Lack of insurance causes more than 44,000 U.S. deaths annually, study says

Buster · 09-15-2011, 10:47 PM

[URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=lack-of-insurance-causes-more-than-2009-09-17"]http://www.scientificamerican.com[/URL]

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Going without health insurance can delay when people obtain primary and preventative care, potentially resulting in poorer health. Even more gravely, a lack of private health insurance brings an increased risk of death; uninsurance is to blame for some 44,789 adult deaths across the U.S. every year, according to a new study published online today in the American Journal of Public Health.

The findings show that uninsured Americans—between the ages of 17 and 64—have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have private insurance. (Those enrolled in government insurance programs, such as Medicaid and Department of Veterans Affairs insurance, were excluded from the study.) About 46.3 million Americans didn't have health insurance as of 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, and the number is estimated to be higher now since the recession has forced many off of employer health plans.

Previous research by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) employing older data had put the risk of death due to uninsurance closer to 25 percent.

The authors analyzed information from surveys and health examinations of more than 9,000 people that was collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) between 1986 and 2000 and checked against death records. Even after controlling for age, gender, race, income, education, employment, smoking, alcohol use, assessed health and BMI, the researchers found "lack of health insurance significantly increased the risk of mortality," they wrote in the paper.

"We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease—but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications," Andrew Wilper, of the University of Washington Medical School in Seattle, and lead study author, said in a prepared statement.

Indeed, the authors concluded that their findings show that, "alternative measures of access to medical care for the uninsured, such as community health centers, do not provide the protection of private health insurance."

Intermittent insurance also appeared to take a toll on health, the authors wrote, although the survey provided no information on the effects of losing or gaining insurance, as it only recorded reported insurance status at the time the survey was taken.

"The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance," David Himmelstein, a study co-author and associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in a prepared statement. "Even this grim figure is an underestimate—now one dies every 12 minutes."

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JetPotato · 09-16-2011, 08:55 AM

Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy?

Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.?

:rolleyes:

AlbanyJet · 09-16-2011, 09:00 AM

[quote]Intermittent insurance also appeared to take a toll on health, the authors wrote, although [U]the survey provided no information on the effects of losing or gaining insurance[/U], as it only recorded reported insurance status at the time the survey was taken.[/quote] :confused:

:jets17

southparkcpa · 09-16-2011, 09:04 AM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy?

Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.?

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

This is a serious problem for many....

In my experience, a good portion (not all) of the people I know without health insurance are unwilling to take jobs of responsibilituy that provide insurance. they literally wont work at Home depot etc...

I do tax work for a few personal trainers, they do NOT make a lot of money. Accordingy, a few of them do not have insurance. these are young white men and women. They want to be trainers making 35K....fine.

Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a month employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.

quantum · 09-16-2011, 09:22 AM

Darwinism.

:dunno:

Warfish · 09-16-2011, 09:59 AM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy?

Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.?

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

It's a perfect example of political dishonesty and manipulation, a la "Multi Millionares and Billionaires" (Obama quote) is actually "over 200,000 a year".

Of course the lack of insurance didn't kill anyone. Nor will they be hoenst about why each person didn't have insurance in the first place. Nor will they factor in choice or personal responsabillity into the debate in any form. Nope, it's all an evil right-wing conspiracy by Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Big Oil to kill off the poor. Because they hate the poor. Like Nazis.

I don;t know about you Tater, but I believe them. Obama 2012!

FF2® · 09-16-2011, 10:03 AM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the [B]$125 a month[/B] employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE]

Hey, let me know where I can get this rate! :eek:

Warfish · 09-16-2011, 10:12 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;4146209]Hey, let me know where I can get this rate! :eek:[/QUOTE]

No idea, actually. I know my own costs quite a bit more.

But maybe there are cheaper options. Maybe look here (I'm not filling all of it out to find out). See what the cheapest option is for a decent HMO option.

[url]https://prospectivemembers.kaiserpermanente.org/kpweb/prospectivemembersbridge.do?gt=/kpweb/prospectivemembershomepage.do[/url]

Buster · 09-16-2011, 10:15 AM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy?

Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.?

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Did you read the article I posted?

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The authors analyzed information from surveys and health examinations of more than 9,000 people that was collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) between 1986 and 2000 and checked against death records. [B]Even after controlling for age, gender, race, income, education, employment, smoking, alcohol use, assessed health and BMI, the researchers found "lack of health insurance significantly increased the risk of mortality," they wrote in the paper[/B]
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"We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease—but [B]only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications[/B]," Andrew Wilper, of the University of Washington Medical School in Seattle, and lead study author, said in a prepared statement.
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PlumberKhan · 09-16-2011, 10:18 AM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a [B]week[/B] employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE]

Fixed. :rolleyes:

Nice try though.

Even POS poor a**holes who should just die wouldn't turn down insurance for $31.25 a week.

bitonti · 09-16-2011, 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4146197]It's a perfect example of political dishonesty and manipulation, a la "Multi Millionares and Billionaires" (Obama quote) is actually "over 200,000 a year". [/QUOTE]

who really cares. The rich are supposed to be "job creators" according to the right wing. If that's true they aren't very good at it.

Buster · 09-16-2011, 10:51 AM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]This is a serious problem for many....

In my experience, a good portion (not all) of the people I know without health insurance are unwilling to take jobs of responsibilituy that provide insurance. they literally wont work at Home depot etc...

I do tax work for a few personal trainers, they do NOT make a lot of money. Accordingy, a few of them do not have insurance. these are young white men and women. They want to be trainers making 35K....fine.

Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a month employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE]

Does Home Depot offer Health insurance?

And if they do offer it, is it offered to part-time employees?

PlumberKhan · 09-16-2011, 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=Buster;4146280]Does Home Depot offer Health insurance?[/QUOTE]

Begrudgingly.

They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.

piney · 09-16-2011, 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146290]Begrudgingly.

They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

no,no,no..corporations would never do that, if left alone with no regulations they would always make the right decision and treat their employees better than they do now, create more jobs, and bring in unheralded profits!

Gov't alone is the problem, corporations are utopia

brought to you by Carl's Jr.

PlumberKhan · 09-16-2011, 11:00 AM

[QUOTE=piney;4146297]no,no,no..corporations would never do that, if left alone with no regulations they would always make the right decision and treat their employees better than they do now, create more jobs, and bring in unheralded profits!

Gov't alone is the problem, corporations are utopia

brought to you by Carl's Jr.[/QUOTE]

They even like to help enable welfare fraud by sometimes issuing employees 2 separate checks...that way, the employee can show DSS the smaller paystub and qualify for welfare benefits.

Niiiiiiiiiicccce...

piney · 09-16-2011, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146310]They even like to help enable welfare fraud by sometimes issuing employees 2 separate checks...that way, the employee can show DSS the smaller paystub and qualify for welfare benefits.

Niiiiiiiiiicccce...[/QUOTE]

but Brawndo has electrolytes

quantum · 09-16-2011, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146290]Begrudgingly.

They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

and somehow, stuff like this hasn't stopped you from getting "free" healthcare.

you should write a book. :D

Warfish · 09-16-2011, 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4146278]who really cares.[/quote]

I do. I don't like liars.

I do like though, how you completely ignore the dishonesty, and shift instead to a totally different argument. Thats always fun.

bitonti · 09-16-2011, 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=piney;4146297]
brought to you by Carl's Jr.[/QUOTE]

nice an idiocracy reference

[url]

bitonti · 09-16-2011, 11:08 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4146328]I do. I don't like liars.

I do like though, how you completely ignore the dishonesty, and shift instead to a totally different argument. Thats always fun.[/QUOTE]

its not really dishonesty. both a billion and a million is over 200k technically
you are focusing on those making over 200k and aren't millionaires. but there are millionaires in that group, lots of em.

09-15-2011, 10:47 PM	#1
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,295	Lack of insurance causes more than 44,000 U.S. deaths annually, study says [URL="http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=lack-of-insurance-causes-more-than-2009-09-17"]http://www.scientificamerican.com[/URL] [QUOTE] Going without health insurance can delay when people obtain primary and preventative care, potentially resulting in poorer health. Even more gravely, a lack of private health insurance brings an increased risk of death; uninsurance is to blame for some 44,789 adult deaths across the U.S. every year, according to a new study published online today in the American Journal of Public Health. The findings show that uninsured Americans—between the ages of 17 and 64—have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have private insurance. (Those enrolled in government insurance programs, such as Medicaid and Department of Veterans Affairs insurance, were excluded from the study.) About 46.3 million Americans didn't have health insurance as of 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, and the number is estimated to be higher now since the recession has forced many off of employer health plans. Previous research by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) employing older data had put the risk of death due to uninsurance closer to 25 percent. The authors analyzed information from surveys and health examinations of more than 9,000 people that was collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) between 1986 and 2000 and checked against death records. Even after controlling for age, gender, race, income, education, employment, smoking, alcohol use, assessed health and BMI, the researchers found "lack of health insurance significantly increased the risk of mortality," they wrote in the paper. "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease—but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications," Andrew Wilper, of the University of Washington Medical School in Seattle, and lead study author, said in a prepared statement. Indeed, the authors concluded that their findings show that, "alternative measures of access to medical care for the uninsured, such as community health centers, do not provide the protection of private health insurance." Intermittent insurance also appeared to take a toll on health, the authors wrote, although the survey provided no information on the effects of losing or gaining insurance, as it only recorded reported insurance status at the time the survey was taken. "The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance," David Himmelstein, a study co-author and associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in a prepared statement. "Even this grim figure is an underestimate—now one dies every 12 minutes." [/QUOTE]

09-16-2011, 08:55 AM	#2
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,209	Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy? Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.? :rolleyes:

09-16-2011, 09:00 AM	#3
AlbanyJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,649	[quote]Intermittent insurance also appeared to take a toll on health, the authors wrote, although [U]the survey provided no information on the effects of losing or gaining insurance[/U], as it only recorded reported insurance status at the time the survey was taken.[/quote] :confused: :jets17

09-16-2011, 09:04 AM	#4
southparkcpa I see the 88 to 97 period all over again. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 15,918	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy? Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] This is a serious problem for many.... In my experience, a good portion (not all) of the people I know without health insurance are unwilling to take jobs of responsibilituy that provide insurance. they literally wont work at Home depot etc... I do tax work for a few personal trainers, they do NOT make a lot of money. Accordingy, a few of them do not have insurance. these are young white men and women. They want to be trainers making 35K....fine. Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a month employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.

09-16-2011, 09:22 AM	#5
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 18,031	Darwinism. :dunno:

09-16-2011, 09:59 AM	#6
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy? Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] It's a perfect example of political dishonesty and manipulation, a la "Multi Millionares and Billionaires" (Obama quote) is actually "over 200,000 a year". Of course the lack of insurance didn't kill anyone. Nor will they be hoenst about why each person didn't have insurance in the first place. Nor will they factor in choice or personal responsabillity into the debate in any form. Nope, it's all an evil right-wing conspiracy by Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Big Oil to kill off the poor. Because they hate the poor. Like Nazis. I don;t know about you Tater, but I believe them. Obama 2012!

09-16-2011, 10:03 AM	#7
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,589	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the [B]$125 a month[/B] employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE] Hey, let me know where I can get this rate! :eek:

09-16-2011, 10:12 AM	#8
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=FF2®;4146209]Hey, let me know where I can get this rate! :eek:[/QUOTE] No idea, actually. I know my own costs quite a bit more. But maybe there are cheaper options. Maybe look here (I'm not filling all of it out to find out). See what the cheapest option is for a decent HMO option. [url]https://prospectivemembers.kaiserpermanente.org/kpweb/prospectivemembersbridge.do?gt=/kpweb/prospectivemembershomepage.do[/url]

09-16-2011, 10:15 AM	#9
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,295	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4146090]Really? Lack of insurance [I]causes[/I] death? Is that what they came up with on the autopsy? Has nothing to do with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., etc.? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Did you read the article I posted? [QUOTE] The authors analyzed information from surveys and health examinations of more than 9,000 people that was collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) between 1986 and 2000 and checked against death records. [B]Even after controlling for age, gender, race, income, education, employment, smoking, alcohol use, assessed health and BMI, the researchers found "lack of health insurance significantly increased the risk of mortality," they wrote in the paper[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease—but [B]only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications[/B]," Andrew Wilper, of the University of Washington Medical School in Seattle, and lead study author, said in a prepared statement. [/QUOTE]

09-16-2011, 10:18 AM	#10
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,080	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a [B]week[/B] employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE] Fixed. :rolleyes: Nice try though. Even POS poor a**holes who should just die wouldn't turn down insurance for $31.25 a week.

09-16-2011, 10:50 AM	#11
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Warfish;4146197]It's a perfect example of political dishonesty and manipulation, a la "Multi Millionares and Billionaires" (Obama quote) is actually "over 200,000 a year". [/QUOTE] who really cares. The rich are supposed to be "job creators" according to the right wing. If that's true they aren't very good at it.

09-16-2011, 10:51 AM	#12
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,295	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4146099]This is a serious problem for many.... In my experience, a good portion (not all) of the people I know without health insurance are unwilling to take jobs of responsibilituy that provide insurance. they literally wont work at Home depot etc... I do tax work for a few personal trainers, they do NOT make a lot of money. Accordingy, a few of them do not have insurance. these are young white men and women. They want to be trainers making 35K....fine. Or....I have many clients with employees who opt put of the health insurance because the $125 a month employee contribution is too expensive so they go without. yet they have Iphones.[/QUOTE] Does Home Depot offer Health insurance? And if they do offer it, is it offered to part-time employees?

09-16-2011, 10:54 AM	#13
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,080	[QUOTE=Buster;4146280]Does Home Depot offer Health insurance?[/QUOTE] Begrudgingly. They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.

09-16-2011, 10:57 AM	#14
piney hip deep in dirty diapers All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,618	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146290]Begrudgingly. They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.[/QUOTE] no,no,no..corporations would never do that, if left alone with no regulations they would always make the right decision and treat their employees better than they do now, create more jobs, and bring in unheralded profits! Gov't alone is the problem, corporations are utopia brought to you by Carl's Jr.

09-16-2011, 11:00 AM	#15
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,080	[QUOTE=piney;4146297]no,no,no..corporations would never do that, if left alone with no regulations they would always make the right decision and treat their employees better than they do now, create more jobs, and bring in unheralded profits! Gov't alone is the problem, corporations are utopia brought to you by Carl's Jr.[/QUOTE] They even like to help enable welfare fraud by sometimes issuing employees 2 separate checks...that way, the employee can show DSS the smaller paystub and qualify for welfare benefits. Niiiiiiiiiicccce...

09-16-2011, 11:02 AM	#16
piney hip deep in dirty diapers All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,618	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146310]They even like to help enable welfare fraud by sometimes issuing employees 2 separate checks...that way, the employee can show DSS the smaller paystub and qualify for welfare benefits. Niiiiiiiiiicccce...[/QUOTE] but Brawndo has electrolytes

09-16-2011, 11:04 AM	#17
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 18,031	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4146290]Begrudgingly. They do everything they can to keep 95% of their employees at 36 hours a week to avoid it.[/QUOTE] and somehow, stuff like this hasn't stopped you from getting "free" healthcare. you should write a book. :D

09-16-2011, 11:06 AM	#18
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=bitonti;4146278]who really cares.[/quote] I do. I don't like liars. I do like though, how you completely ignore the dishonesty, and shift instead to a totally different argument. Thats always fun.

09-16-2011, 11:07 AM	#19
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=piney;4146297] brought to you by Carl's Jr.[/QUOTE] nice an idiocracy reference [url]

09-16-2011, 11:08 AM	#20
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Warfish;4146328]I do. I don't like liars. I do like though, how you completely ignore the dishonesty, and shift instead to a totally different argument. Thats always fun.[/QUOTE] its not really dishonesty. both a billion and a million is over 200k technically you are focusing on those making over 200k and aren't millionaires. but there are millionaires in that group, lots of em.