First-year HOF candidates

escamoter2 · 09-29-2011, 02:01 PM

First-Year Hall Candidates

[U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06
[U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06
[U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06
[U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006
[U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006
[U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06
[U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06
[U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06
[U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06
[U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006
[U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06

I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.

chillywilly · 09-29-2011, 02:04 PM

stephen davis and rod smith?? really? Were they even all-pros?

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 09-29-2011, 02:05 PM

None make it...

carlito1171 · 09-29-2011, 02:15 PM

This list looks blah to me. Parcells is the only sure bet. Will Shields shouldnt be too far behind.

FlagmanL11 · 09-29-2011, 02:20 PM

[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates

[U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06
[U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06
[U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06
[U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006
[U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006
[U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06
[U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06
[U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06
[U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06
[U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006
[U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06

I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE]

Parcells this year
Marty Schottenheimer in a few years

The Rest can forget it....

Batmans A Scientist · 09-29-2011, 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates

[U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06
[U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06
[U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06
[U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006
[U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006
[U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06
[U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06
[U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06
[U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06
[U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006
[U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06

I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE]

What a weak class, wow

SlickBri481 · 09-29-2011, 02:32 PM

Really weak class. Parcells should make it definitely. Shields maybe one day. Tiki did not play long enough at a high level. Some of the guys on the list were never really elite players.

Savage69 · 09-29-2011, 02:36 PM

[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates

[U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06
[U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06
[U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06
[U][/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006
[U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006
[U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06
[U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06
[U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06
[U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06
[U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006
[U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06

I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE]

Will Shields 12 Pro bowls 2 all pro (best bet)
Troy Vincent 5 pro bowls 1 all pro
Rod Smith 3 pro bowls
Stephen Davis 3 pro bowls
Tiki Barber 3 pro bowls 1 all pro
Drew Bledsoe 4 pro bowls
KJ 3 pro bowls

JStokes · 09-29-2011, 02:37 PM

Tiki is going to make it, then have to decline because the Pats are going to sign him to a mega 4 year deal.

How is the greatest player at his position not in the HOF? :huh:

They'll probably put Ray Guy in posthumously.

_

Savage69 · 09-29-2011, 02:44 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;4165741]Tiki is going to make it, then have to decline because the Pats are going to sign him to a mega 4 year deal.

How is the greatest player at his position not in the HOF? :huh:

They'll probably put Ray Guy in posthumously.

_[/QUOTE]

Did you know Tiki's full name is Atiim Kiambu Barber?? His brother is Jamael Oronde Barber.. :yes:

frankiepapa · 09-29-2011, 02:50 PM

Mike freaking Vanderjagt???? What is his claim to fame? His accurracy? Didn't he have a meltdown in the playoffs or in a big spot one year? Might as well make room for Nate Kaeding...

shuler82 · 09-29-2011, 03:18 PM

maybe this is the year they find room for Klecko?

Digetydog · 09-29-2011, 03:30 PM

Coaches: Only Cowher deserves to make it. Parcell will probably make it b/c NY media loves him. Shottenheimer – no shot.

The Above Average: Tiki Barber, Drew Bledsoe, Stephen Davis, Rod Smith, Troy Vincent, and Will Shields

The Average Player with Big Mouth (aka the “Ochocinco”): Keyshawn Johnson. Until Drew Pearson makes it in the HOF, this guy has ZERO shot.

Great, but plays the wrong position: Mike Vanderjagt – kickers have a hard time making it in. Given his issues with teammates, he won’t make it. Probably should.

JStokes · 09-29-2011, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE=Digetydog;4165842]Coaches: Only Cowher deserves to make it. Parcell will probably make it b/c NY media loves him. Shottenheimer – no shot.

[/QUOTE]

Not sure how Cowher deserves it and Parcells doesn't.

He won 2 SB and went to another, had a much higher winning percentage then BC, turned around a bunch of franchises including ours.

Not saying Cowher doesn't, but love him or hate him, BP absolutley does deserve to be in the HOF, notwithstanding what he did to the Jets at the end.

_

Phoenixx · 09-29-2011, 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;4165855]Not sure how Cowher deserves it and Parcells doesn't.

He won 2 SB and went to another, had a much higher winning percentage then BC, turned around a bunch of franchises including ours.

Not saying Cowher doesn't, but love him or hate him, BP absolutley does deserve to be in the HOF, notwithstanding what he did to the Jets at the end.

_[/QUOTE]

Parcells will make it as soon as this year.

Cowher will make it eventually.

