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MnJetFan · 08-23-2011, 08:51 AM

Syria, talk about human rights violations how about mowing people down in the streets by the hundreds. This Tyrant makes Quadaffi look like a saint!

sackdance · 08-23-2011, 10:01 AM

[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4113847]Syria, talk about human rights violations how about mowing people down in the streets by the hundreds. This Tyrant makes Quadaffi look like a saint![/QUOTE]
No prob. We'll just finance British and French sorties until civil war ousts the strongman. The excitement of democracy will provide an Islamic theocracy which will, in short order, produce a new strongman who will mow down Syrians by the hundreds in times of duress.

Trades · 08-23-2011, 10:06 AM

Syria was the right move for Bush instead of Iraq in the long run anyway. They were much more rogue and supporting terrorists and there is a good chance that would have pulled Saddam into the war anyway. 2 birds one stone. This could have stablized the area much more than just fighting Iraq did.

Now do we open yet another front while we have 2 ground wars and Lybia? Where is the money coming from? I guess that is one way to pull out of Iraq, just tell the troops to move west.

MnJetFan · 08-23-2011, 10:39 AM

Just another Arab Spring!

JetPotato · 08-23-2011, 10:55 AM

Bomb them! Butt in! Kill! Kill! Without regard for long term consequence!

After all, it's just an economic stimulus.

chiefst2000 · 08-23-2011, 11:46 AM

Syria is a completely different situation from Lybia. The Alawites are 12% of the Syrian population. Syria's entire upper eschelon of their military is made up of Alawites from Assads clan. The uprising by the Shiites in Syria is a existential threat to the Alawites. Let me be clear. If the Shiites took control of the country they would slaughter the Alawites in a fashion similar to what happened in Rowanda. For that reason Assad will never give up power there. He would need to be removed by force. The protestors in Syria are not armed. They are essentially attempting a peaceful revolution. This will not work there. The Alawites believe that if the Shia take control they will kill them all.

Buster · 08-23-2011, 12:02 PM

As Per Wikipedia

Syria has a population of 22 million

Libya has a population of 6.5 million

Big difference

JetPotato · 08-23-2011, 12:02 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4114043]Syria is a completely different situation from Lybia. The Alawites are 12% of the Syrian population. Syria's entire upper eschelon of their military is made up of Alawites from Assads clan. The uprising by the Shiites in Syria is a existential threat to the Alawites. Let me be clear. If the Shiites took control of the country they would slaughter the Alawites in a fashion similar to what happened in Rowanda. For that reason Assad will never give up power there. He would need to be removed by force. The protestors in Syria are not armed. They are essentially attempting a peaceful revolution. This will not work there. The Alawites believe that if the Shia take control they will kill them all.[/QUOTE]

Syria is exactly the same as Libya in that it has nothing to do with the biggest problems facing the United States right now.

Buster · 08-23-2011, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4114061]Syria is exactly the same as Libya in that it has nothing to do with the biggest problems facing the United States right now.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.

Trades · 08-23-2011, 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=Buster;4114067]I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.[/QUOTE]

The one thing we should be focusing on is the USA. There was nothing to be gained in Lybia.

bitonti · 08-23-2011, 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=Trades;4114091]The one thing we should be focusing on is the USA. There was nothing to be gained in Lybia.[/QUOTE]

if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.

chiefst2000 · 08-23-2011, 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4114061]Syria is exactly the same as Libya in that it has nothing to do with the biggest problems facing the United States right now.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone here is advocating engaging Syria directly. Syria differs from Lybia in their direct ties to Iran. If we are discusing foreign policy, Iran is the number one threat to the US. They are actively at war against us. We are just to pigheaded to notice. Iran becomes an existential threat once they acquire nukes.

That said we have problems at home that are more pressing and serious at the moment. Our debt and deficits are barreling towards a very bad outcome. Mass inflation is on the horizon. 2011 is looking alot like 1978. Double dip recession followed by massive inflation. Weak president in over his head with no ideas on how to fix things.

Trades · 08-23-2011, 12:39 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4114095]if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.[/QUOTE]

That is a huge if. What makes you think these rebels will get the country turned around? Moreso, what makes you think they will be remotely interested in helping us? Lybia had been quiet since Reagan slapped them around. I think intervention was a mistake.

Buster · 08-23-2011, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=Trades;4114103]That is a huge if. What makes you think these rebels will get the country turned around? Moreso, what makes you think they will be remotely interested in helping us? Lybia had been quiet since Reagan slapped them around. I think intervention was a mistake.[/QUOTE]

Y’ever hear of capitalism?

It is something like when it is in both parties best financial interest to do business with each other they do.

The Libyan government that Reagan “slapped around” was the same Libyan government that NATO helped to topple.

MnJetFan · 08-23-2011, 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=Buster;4114067]I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.[/QUOTE]

That issue is our country!

Trades · 08-23-2011, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Buster;4114114]Y’ever hear of capitalism?

It is something like when it is in both parties best financial interest to do business with each other they do.

The Libyan government that Reagan “slapped around” was the same Libyan government that NATO helped to topple.[/QUOTE]

That was my point Buster. Reagan slapped them around and we haven't seen any real trouble from them since. They contributed to the oil market and so on. There is no guarantee that the next regime will be as controlled as Ghadafi has been or that they will even play in the market right away.

Piper · 08-23-2011, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4114095]if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.[/QUOTE]

What happened to all that free oil you said was behind Bush going into Iraq?

Buster · 08-23-2011, 01:29 PM

[QUOTE=Trades;4114128]That was my point Buster. Reagan slapped them around and we haven't seen any real trouble from them since. They contributed to the oil market and so on. There is no guarantee that the next regime will be as controlled as Ghadafi has been or that they will even play in the market right away.[/QUOTE]

I believe the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am flight 103 was in 1988. Reagan Bombed Libya in 1986.

Also, I believe Libya will need money and will therefore need to sell oil.

Buster · 08-23-2011, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=Piper;4114193]What happened to all that free oil you said was behind Bush going into Iraq?[/QUOTE]

It was the Bush Administration that said Iraq's oil money would pay for it's reconstruction. Problem is there are 34 million hungry Iraqi's in need of education.

Piper · 08-23-2011, 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=Buster;4114200]It was the Bush Administration that said Iraq's oil money would pay for it's reconstruction. Problem is there are 34 million hungry Iraqi's in need of education.[/QUOTE]

But the liberals kept pounding the 'war for oil' drum as the secret reason for Bush going in there...

08-23-2011, 08:51 AM	#1
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	What's Next Syria, talk about human rights violations how about mowing people down in the streets by the hundreds. This Tyrant makes Quadaffi look like a saint!

08-23-2011, 10:01 AM	#2
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,882	[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4113847]Syria, talk about human rights violations how about mowing people down in the streets by the hundreds. This Tyrant makes Quadaffi look like a saint![/QUOTE] No prob. We'll just finance British and French sorties until civil war ousts the strongman. The excitement of democracy will provide an Islamic theocracy which will, in short order, produce a new strongman who will mow down Syrians by the hundreds in times of duress.

08-23-2011, 10:06 AM	#3
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,550	Syria was the right move for Bush instead of Iraq in the long run anyway. They were much more rogue and supporting terrorists and there is a good chance that would have pulled Saddam into the war anyway. 2 birds one stone. This could have stablized the area much more than just fighting Iraq did. Now do we open yet another front while we have 2 ground wars and Lybia? Where is the money coming from? I guess that is one way to pull out of Iraq, just tell the troops to move west.

08-23-2011, 10:39 AM	#4
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	Just another Arab Spring!

08-23-2011, 10:55 AM	#5
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,117	Bomb them! Butt in! Kill! Kill! Without regard for long term consequence! After all, it's just an economic stimulus.

08-23-2011, 11:46 AM	#6
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,820	Syria is a completely different situation from Lybia. The Alawites are 12% of the Syrian population. Syria's entire upper eschelon of their military is made up of Alawites from Assads clan. The uprising by the Shiites in Syria is a existential threat to the Alawites. Let me be clear. If the Shiites took control of the country they would slaughter the Alawites in a fashion similar to what happened in Rowanda. For that reason Assad will never give up power there. He would need to be removed by force. The protestors in Syria are not armed. They are essentially attempting a peaceful revolution. This will not work there. The Alawites believe that if the Shia take control they will kill them all.

08-23-2011, 12:02 PM	#7
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,252	As Per Wikipedia Syria has a population of 22 million Libya has a population of 6.5 million Big difference

08-23-2011, 12:08 PM	#9
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,252	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4114061]Syria is exactly the same as Libya in that it has nothing to do with the biggest problems facing the United States right now.[/QUOTE] I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.

08-23-2011, 12:29 PM	#10
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,550	[QUOTE=Buster;4114067]I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.[/QUOTE] The one thing we should be focusing on is the USA. There was nothing to be gained in Lybia.

08-23-2011, 12:32 PM	#11
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Trades;4114091]The one thing we should be focusing on is the USA. There was nothing to be gained in Lybia.[/QUOTE] if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.

08-23-2011, 12:39 PM	#13
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,550	[QUOTE=bitonti;4114095]if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.[/QUOTE] That is a huge if. What makes you think these rebels will get the country turned around? Moreso, what makes you think they will be remotely interested in helping us? Lybia had been quiet since Reagan slapped them around. I think intervention was a mistake.

08-23-2011, 12:48 PM	#14
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,252	[QUOTE=Trades;4114103]That is a huge if. What makes you think these rebels will get the country turned around? Moreso, what makes you think they will be remotely interested in helping us? Lybia had been quiet since Reagan slapped them around. I think intervention was a mistake.[/QUOTE] Y’ever hear of capitalism? It is something like when it is in both parties best financial interest to do business with each other they do. The Libyan government that Reagan “slapped around” was the same Libyan government that NATO helped to topple.

08-23-2011, 12:52 PM	#15
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	[QUOTE=Buster;4114067]I agree with you that the USA should avoid getting into any more wars. But I disagree with you that it should be the policy of the USA to only focus on one issue.[/QUOTE] That issue is our country!

08-23-2011, 12:57 PM	#16
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,550	[QUOTE=Buster;4114114]Y’ever hear of capitalism? It is something like when it is in both parties best financial interest to do business with each other they do. The Libyan government that Reagan “slapped around” was the same Libyan government that NATO helped to topple.[/QUOTE] That was my point Buster. Reagan slapped them around and we haven't seen any real trouble from them since. They contributed to the oil market and so on. There is no guarantee that the next regime will be as controlled as Ghadafi has been or that they will even play in the market right away.

08-23-2011, 01:28 PM	#17
Piper Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: L.I. NY (where the Jets used to be from) Posts: 13,197	[QUOTE=bitonti;4114095]if the price of oil falls 10 dollars because Libya's rebellion comes to a speedy end, that helps the economy. Alot.[/QUOTE] What happened to all that free oil you said was behind Bush going into Iraq?

08-23-2011, 01:29 PM	#18
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,252	[QUOTE=Trades;4114128]That was my point Buster. Reagan slapped them around and we haven't seen any real trouble from them since. They contributed to the oil market and so on. There is no guarantee that the next regime will be as controlled as Ghadafi has been or that they will even play in the market right away.[/QUOTE] I believe the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am flight 103 was in 1988. Reagan Bombed Libya in 1986. Also, I believe Libya will need money and will therefore need to sell oil.

08-23-2011, 01:32 PM	#19
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,252	[QUOTE=Piper;4114193]What happened to all that free oil you said was behind Bush going into Iraq?[/QUOTE] It was the Bush Administration that said Iraq's oil money would pay for it's reconstruction. Problem is there are 34 million hungry Iraqi's in need of education.

08-23-2011, 01:36 PM	#20
Piper Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: L.I. NY (where the Jets used to be from) Posts: 13,197	[QUOTE=Buster;4114200]It was the Bush Administration that said Iraq's oil money would pay for it's reconstruction. Problem is there are 34 million hungry Iraqi's in need of education.[/QUOTE] But the liberals kept pounding the 'war for oil' drum as the secret reason for Bush going in there...