a solid to good starting CB in the NFL.

Schroy48 · 07-18-2011, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=jxc;4063362][url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820d20b0/article/powerhouse-patriots-should-continue-to-contend-in-afc?module=HP11_cp[/url][/QUOTE]

How could he not be? Everything he does is just mentally WRONG.

How did we ever get the scouting so wrong on this guy?

Perhaps we were only focused on the Rutgers dude who wound up on the Pats? ;)

Schroy48 · 07-18-2011, 01:27 PM

[QUOTE=PaPZ187;4063388]I expect Wilson to make solid improvements this year and by his 3rd year be at the [B]VERY LEAST[/B] a solid to good starting CB in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Based on what? Give me one stat or a single play to indicate hope for this guy - please. TY

Joe W. Namath · 07-18-2011, 01:37 PM

Lets not forget he got benched punt returning as well.

He rookie season was a complete an utter disaster.

I hope he turns it around but i am not expecting much.

PaPZ187 · 07-18-2011, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=Schroy48;4063392]Based on what? Give me one stat or a single play to indicate hope for this guy - please. TY[/QUOTE]

There are no stats (especially for a position like CB) that can tell anyone that, it is what I saw with my eyes.

Look at the Ravens game for example, he had very good position on vets like TJ most of the night in 1 on 1 situations, he just didnt get his head around in time to make a play on the ball, that should come in time as he plays more and the game slows down for him.

Its fine if you dont think he will or dont agree, but IMO from what I have seen alot of his mistakes are correctable and are normal for the majority of rookie CBs, I expect to see solid improvement this season and by next year he should be a solid starter for us.

BarneyFife · 07-18-2011, 02:26 PM

Kyle Wilson is not a bust...he's only played 1 season. Rex's defensive playbook isn't exactly a coloring book. Give this kid some time to develop.

Timmy® · 07-18-2011, 02:32 PM

[QUOTE=BarneyFife;4063424]Kyle Wilson is not a bust...he's only played 1 season. Rex's defensive playbook isn't exactly a coloring book. Give this kid some time to develop.[/QUOTE]

he's a bust so far. maybe he'll turn it around, but for now....busted.

BarneyFife · 07-18-2011, 02:36 PM

[QUOTE=Timmy®;4063429]he's a bust so far. maybe he'll turn it around, but for now....busted.[/QUOTE]
That's ridiculous.

If he hasn't shown any improvement by year 3...then I'll agree. But after 1 year? C'mon now.

Joe W. Namath · 07-18-2011, 02:48 PM

He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.)

but he is not a bust so far?????

BarneyFife · 07-18-2011, 02:52 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063452]He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.)

but he is not a bust so far?????[/QUOTE]
Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs and led the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie season....I guess Peyton should've been labeled a bust too. :rolleyes:

Give Kyle some time to develop.

This "OH GAWD, HE'S A BUST" talk after 1 season is a tad narrow-minded.

My.Favorite.Martin · 07-18-2011, 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063452]He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.)

but he is not a bust so far?????[/QUOTE]

Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.

BarneyFife · 07-18-2011, 02:56 PM

[QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4063464]Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.[/QUOTE]
someone finally "gets" it. :)

*standing ovation*

PaPZ187 · 07-18-2011, 02:59 PM

[QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4063464]Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.[/QUOTE]

+1

Savage69 · 07-18-2011, 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=BarneyFife;4063457] [B]Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs [/B]and led the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie season....I guess Peyton should've been labeled a bust too. :rolleyes:

Give Kyle some time to develop.

This "OH GAWD, HE'S A BUST" talk after 1 season is a tad narrow-minded.[/QUOTE]

Yep but he also had 26 tds..:yes: 1 season is to soon to call anyone a bust.. If he shows no improvement this year he may be headed to Ghost town to keep Vern company..

BarneyFife · 07-18-2011, 03:12 PM

[QUOTE=Savage69;4063486]Yep but he also had 26 tds..:yes: 1 season is to soon to call anyone a bust.. If he shows no improvement this year he may be headed to Ghost town to keep Vern company..[/QUOTE]
yes, I understand he threw 26TDs as well.....but in his first year, the negatives outweighed the positives....and the point I was trying to get across was that it's way too early to throw in the towel on his career.