BTW..Cowher (.623) had a much greater winning pct than Parcells (.570)

estang74 · 09-29-2011, 04:08 PM

Parcells took a bad Giants team and won two super bowls, he took the Pats, who were awful to the super bowl in less than 3 years, he took the Jets, who were awful to the AFC championship game and he also turned around the Cowboys. To do that with 4 different teams says a lot about his coaching. Cowher didn't do that. Cowher is a great coach but not better than Parcells. Only reason Cowher has higher winning percentage is because Parcells took over crap teams turned them around.

escamoter2 · 09-29-2011, 04:09 PM

[QUOTE=Savage69;4165749]Did you know Tiki's full name is Atiim Kiambu Barber?? His brother is Jamael Oronde Barber.. :yes:[/QUOTE]

Did you know that Tiki Barber is overrated? LOL What's the difference between him and Ricky Waters? I think Ricky Waters did the same things Tiki did, but in less years.

Savage69 · 09-29-2011, 04:11 PM

[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165916]Did you know that Tiki Barber is overrated? LOL What's the difference between him and Ricky Waters? I think Ricky Waters did the same things Tiki did, but in less years.[/QUOTE]

Tiki was the best back in NY from 02-06 overrated or not..:yes:

section314 · 09-29-2011, 04:20 PM

Tuna and Shields,and that's it. The rest of them are a joke. Is this a "Saturday Night Live " skit?

neevsmazda07 · 09-29-2011, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=SlickBri481;4165735]Really weak class. Parcells should make it definitely. Shields maybe one day. Tiki did not play long enough at a high level. Some of the guys on the list were never really elite players.[/QUOTE]

if tiki gets in before joe klecko or curtis martin im gonna end up bustin' a vein!!!!
:steamin:

09-29-2011, 02:01 PM	#1
escamoter2 All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,988	First-year HOF candidates First-Year Hall Candidates [U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06 [U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06 [U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06 [U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006 [U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006 [U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06 [U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06 [U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06 [U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06 [U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006 [U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06 I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.

09-29-2011, 02:04 PM	#2
chillywilly Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 116	stephen davis and rod smith?? really? Were they even all-pros?

09-29-2011, 02:05 PM	#3
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,452	None make it...

09-29-2011, 02:15 PM	#4
carlito1171 The Dawn of the John Idzik Era All League Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,856	This list looks blah to me. Parcells is the only sure bet. Will Shields shouldnt be too far behind.

09-29-2011, 02:20 PM	#5
FlagmanL11 4 months until the first home tailgate!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North Jersey Posts: 3,064	[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates [U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06 [U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06 [U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06 [U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006 [U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006 [U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06 [U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06 [U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06 [U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06 [U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006 [U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06 I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE] Parcells this year Marty Schottenheimer in a few years The Rest can forget it....

09-29-2011, 02:22 PM	#6
Batmans A Scientist Watching the American East Championship All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Manhattan, NY Posts: 8,514	[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates [U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06 [U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06 [U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06 [U]Stephen Davis[/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006 [U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006 [U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06 [U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06 [U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06 [U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06 [U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006 [U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06 I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE] What a weak class, wow

09-29-2011, 02:32 PM	#7
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	Really weak class. Parcells should make it definitely. Shields maybe one day. Tiki did not play long enough at a high level. Some of the guys on the list were never really elite players.

09-29-2011, 02:36 PM	#8
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,294	[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165677]First-Year Hall Candidates [U]Tiki Barber[/U], RB N.Y. Giants, 1997-06 [U]Drew Bledsoe[/U], QB New England, 1993-01; Buffalo 2002-04; Dallas, 2005-06 [U]Bill Cowher[/U], coach Pittsburgh, 1992-06 [U][/U], RB Washington, 1996-02; Carolina, 2003-05; St. Louis, 2006 [U]Keyshawn Johnson[/U], WR N.Y. Jets, 1996-99; Tampa Bay, 2000-03; Dallas, 2004-05; Carolina, 2006 [U]Bill Parcells[/U], coach N.Y. Giants, 1983-90; New England, 1993-96; N.Y. Jets, 1997-99; Dallas, 2003-06 [U]Marty Schottenheimer[/U], coach Cleveland, 1984-88; Kansas City, 1989-98; Washington, 2001; San Diego, 2002-06 [U]Will Shields[/U], G Kansas City, 1993-06 [U]Rod Smith[/U], WR Denver, 1995-06 [U]Troy Vincent[/U], DB Miami, 1992-95; Philadelphia, 1996-03; Buffalo, 2004-06; Washington, 2006 [U]Mike Vanderjagt[/U], PK Indianapolis, 1998-06 I say Parcells is the only one that gets in. Maybe Shields at some point.[/QUOTE] Will Shields 12 Pro bowls 2 all pro (best bet) Troy Vincent 5 pro bowls 1 all pro Rod Smith 3 pro bowls Stephen Davis 3 pro bowls Tiki Barber 3 pro bowls 1 all pro Drew Bledsoe 4 pro bowls KJ 3 pro bowls

09-29-2011, 02:37 PM	#9
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	Tiki is going to make it, then have to decline because the Pats are going to sign him to a mega 4 year deal. How is the greatest player at his position not in the HOF? :huh: They'll probably put Ray Guy in posthumously. _

09-29-2011, 02:44 PM	#10
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,294	[QUOTE=JStokes;4165741]Tiki is going to make it, then have to decline because the Pats are going to sign him to a mega 4 year deal. How is the greatest player at his position not in the HOF? :huh: They'll probably put Ray Guy in posthumously. _[/QUOTE] Did you know Tiki's full name is Atiim Kiambu Barber?? His brother is Jamael Oronde Barber.. :yes:

09-29-2011, 02:50 PM	#11
frankiepapa hopes to bring back braylon and holmes All League Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,528	Mike freaking Vanderjagt???? What is his claim to fame? His accurracy? Didn't he have a meltdown in the playoffs or in a big spot one year? Might as well make room for Nate Kaeding...

09-29-2011, 03:18 PM	#12
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,669	maybe this is the year they find room for Klecko?

09-29-2011, 03:30 PM	#13
Digetydog Veteran Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,336	Coaches: Only Cowher deserves to make it. Parcell will probably make it b/c NY media loves him. Shottenheimer – no shot. The Above Average: Tiki Barber, Drew Bledsoe, Stephen Davis, Rod Smith, Troy Vincent, and Will Shields The Average Player with Big Mouth (aka the “Ochocinco”): Keyshawn Johnson. Until Drew Pearson makes it in the HOF, this guy has ZERO shot. Great, but plays the wrong position: Mike Vanderjagt – kickers have a hard time making it in. Given his issues with teammates, he won’t make it. Probably should.

09-29-2011, 03:38 PM	#14
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=Digetydog;4165842]Coaches: Only Cowher deserves to make it. Parcell will probably make it b/c NY media loves him. Shottenheimer – no shot. [/QUOTE] Not sure how Cowher deserves it and Parcells doesn't. He won 2 SB and went to another, had a much higher winning percentage then BC, turned around a bunch of franchises including ours. Not saying Cowher doesn't, but love him or hate him, BP absolutley does deserve to be in the HOF, notwithstanding what he did to the Jets at the end. _

09-29-2011, 03:55 PM	#15
Phoenixx Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fairfield County, CT Posts: 6,870	[QUOTE=JStokes;4165855]Not sure how Cowher deserves it and Parcells doesn't. He won 2 SB and went to another, had a much higher winning percentage then BC, turned around a bunch of franchises including ours. Not saying Cowher doesn't, but love him or hate him, BP absolutley does deserve to be in the HOF, notwithstanding what he did to the Jets at the end. _[/QUOTE] Parcells will make it as soon as this year. Cowher will make it eventually. BTW..Cowher (.623) had a much greater winning pct than Parcells (.570)

09-29-2011, 04:08 PM	#16
estang74 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 682	Parcells took a bad Giants team and won two super bowls, he took the Pats, who were awful to the super bowl in less than 3 years, he took the Jets, who were awful to the AFC championship game and he also turned around the Cowboys. To do that with 4 different teams says a lot about his coaching. Cowher didn't do that. Cowher is a great coach but not better than Parcells. Only reason Cowher has higher winning percentage is because Parcells took over crap teams turned them around.

09-29-2011, 04:09 PM	#17
escamoter2 All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,988	[QUOTE=Savage69;4165749]Did you know Tiki's full name is Atiim Kiambu Barber?? His brother is Jamael Oronde Barber.. :yes:[/QUOTE] Did you know that Tiki Barber is overrated? LOL What's the difference between him and Ricky Waters? I think Ricky Waters did the same things Tiki did, but in less years.

09-29-2011, 04:11 PM	#18
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,294	[QUOTE=escamoter2;4165916]Did you know that Tiki Barber is overrated? LOL What's the difference between him and Ricky Waters? I think Ricky Waters did the same things Tiki did, but in less years.[/QUOTE] Tiki was the best back in NY from 02-06 overrated or not..:yes:

09-29-2011, 04:20 PM	#19
section314 ABA hoops expert Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,015	Tuna and Shields,and that's it. The rest of them are a joke. Is this a "Saturday Night Live " skit?

09-29-2011, 04:34 PM	#20
neevsmazda07 jetsinsider.... pug approved!!! All League Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: cape coral fl. Posts: 2,615	[QUOTE=SlickBri481;4165735]Really weak class. Parcells should make it definitely. Shields maybe one day. Tiki did not play long enough at a high level. Some of the guys on the list were never really elite players.[/QUOTE] if tiki gets in before joe klecko or curtis martin im gonna end up bustin' a vein!!!! :steamin: