Sanchez's ESPN QBR Rating!??!?! - Page 4

OrangeJet · 09-13-2011, 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=tripside;4142161]Romo's 4th quater was rated at 10.2. His other 3 quarters were significantly higher.[/QUOTE]

Then clearly, "situations" aren't weighed properly.

If I make the best baked potato you ever had, then char the sh*t out of the steak...the dish is a failure. Romo failed...epically. He was NOT 3X better than Sanchez.

augustiniak · 09-13-2011, 12:55 PM

when you throw a pick with less than a minute to go in a tie game, who cares what the ranking is.

Rich Caster · 09-13-2011, 12:58 PM

espn is a dinasor. They are a joke. The NFL Network has made a jike out of espn. I think Sanchez will have a top 10 year, this year.

SlickBri481 · 09-13-2011, 01:04 PM

Passer rating is still by far the best formula to determine how well your QB threw the ball. It uses 4 great metrics:

Completion %
Yards per attempt
TD%
INT%

QBR is a crock and I'm tired already of ESPN shoving it down our throats. According to QBR, Matt Ryan had a better year than Aaron Rodgers last year and Eli had a better year than Philip Rivers. LMAO puh-leaze. ESPN is embarrassing themselves with this stat and it is not catching on at all. It's too subjective and confusing.

augustiniak · 09-13-2011, 01:09 PM

sanchez had an 88.7 qb ranking vs. cowboys. he had a 63 in his rookie yr and a 75 last yr.

John_0515 · 09-13-2011, 01:10 PM

Out of Sanchez's 24 career wins, 8 are come from behind, including 2 in the playoffs.

I guess that's a mistake/coincidence as well.

crasherino · 09-13-2011, 01:10 PM

[QUOTE=FF2®;4142160]Mods? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, pretty sure they've got it right.

John_0515 · 09-13-2011, 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=augustiniak;4142296]sanchez had an 88.7 qb ranking vs. cowboys. he had a 63 in his rookie yr and a 75 last yr.[/QUOTE]

In 5 years he'll be consistently in the 130's! :eek:

augustiniak · 09-13-2011, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4142313]In 5 years he'll be consistently in the 130's! :eek:[/QUOTE]

you know, the stats aren't that meaningful, but sometimes you can see trends in them. if sanchez finishes with a 90 qb rating or so, that would be great.

ozu · 09-13-2011, 01:22 PM

I much prefer DYAR.

[url]http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/week-1-quick-reads[/url]

[QUOTE]17. Mark Sanchez NYJ
King of clutch? Sanchez converted six third downs. Going into Monday night, only Drew Brees and Josh Freeman converted more. On the other hand, his 14 dropbacks on third down were one fewer than anyone else had, and not one of those dropbacks came with more than ten yards to go.[/QUOTE]

John_0515 · 09-13-2011, 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=augustiniak;4142324]you know, the stats aren't that meaningful, but sometimes you can see trends in them. if sanchez finishes with a 90 qb rating or so, that would be great.[/QUOTE]

LOL. He's improving all the time. Of people can't see that, oh well.

MACPAC · 09-13-2011, 01:25 PM

I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.

John_0515 · 09-13-2011, 01:25 PM

[QUOTE=OrangeJet;4142169]Then clearly, "situations" aren't weighed properly.

If I make the best baked potato you ever had, then char the sh*t out of the steak...the dish is a failure. Romo failed...epically. He was NOT 3X better than Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

Ask Pats fans who they'd rather face on a last minute drive. Romo or Señor Comeback-o?

KR · 09-13-2011, 01:27 PM

Please dont look at that bogus ESPN stat they are trying out for the first year. It might not even be around next month or next year.

If you want stats I wouldnt look at QB rating Either. I would focus on Footballoutsiders stats--I think they are by far the best anywhere......

Charlie Brown · 09-13-2011, 01:27 PM

[QUOTE=Foley21;4142069]I totally agree... that's why i started this thread. Not to argue about Sanchez's night, but to debate the validity of the QBR rating. I thought it was going to eventually take over for the QB Rating, but there is no way with a system like this.

I'm not saying Sanchez should have a HIGH number, but the fact that his number was SO low is insane to me. 17.6 out of 100? Really now?

I mean, seriously, McNabb was under 50% completion, had 39 YARDS and a pick with just one TD. 39 yards, seriously?!?! Sanchez had 2 COMPLETIONS over 30 yards and 2 more over 25. How can McNabb's QBR be better?!

Stats are flawed, but this stat is the most flawed I've ever seen![/QUOTE]

Thank you and those of us who are sane understood your initial post. :clapper:

John_0515 · 09-13-2011, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=MACPAC;4142340]I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but you can counter that by saying Dallas defense is way better than NE's and KC's.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 09-13-2011, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=MACPAC;4142340]I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.[/QUOTE]

Yes because Sanchez can't complete a fade route at the goal line when given 6 chances to do so...

I'd take Henne all day over a guy who can't do that...

SlickBri481 · 09-13-2011, 02:01 PM

[QUOTE=ozu;4142332]I much prefer DYAR.

[url]http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/week-1-quick-reads[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm not a huge fan of this stat either. Just looking at the article you can see on a one game sample how flawed it is when they list 9 other rookie QB performances better than Newton's, some which look like pedestrian games. It just tries to incorporate too much (DYAR) and it leaves you with a number that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People rag on passer rating all the time, but it's a great stat. If you want a real simple one that usually is very telling, yards per attempt is solid as well.

augustiniak · 09-13-2011, 02:04 PM

or you can go by the bill parcells metric, how many times a qb gets your team into the endzone.

quantum · 09-13-2011, 02:53 PM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4141906]I thought the QBR was supposed to factor in things like how much pressure you're facing...

If throwing for 320ish yards and 2 TD's (1 INT) while running for your life is deserved of a 17.6 'QBR' well, then their system is broken...[/QUOTE]

yeah - what happened to the "Wayne Hunter Curve"?! :mad:

09-13-2011, 12:21 PM	#61
OrangeJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,946	[QUOTE=tripside;4142161]Romo's 4th quater was rated at 10.2. His other 3 quarters were significantly higher.[/QUOTE] Then clearly, "situations" aren't weighed properly. If I make the best baked potato you ever had, then char the sh*t out of the steak...the dish is a failure. Romo failed...epically. He was NOT 3X better than Sanchez.

09-13-2011, 12:55 PM	#62
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,108	when you throw a pick with less than a minute to go in a tie game, who cares what the ranking is.

09-13-2011, 12:58 PM	#63
Rich Caster Rookie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 767	espn is a dinasor. They are a joke. The NFL Network has made a jike out of espn. I think Sanchez will have a top 10 year, this year.

09-13-2011, 01:04 PM	#64
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	Passer rating is still by far the best formula to determine how well your QB threw the ball. It uses 4 great metrics: Completion % Yards per attempt TD% INT% QBR is a crock and I'm tired already of ESPN shoving it down our throats. According to QBR, Matt Ryan had a better year than Aaron Rodgers last year and Eli had a better year than Philip Rivers. LMAO puh-leaze. ESPN is embarrassing themselves with this stat and it is not catching on at all. It's too subjective and confusing.

09-13-2011, 01:09 PM	#65
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,108	sanchez had an 88.7 qb ranking vs. cowboys. he had a 63 in his rookie yr and a 75 last yr.

09-13-2011, 01:10 PM	#66
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,129	Out of Sanchez's 24 career wins, 8 are come from behind, including 2 in the playoffs. I guess that's a mistake/coincidence as well.

09-13-2011, 01:10 PM	#67
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,826	[QUOTE=FF2®;4142160]Mods? :confused:[/QUOTE] Yeah, pretty sure they've got it right.

