No dominant defense, no dominant run game.

JV51 · 11-17-2011, 11:39 PM

Where does this Franchise go after this season?

Our identity of ground and pound and shutdown is gone.

What do we do?

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 11-17-2011, 11:41 PM

Dude... I get the 95 yard drive given up but they played balls out today.

Even an inept offense wins this game.

We're beyond inept as a unit this year.

Plenty of talent but can't get all 11 players to play well.

Hunter and Mulligan are talentless though.

So 9 players.

Winstonbiggs · 11-17-2011, 11:41 PM

Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 11-17-2011, 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4240103]Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.[/QUOTE]

Yup. **** it.

It's got to be done.

KnoxJetFan · 11-17-2011, 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=JV51;4240067]Where does this Franchise go after this season?

Our identity of ground and pound and shutdown is gone.

What do we do?[/QUOTE]

The OL needs a major overhaul. An awful performance tonight. Hunter and Mulligan are two who might as well be dumped immediately.

If the Jets don't make the playoffs, and I don't believe they will, now, Schotty will surely be fired, too. Enough is enough for a horribly underachieving offense.

KnoxJetFan · 11-17-2011, 11:44 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4240103]Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.[/QUOTE]

Can't do that without better pass blocking. The right side is a disaster with Hunter and Mulligan trying to protect Sanchez over there. Even D'Brick looks like a shadow of his former self.

Flaming Mo · 11-17-2011, 11:46 PM

Well...

We just have to replace certain players and we will be fine. Erik Smith almost singlehandidly blew up that last drive...

Lord of War 599 · 11-17-2011, 11:47 PM

This defense just can't get a big stop almost all the time. That is what kills

2009

Miami

Jacksonville

Atlanta

2010

Browns

Steelers - Championship game

2011

Twice with the Pats

And now tonight

IRONFAN 40 · 11-17-2011, 11:55 PM

Other then Revis ,what other game changer do we have on defense. Not one dominate player in the front seven ,not one.

killu4what · 11-18-2011, 12:41 AM

Any1 blaming the defense is on crack point blank.

sec318 · 11-18-2011, 01:02 AM

+1[QUOTE=Lord of War 599;4240182]This defense just can't get a big stop almost all the time. That is what kills

2009

Miami

Jacksonville

Atlanta

2010

Browns

Steelers - Championship game

2011

Twice with the Pats

And now tonight[/QUOTE]

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 01:04 AM

we win this game without that ****ty sanchez pick 6.

end of story. no debating this.

Vin · 11-18-2011, 01:12 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240807]we win this game without that ****ty sanchez pick 6.

end of story. no debating this.[/QUOTE]

We win this game if a certain WR was still with the team.

(Yes, I'm just messing now... :D )

Jetfan16 · 11-18-2011, 01:12 AM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4240101]Dude... I get the 95 yard drive given up but they played balls out today.

Even an inept offense wins this game.

We're beyond inept as a unit this year.

Plenty of talent but can't get all 11 players to play well.

Hunter and Mulligan are talentless though.

So 9 players.[/QUOTE]

How can you say the defense played balls out when the only thing that kept them in the game was the fact that Tebow couldn't complete the most rudimentary throws that any half competent NFL quarterback could (how many passes did Tebow bounce when he had time to throw it and the receiver was open?). And then, having said that, despite the fact that Tebow and the Broncos offense sucked donkey balls for the ENTIRE game, we have them on their own 5 yardline, a chance to tackle their receiver on the 1 inch line, and they go down the field and score.

The defense did NOTHING all game, Tebow's ability to suck for 55 minutes was what kept us in the game, and the only thing that was sucking worse than Tebow's first 55 minutes was our offense, and that's a pretty scary thought.

On the heirarchy of which units sucked the most dick on the night, i think the offense should get the award for sucking the most of the three units, because they did jack **** all day and needed a left guard to score their only touchdown of the day. From there, it was a dead heat for second as far as which unit sucked the most, the defense played mediocore all game but were kept in it by the fact that Tebow has the acumen of a high school quarterback for the first 55 minutes, and then ****ting the bed completely for the other 5 minutes. Special teams gets 2nd in teh dead heat with the defense because, while they didn't have any game breaking idiotic plays, the few times they were on the field they were terrible. 13 yard punt, retarded burning of a timeout on a 21 yard field goal, rather than taking a 5 yard penalty and kicking from 26, and a fumbled kick off return.

this team blows ass, period

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 01:13 AM

[QUOTE=Vin;4240835]We win this game if a certain WR was still with the team.

(Yes, I'm just messing now... :D )[/QUOTE]

haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.

paule · 11-18-2011, 01:14 AM

Sanchez was terrible tonight. So was the O-Line. Holmes, Burress and Keller are useless as we can't get them the ball.

The first half was one of the most boring games I have ever attended.

The Jets D looked tired compared to the Broncos D.

The Jets need to look in the mirror and look hard.

Jetfan16 · 11-18-2011, 01:20 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240839]haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.[/QUOTE]

Houston last year, anyone? At least Edwards has a chance to be able to do something on a go route. Plaxico is slow as **** who only can be useful trying to catch jump balls, he can't get down the field at all on a deep ball.

-Realtalk-

Vin · 11-18-2011, 01:22 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240839]haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.[/QUOTE]

He probably would've.

He seems to be the type of guy who says "F*ck it" and destroys opposing secondaries on his way to the endzone where he'll Dougie [b]LIKE A BOSS.[/b] :cool:

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 11-18-2011, 01:26 AM

[QUOTE=Jetfan16;4240837]How can you say the defense played balls out when the only thing that kept them in the game was the fact that Tebow couldn't complete the most rudimentary throws that any half competent NFL quarterback could (how many passes did Tebow bounce when he had time to throw it and the receiver was open?). And then, having said that, despite the fact that Tebow and the Broncos offense sucked donkey balls for the ENTIRE game, we have them on their own 5 yardline, a chance to tackle their receiver on the 1 inch line, and they go down the field and score.

The defense did NOTHING all game, Tebow's ability to suck for 55 minutes was what kept us in the game, and the only thing that was sucking worse than Tebow's first 55 minutes was our offense, and that's a pretty scary thought.

On the heirarchy of which units sucked the most dick on the night, i think the offense should get the award for sucking the most of the three units, because they did jack **** all day and needed a left guard to score their only touchdown of the day. From there, it was a dead heat for second as far as which unit sucked the most, the defense played mediocore all game but were kept in it by the fact that Tebow has the acumen of a high school quarterback for the first 55 minutes, and then ****ting the bed completely for the other 5 minutes. Special teams gets 2nd in teh dead heat with the defense because, while they didn't have any game breaking idiotic plays, the few times they were on the field they were terrible. 13 yard punt, retarded burning of a timeout on a 21 yard field goal, rather than taking a 5 yard penalty and kicking from 26, and a fumbled kick off return.

this team blows ass, period[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm... You need to rewatch the game.

We let Tebow throw because he isnt good at it.

We completely shutdown the option attack until the final drive.

We gave up 7 in a big spot but gave up 0 for 55 minutes. Thats right. ZERO.

Conley and Sanchez are solely responsible for 10 points.

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 01:57 AM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4240890]Hmmmm... You need to rewatch the game.

We let Tebow throw because he isnt good at it.

We completely shutdown the option attack until the final drive.

We gave up 7 in a big spot but gave up 0 for 55 minutes. Thats right. ZERO.

Conley and Sanchez are solely responsible for 10 points.[/QUOTE]

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11-17-2011, 11:39 PM	#1
JV51 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 11,025	No dominant defense, no dominant run game. Where does this Franchise go after this season? Our identity of ground and pound and shutdown is gone. What do we do?

11-17-2011, 11:41 PM	#2
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,487	Dude... I get the 95 yard drive given up but they played balls out today. Even an inept offense wins this game. We're beyond inept as a unit this year. Plenty of talent but can't get all 11 players to play well. Hunter and Mulligan are talentless though. So 9 players.

11-17-2011, 11:41 PM	#3
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,105	Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.

11-17-2011, 11:42 PM	#4
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,487	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4240103]Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.[/QUOTE] Yup. **** it. It's got to be done.

11-17-2011, 11:42 PM	#5
KnoxJetFan Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Knoxville, TN, but originally from NW Mass. Posts: 1,575	[QUOTE=JV51;4240067]Where does this Franchise go after this season? Our identity of ground and pound and shutdown is gone. What do we do?[/QUOTE] The OL needs a major overhaul. An awful performance tonight. Hunter and Mulligan are two who might as well be dumped immediately. If the Jets don't make the playoffs, and I don't believe they will, now, Schotty will surely be fired, too. Enough is enough for a horribly underachieving offense.

11-17-2011, 11:44 PM	#6
KnoxJetFan Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Knoxville, TN, but originally from NW Mass. Posts: 1,575	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4240103]Start developing Sanchez. It's time to take the training wheels off and start throwing the football down the field.[/QUOTE] Can't do that without better pass blocking. The right side is a disaster with Hunter and Mulligan trying to protect Sanchez over there. Even D'Brick looks like a shadow of his former self.

11-17-2011, 11:46 PM	#7
Flaming Mo All League Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: St. Peter-Ording (Germany) Posts: 4,638	Well... We just have to replace certain players and we will be fine. Erik Smith almost singlehandidly blew up that last drive...

11-17-2011, 11:47 PM	#8
Lord of War 599 Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 233	This defense just can't get a big stop almost all the time. That is what kills 2009 Miami Jacksonville Atlanta 2010 Browns Steelers - Championship game 2011 Twice with the Pats And now tonight

11-17-2011, 11:55 PM	#9
IRONFAN 40 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Section 105 all day ,everyday Posts: 5,963	Other then Revis ,what other game changer do we have on defense. Not one dominate player in the front seven ,not one.

11-18-2011, 12:41 AM	#10
killu4what Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 34	Any1 blaming the defense is on crack point blank.

11-18-2011, 01:02 AM	#11
sec318 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,147	+1[QUOTE=Lord of War 599;4240182]This defense just can't get a big stop almost all the time. That is what kills 2009 Miami Jacksonville Atlanta 2010 Browns Steelers - Championship game 2011 Twice with the Pats And now tonight[/QUOTE]

11-18-2011, 01:04 AM	#12
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,098	we win this game without that ****ty sanchez pick 6. end of story. no debating this.

11-18-2011, 01:12 AM	#13
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,171	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240807]we win this game without that ****ty sanchez pick 6. end of story. no debating this.[/QUOTE] We win this game if a certain WR was still with the team. (Yes, I'm just messing now... :D )

11-18-2011, 01:12 AM	#14
Jetfan16 I believe you..... BUT MY TOMMY GUN DONT! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,817	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4240101]Dude... I get the 95 yard drive given up but they played balls out today. Even an inept offense wins this game. We're beyond inept as a unit this year. Plenty of talent but can't get all 11 players to play well. Hunter and Mulligan are talentless though. So 9 players.[/QUOTE] How can you say the defense played balls out when the only thing that kept them in the game was the fact that Tebow couldn't complete the most rudimentary throws that any half competent NFL quarterback could (how many passes did Tebow bounce when he had time to throw it and the receiver was open?). And then, having said that, despite the fact that Tebow and the Broncos offense sucked donkey balls for the ENTIRE game, we have them on their own 5 yardline, a chance to tackle their receiver on the 1 inch line, and they go down the field and score. The defense did NOTHING all game, Tebow's ability to suck for 55 minutes was what kept us in the game, and the only thing that was sucking worse than Tebow's first 55 minutes was our offense, and that's a pretty scary thought. On the heirarchy of which units sucked the most dick on the night, i think the offense should get the award for sucking the most of the three units, because they did jack ** all day and needed a left guard to score their only touchdown of the day. From there, it was a dead heat for second as far as which unit sucked the most, the defense played mediocore all game but were kept in it by the fact that Tebow has the acumen of a high school quarterback for the first 55 minutes, and then **ting the bed completely for the other 5 minutes. Special teams gets 2nd in teh dead heat with the defense because, while they didn't have any game breaking idiotic plays, the few times they were on the field they were terrible. 13 yard punt, retarded burning of a timeout on a 21 yard field goal, rather than taking a 5 yard penalty and kicking from 26, and a fumbled kick off return. this team blows ass, period

11-18-2011, 01:13 AM	#15
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,098	[QUOTE=Vin;4240835]We win this game if a certain WR was still with the team. (Yes, I'm just messing now... :D )[/QUOTE] haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.

11-18-2011, 01:14 AM	#16
paule Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bailey, CO Posts: 307	Sanchez was terrible tonight. So was the O-Line. Holmes, Burress and Keller are useless as we can't get them the ball. The first half was one of the most boring games I have ever attended. The Jets D looked tired compared to the Broncos D. The Jets need to look in the mirror and look hard.

11-18-2011, 01:20 AM	#17
Jetfan16 I believe you..... BUT MY TOMMY GUN DONT! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,817	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240839]haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.[/QUOTE] Houston last year, anyone? At least Edwards has a chance to be able to do something on a go route. Plaxico is slow as **** who only can be useful trying to catch jump balls, he can't get down the field at all on a deep ball. -Realtalk-

11-18-2011, 01:22 AM	#18
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,171	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240839]haha i wonder if Braylon does a better job on that route then Plax...he probably would of beasted over the DB's back and broke 11 tackles on his way to paydirt.[/QUOTE] He probably would've. He seems to be the type of guy who says "F*ck it" and destroys opposing secondaries on his way to the endzone where he'll Dougie [b]LIKE A BOSS.[/b] :cool:

11-18-2011, 01:26 AM	#19
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,487	[QUOTE=Jetfan16;4240837]How can you say the defense played balls out when the only thing that kept them in the game was the fact that Tebow couldn't complete the most rudimentary throws that any half competent NFL quarterback could (how many passes did Tebow bounce when he had time to throw it and the receiver was open?). And then, having said that, despite the fact that Tebow and the Broncos offense sucked donkey balls for the ENTIRE game, we have them on their own 5 yardline, a chance to tackle their receiver on the 1 inch line, and they go down the field and score. The defense did NOTHING all game, Tebow's ability to suck for 55 minutes was what kept us in the game, and the only thing that was sucking worse than Tebow's first 55 minutes was our offense, and that's a pretty scary thought. On the heirarchy of which units sucked the most dick on the night, i think the offense should get the award for sucking the most of the three units, because they did jack ** all day and needed a left guard to score their only touchdown of the day. From there, it was a dead heat for second as far as which unit sucked the most, the defense played mediocore all game but were kept in it by the fact that Tebow has the acumen of a high school quarterback for the first 55 minutes, and then **ting the bed completely for the other 5 minutes. Special teams gets 2nd in teh dead heat with the defense because, while they didn't have any game breaking idiotic plays, the few times they were on the field they were terrible. 13 yard punt, retarded burning of a timeout on a 21 yard field goal, rather than taking a 5 yard penalty and kicking from 26, and a fumbled kick off return. this team blows ass, period[/QUOTE] Hmmmm... You need to rewatch the game. We let Tebow throw because he isnt good at it. We completely shutdown the option attack until the final drive. We gave up 7 in a big spot but gave up 0 for 55 minutes. Thats right. ZERO. Conley and Sanchez are solely responsible for 10 points.

11-18-2011, 01:57 AM	#20
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,098	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4240890]Hmmmm... You need to rewatch the game. We let Tebow throw because he isnt good at it. We completely shutdown the option attack until the final drive. We gave up 7 in a big spot but gave up 0 for 55 minutes. Thats right. ZERO. Conley and Sanchez are solely responsible for 10 points.[/QUOTE] +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000