Like some in this thread want to with Kyle Wilson.

sackdance · 07-18-2011, 03:14 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063371]
He was that awful. it was embarassing watching him.

Hopefully, he will turn it around this year.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if he was the worst cb I've ever seen - but he was a disaster.

He was drafted to contribute immediately. We had other needs that could have been addressed.

Not only did he not contribute but he was a weak link at all times and never showed a lick of improvement.

At this point, it's I HOPE he turns it around, and not I THINK he will.

My.Favorite.Martin · 07-18-2011, 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=sackdance;4063495]I don't know if he was the worst cb I've ever seen - but he was a disaster.

He was drafted to contribute immediately. We had other needs that could have been addressed.

Not only did he not contribute but he was a weak link at all times and [B]never showed a lick of improvement[/B].

At this point, it's I HOPE he turns it around, and not I THINK he will.[/QUOTE]

Please rewatch Wilson vs. Stevie Johnson.

07-18-2011, 12:44 PM	#1
jxc All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,990	NFL.com video - Kyle Wilson a bust? [url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820d20b0/article/powerhouse-patriots-should-continue-to-contend-in-afc?module=HP11_cp[/url]

07-18-2011, 12:56 PM	#2
My.Favorite.Martin Banned Banned Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,817	They were basically making fun of retarded Jets fans that call players a bust after 1 season.

07-18-2011, 01:05 PM	#3
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,819	After 1 year, he is a total bust. He was the worst cb I have ever seen play in the national football league. He couldnt cover anyone, he couldnt find the football, no feeling of when to get his head around and look for the ball etc etc etc. He was that awful. it was embarassing watching him. Hopefully, he will turn it around this year.

07-18-2011, 01:20 PM	#4
PaPZ187 NO paper bag over my face...still GREEN and WHITE till I die! All League Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lawrence, MA Posts: 3,063	A bust? After one season? While he did struggle, especially in the begining of the season his main problem was getting his head turned around and finding the ball in time, something that is expected as a rookie as they are getting adjusted to the speed of the game. Add in the fact that playing in this scheme is very demanding on a CB, alot of one on one coverage, playing opposite of pro bowl caliber CBs in Revis and Cro, its a given he was going to make mistakes and get beat as a rookie. I expect Wilson to make solid improvements this year and by his 3rd year be at the [B]VERY LEAST[/B] a solid to good starting CB in the NFL.

07-18-2011, 01:26 PM	#5
Schroy48 aka JETMAN73 - Your friendly neighbor in the next section ;) Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,910	[QUOTE=jxc;4063362][url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820d20b0/article/powerhouse-patriots-should-continue-to-contend-in-afc?module=HP11_cp[/url][/QUOTE] How could he not be? Everything he does is just mentally WRONG. How did we ever get the scouting so wrong on this guy? Perhaps we were only focused on the Rutgers dude who wound up on the Pats? ;)

07-18-2011, 01:27 PM	#6
Schroy48 aka JETMAN73 - Your friendly neighbor in the next section ;) Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,910	[QUOTE=PaPZ187;4063388]I expect Wilson to make solid improvements this year and by his 3rd year be at the [B]VERY LEAST[/B] a solid to good starting CB in the NFL.[/QUOTE] Based on what? Give me one stat or a single play to indicate hope for this guy - please. TY

07-18-2011, 01:37 PM	#7
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,819	Lets not forget he got benched punt returning as well. He rookie season was a complete an utter disaster. I hope he turns it around but i am not expecting much.

07-18-2011, 02:14 PM	#8
PaPZ187 NO paper bag over my face...still GREEN and WHITE till I die! All League Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lawrence, MA Posts: 3,063	[QUOTE=Schroy48;4063392]Based on what? Give me one stat or a single play to indicate hope for this guy - please. TY[/QUOTE] There are no stats (especially for a position like CB) that can tell anyone that, it is what I saw with my eyes. Look at the Ravens game for example, he had very good position on vets like TJ most of the night in 1 on 1 situations, he just didnt get his head around in time to make a play on the ball, that should come in time as he plays more and the game slows down for him. Its fine if you dont think he will or dont agree, but IMO from what I have seen alot of his mistakes are correctable and are normal for the majority of rookie CBs, I expect to see solid improvement this season and by next year he should be a solid starter for us.

07-18-2011, 02:26 PM	#9
BarneyFife Embrace the Weird Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mayberry Posts: 0	Kyle Wilson is not a bust...he's only played 1 season. Rex's defensive playbook isn't exactly a coloring book. Give this kid some time to develop.

07-18-2011, 02:32 PM	#10
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,471	[QUOTE=BarneyFife;4063424]Kyle Wilson is not a bust...he's only played 1 season. Rex's defensive playbook isn't exactly a coloring book. Give this kid some time to develop.[/QUOTE] he's a bust so far. maybe he'll turn it around, but for now....busted.

07-18-2011, 02:36 PM	#11
BarneyFife Embrace the Weird Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mayberry Posts: 0	[QUOTE=Timmy®;4063429]he's a bust so far. maybe he'll turn it around, but for now....busted.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. If he hasn't shown any improvement by year 3...then I'll agree. But after 1 year? C'mon now.

07-18-2011, 02:48 PM	#12
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,819	He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) but he is not a bust so far?????

07-18-2011, 02:52 PM	#13
BarneyFife Embrace the Weird Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mayberry Posts: 0	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063452]He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) but he is not a bust so far?????[/QUOTE] Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs and led the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie season....I guess Peyton should've been labeled a bust too. :rolleyes: Give Kyle some time to develop. This "OH GAWD, HE'S A BUST" talk after 1 season is a tad narrow-minded.

07-18-2011, 02:54 PM	#14
My.Favorite.Martin Banned Banned Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,817	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063452]He was drafted to help us at corner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) He also was supposed to be our punt returner(which he was terrible at and got demoted.) but he is not a bust so far?????[/QUOTE] Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.

07-18-2011, 02:56 PM	#15
BarneyFife Embrace the Weird Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mayberry Posts: 0	[QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4063464]Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.[/QUOTE] someone finally "gets" it. :) standing ovation

07-18-2011, 02:59 PM	#16
PaPZ187 NO paper bag over my face...still GREEN and WHITE till I die! All League Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lawrence, MA Posts: 3,063	[QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4063464]Wilson had a disappointing first year. Calling any player a bust or a "bust so far" after one year shows zero understanding of player development. Many NFL players take 2-3 years before making a big impact.[/QUOTE] +1

07-18-2011, 03:07 PM	#17
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,275	[QUOTE=BarneyFife;4063457] [B]Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs [/B]and led the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie season....I guess Peyton should've been labeled a bust too. :rolleyes: Give Kyle some time to develop. This "OH GAWD, HE'S A BUST" talk after 1 season is a tad narrow-minded.[/QUOTE] Yep but he also had 26 tds..:yes: 1 season is to soon to call anyone a bust.. If he shows no improvement this year he may be headed to Ghost town to keep Vern company..

07-18-2011, 03:12 PM	#18
BarneyFife Embrace the Weird Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mayberry Posts: 0	[QUOTE=Savage69;4063486]Yep but he also had 26 tds..:yes: 1 season is to soon to call anyone a bust.. If he shows no improvement this year he may be headed to Ghost town to keep Vern company..[/QUOTE] yes, I understand he threw 26TDs as well.....but in his first year, the negatives outweighed the positives....and the point I was trying to get across was that it's way too early to throw in the towel on his career. Like some in this thread want to with Kyle Wilson.

07-18-2011, 03:14 PM	#19
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,882	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4063371] He was that awful. it was embarassing watching him. Hopefully, he will turn it around this year.[/QUOTE] I don't know if he was the worst cb I've ever seen - but he was a disaster. He was drafted to contribute immediately. We had other needs that could have been addressed. Not only did he not contribute but he was a weak link at all times and never showed a lick of improvement. At this point, it's I HOPE he turns it around, and not I THINK he will.

07-18-2011, 03:17 PM	#20
My.Favorite.Martin Banned Banned Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,817	[QUOTE=sackdance;4063495]I don't know if he was the worst cb I've ever seen - but he was a disaster. He was drafted to contribute immediately. We had other needs that could have been addressed. Not only did he not contribute but he was a weak link at all times and [B]never showed a lick of improvement[/B]. At this point, it's I HOPE he turns it around, and not I THINK he will.[/QUOTE] Please rewatch Wilson vs. Stevie Johnson.