09-13-2011, 01:15 PM	#68
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,129	[QUOTE=augustiniak;4142296]sanchez had an 88.7 qb ranking vs. cowboys. he had a 63 in his rookie yr and a 75 last yr.[/QUOTE] In 5 years he'll be consistently in the 130's! :eek:

09-13-2011, 01:19 PM	#69
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,108	[QUOTE=John_0515;4142313]In 5 years he'll be consistently in the 130's! :eek:[/QUOTE] you know, the stats aren't that meaningful, but sometimes you can see trends in them. if sanchez finishes with a 90 qb rating or so, that would be great.

09-13-2011, 01:22 PM	#70
ozu in Section 135, Row 28. All League Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hoboken Posts: 3,922	I much prefer DYAR. [url]http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/week-1-quick-reads[/url] [QUOTE]17. Mark Sanchez NYJ King of clutch? Sanchez converted six third downs. Going into Monday night, only Drew Brees and Josh Freeman converted more. On the other hand, his 14 dropbacks on third down were one fewer than anyone else had, and not one of those dropbacks came with more than ten yards to go.[/QUOTE]

09-13-2011, 01:23 PM	#71
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,129	[QUOTE=augustiniak;4142324]you know, the stats aren't that meaningful, but sometimes you can see trends in them. if sanchez finishes with a 90 qb rating or so, that would be great.[/QUOTE] LOL. He's improving all the time. Of people can't see that, oh well.

09-13-2011, 01:25 PM	#72
MACPAC Life can be tough so take some advise. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,221	I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.

09-13-2011, 01:27 PM	#74
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	Please dont look at that bogus ESPN stat they are trying out for the first year. It might not even be around next month or next year. If you want stats I wouldnt look at QB rating Either. I would focus on Footballoutsiders stats--I think they are by far the best anywhere......

09-13-2011, 01:27 PM	#75
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,513	[QUOTE=Foley21;4142069]I totally agree... that's why i started this thread. Not to argue about Sanchez's night, but to debate the validity of the QBR rating. I thought it was going to eventually take over for the QB Rating, but there is no way with a system like this. I'm not saying Sanchez should have a HIGH number, but the fact that his number was SO low is insane to me. 17.6 out of 100? Really now? I mean, seriously, McNabb was under 50% completion, had 39 YARDS and a pick with just one TD. 39 yards, seriously?!?! Sanchez had 2 COMPLETIONS over 30 yards and 2 more over 25. How can McNabb's QBR be better?! Stats are flawed, but this stat is the most flawed I've ever seen![/QUOTE] Thank you and those of us who are sane understood your initial post. :clapper:

09-13-2011, 01:28 PM	#76
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,129	[QUOTE=MACPAC;4142340]I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, but you can counter that by saying Dallas defense is way better than NE's and KC's.

09-13-2011, 01:28 PM	#77
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,450	[QUOTE=MACPAC;4142340]I watched both the Fins game and the Jets games this weekend. I would take Henne over Sanchez all day long. The Bills also have a better QB than the Jets. If your D and special teams don't get it done, it ain't gettin done. Those QB ratings look spot on to me.[/QUOTE] Yes because Sanchez can't complete a fade route at the goal line when given 6 chances to do so... I'd take Henne all day over a guy who can't do that...

09-13-2011, 02:01 PM	#78
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	[QUOTE=ozu;4142332]I much prefer DYAR. [url]http://footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2011/week-1-quick-reads[/url][/QUOTE] I'm not a huge fan of this stat either. Just looking at the article you can see on a one game sample how flawed it is when they list 9 other rookie QB performances better than Newton's, some which look like pedestrian games. It just tries to incorporate too much (DYAR) and it leaves you with a number that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People rag on passer rating all the time, but it's a great stat. If you want a real simple one that usually is very telling, yards per attempt is solid as well.

09-13-2011, 02:04 PM	#79
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,108	or you can go by the bill parcells metric, how many times a qb gets your team into the endzone.

09-13-2011, 02:53 PM	#80
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,884	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4141906]I thought the QBR was supposed to factor in things like how much pressure you're facing... If throwing for 320ish yards and 2 TD's (1 INT) while running for your life is deserved of a 17.6 'QBR' well, then their system is broken...[/QUOTE] yeah - what happened to the "Wayne Hunter Curve"?! :mad: