An Upgrade Nobody is Talking About

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 01:56 AM

Running Back.

We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season.

I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that.

Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 11-18-2011, 01:57 AM

Hillis wants long money. Greene is the same back with worse hands.

SackAttack · 11-18-2011, 01:58 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back.

We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season.

I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that.

Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE]

For such a tough guy, he sure his some weak ribs. Now opposing teams know where to target that weakness. Remember what happened to Christian Okoye when Steve Atwater stoned him? He was no longer the intimidator.

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 01:58 AM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4240982]Hillis wants long money. Greene is the same back with worse hands.[/QUOTE]

Hillis and Greene are totally different backs. Hillis is a true bruiser. Greene will fight for an extra yard or 2 but will not effectively bullrush a defense....instead he'll try to make cuts which he isn't entirely good at.

Hillis's market value is also declining with him missing time....he isnt going to get the long money he wants.

johnnysd · 11-18-2011, 01:59 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back.

We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season.

I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that.

Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE]
We need to stop signing free agents especially high profile ones and build within.

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 11-18-2011, 02:00 AM

For a team that is supposed to be 'ground and pound' oriented, it's actually shocking how overlooked the RB position has been.

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 02:00 AM

[QUOTE=johnnysd;4240990]We need to stop signing free agents especially high profile ones and build within.[/QUOTE]

in certain areas yes...but in others we need to be active in free agency

TurkJetFan · 11-18-2011, 02:01 AM

[QUOTE=Vinny Testaverde's Niece;4240992]For a team that is supposed to be 'ground and pound' oriented, it's actually shocking how overlooked the RB position has been.[/QUOTE]

and Hillis is the definition of ground and pound...

McKnight slashing as a change of pace could be absolutely lethal.

jetgreen13 · 11-18-2011, 02:07 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back.

We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season.

I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that.

Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE]hillis has run himself out of another town for the second time in his young career.. IMHO, he's a me first bad teammate kinda guy..

jzelada121 · 11-18-2011, 02:10 AM

I hate Green, never seen a softer power back in my life, the guy is a scrub that cant catch a cold. FK him too.

Mikey Z 6 · 11-18-2011, 02:10 AM

greene would be better if the defense wasn't playing 8-9-10 men in the box, cause they are not afraid of the long ball, aswell as sanchez's accuracy or ability to audible

ListerFiend · 11-18-2011, 04:08 AM

michael bush...

Mainejet · 11-18-2011, 04:42 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back.

We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season.

I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that.

Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE]

This is all rooted in the defense ALWAYS committing more than 7, 8 or more to the box. All defenses that we have faced since Mark Sanchez have arrived have done the same thing. They sell out to stop the running game.

They don't respect the Jets passing game. If they do pass, they know eventually Sanchez will throw a pick 6. It worked like a charm last night.

TerminatorJet · 11-18-2011, 04:55 AM

Woud rather spend $$$ improving the following:

Safety
ILB
OLB
RT
Both Guard positions
Backup QB

Hillis is injury prone because he initiates alot of contact as a runner. Now we're supposed to give him big money so he can get stuffed at the line with Schitty's predictable playcalls and mediocre blocking?

F*ck that.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 11-18-2011, 04:58 AM

[QUOTE=Mainejet;4241133]This is all rooted in the defense ALWAYS committing more than 7, 8 or more to the box. All defenses that we have faced since Mark Sanchez have arrived have done the same thing. They sell out to stop the running game.

They don't respect the Jets passing game. If they do pass, they know eventually Sanchez will throw a pick 6. It worked like a charm last night.[/QUOTE]

They didnt respect it in 09 or 10.

What changed...

Toooon · 11-18-2011, 06:36 AM

Please. It is more about the o-line than the RBs. This team has far more important holes to fill than RB. That should be a very low priority this offseason, after OLB (we need two new starters), Safety, RT, WR. I would include QB but there is just no way we're giving up on Sanchez just yet. But his garbage play hurts the running game, too.

SouthTown · 11-18-2011, 08:35 AM

[QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4241140]Woud rather spend $$$ improving the following:

Safety
ILB
OLB
RT
Both Guard positions
Backup QB

Hillis is injury prone because he initiates alot of contact as a runner. Now we're supposed to give him big money so he can get stuffed at the line with Schitty's predictable playcalls and mediocre blocking?

F*ck that.[/QUOTE]

1. Safety
2. DE/OLB
3. OL--RT

NYJinBoston · 11-18-2011, 09:22 AM

I still don't trust McKnight w his fumbles.

ToddtoBarkum1615 · 11-18-2011, 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=Toooon;4241160]Please. It is more about the o-line than the RBs. This team has far more important holes to fill than RB. That should be a very low priority this offseason, after OLB (we need two new starters), Safety, RT, WR. I would include QB but there is just no way we're giving up on Sanchez just yet. But his garbage play hurts the running game, too.[/QUOTE]

+1. You could have Barry Sanders back there and wouldn't make a lick of difference with this s*tty O line. Why even discuss what running back we should target, doesn't matter, it all starts up front.

adpz · 11-18-2011, 09:45 AM

I've got a different take on what no one is talking about: the Jets with Sanchez should look to develop as a slot/ TE kind of passing team. Sanchez's strength is mobility and hitting intermediate routes. He NEEDS his own Jason Witten/ Gronkowski type safety-valve; he also needs his own Wes Welker slot player that can work in space on those intermediate routes. Add in a running back that can catch the ball and you'd have the core of an offense that Sanchez would feel comfortable in.

Another huge need is Right Tackle. Hunter has to go. Usually people talks about how important a LT is for a QB, but the right side has been so bad in pass protection that Sanchez rarely throws to that side; he also rarely moves towards that side - which would be his natural roll-out side as a righty QB.

What I saw last night was a lot of collapse on that right side from both Hunter and Mulligan. Sanchez gets quickly walled in by his "pocket" and is often reduced to playing on one side of the field.

For next year, I say our first two picks are OLB and OT. Then bring in a experienced big-bodied TE as a FA. Another FA safety and some good possession/slot WRs in the middle rounds.

I'd be open to trading Keller. He's just not a good fit for this QB. He's got great hands but is undersized and can't play well in the packages that work as either pass or run and therefore feed naturally into the play-action.

11-18-2011, 01:56 AM	#1
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	An Upgrade Nobody is Talking About Running Back. We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season. I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that. Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.

11-18-2011, 01:57 AM	#2
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,454	Hillis wants long money. Greene is the same back with worse hands.

11-18-2011, 01:58 AM	#3
SackAttack varsity player Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 58	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back. We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season. I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that. Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE] For such a tough guy, he sure his some weak ribs. Now opposing teams know where to target that weakness. Remember what happened to Christian Okoye when Steve Atwater stoned him? He was no longer the intimidator.

11-18-2011, 01:59 AM	#5
johnnysd Founding Member of the Geno Bandwagon Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,145	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back. We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season. I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that. Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE] We need to stop signing free agents especially high profile ones and build within.

11-18-2011, 02:00 AM	#6
Vinny Testaverde's Niece Post Count Not Affected By Demise of Hotties Forum All League Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 4,184	For a team that is supposed to be 'ground and pound' oriented, it's actually shocking how overlooked the RB position has been.

11-18-2011, 02:01 AM	#8
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Vinny Testaverde's Niece;4240992]For a team that is supposed to be 'ground and pound' oriented, it's actually shocking how overlooked the RB position has been.[/QUOTE] and Hillis is the definition of ground and pound... McKnight slashing as a change of pace could be absolutely lethal.

11-18-2011, 02:07 AM	#9
jetgreen13 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: transplanted new yorker in maryland Posts: 4,438	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back. We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season. I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that. Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE]hillis has run himself out of another town for the second time in his young career.. IMHO, he's a me first bad teammate kinda guy..

11-18-2011, 02:10 AM	#10
jzelada121 We need more DL!!! All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Posts: 3,143	I hate Green, never seen a softer power back in my life, the guy is a scrub that cant catch a cold. FK him too.

11-18-2011, 02:10 AM	#11
Mikey Z 6 oOoOoOo All Pro Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Posts: 5,536	greene would be better if the defense wasn't playing 8-9-10 men in the box, cause they are not afraid of the long ball, aswell as sanchez's accuracy or ability to audible

11-18-2011, 04:08 AM	#12
ListerFiend keeping my head in the books. Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,213	michael bush...

11-18-2011, 04:42 AM	#13
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,896	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4240981]Running Back. We need a bruiser a guy that can beat you down and change pace with McKnight who I feel should be our number 2 next season. I say Peyton Hillis. The guy wears down because he's virtually been the entire offense in CLE...and I know he's been a mess this year, but I think his style is perfect change of pace with McKnight and we need a guy like that. Shonn Greene simply is not a feature back.[/QUOTE] This is all rooted in the defense ALWAYS committing more than 7, 8 or more to the box. All defenses that we have faced since Mark Sanchez have arrived have done the same thing. They sell out to stop the running game. They don't respect the Jets passing game. If they do pass, they know eventually Sanchez will throw a pick 6. It worked like a charm last night.

11-18-2011, 04:55 AM	#14
TerminatorJet is making lotsa $$ off Schotty's stupidity! Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,348	Woud rather spend $$$ improving the following: Safety ILB OLB RT Both Guard positions Backup QB Hillis is injury prone because he initiates alot of contact as a runner. Now we're supposed to give him big money so he can get stuffed at the line with Schitty's predictable playcalls and mediocre blocking? F*ck that.

11-18-2011, 04:58 AM	#15
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,454	[QUOTE=Mainejet;4241133]This is all rooted in the defense ALWAYS committing more than 7, 8 or more to the box. All defenses that we have faced since Mark Sanchez have arrived have done the same thing. They sell out to stop the running game. They don't respect the Jets passing game. If they do pass, they know eventually Sanchez will throw a pick 6. It worked like a charm last night.[/QUOTE] They didnt respect it in 09 or 10. What changed...

11-18-2011, 06:36 AM	#16
Toooon All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,700	Please. It is more about the o-line than the RBs. This team has far more important holes to fill than RB. That should be a very low priority this offseason, after OLB (we need two new starters), Safety, RT, WR. I would include QB but there is just no way we're giving up on Sanchez just yet. But his garbage play hurts the running game, too.

11-18-2011, 08:35 AM	#17
SouthTown Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,073	[QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4241140]Woud rather spend $$$ improving the following: Safety ILB OLB RT Both Guard positions Backup QB Hillis is injury prone because he initiates alot of contact as a runner. Now we're supposed to give him big money so he can get stuffed at the line with Schitty's predictable playcalls and mediocre blocking? F*ck that.[/QUOTE] 1. Safety 2. DE/OLB 3. OL--RT

11-18-2011, 09:22 AM	#18
NYJinBoston It's a new year Veteran Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 182	I still don't trust McKnight w his fumbles.

11-18-2011, 09:45 AM	#19
ToddtoBarkum1615 Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 149	[QUOTE=Toooon;4241160]Please. It is more about the o-line than the RBs. This team has far more important holes to fill than RB. That should be a very low priority this offseason, after OLB (we need two new starters), Safety, RT, WR. I would include QB but there is just no way we're giving up on Sanchez just yet. But his garbage play hurts the running game, too.[/QUOTE] +1. You could have Barry Sanders back there and wouldn't make a lick of difference with this s*tty O line. Why even discuss what running back we should target, doesn't matter, it all starts up front.

11-18-2011, 09:45 AM	#20
adpz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,003	I've got a different take on what no one is talking about: the Jets with Sanchez should look to develop as a slot/ TE kind of passing team. Sanchez's strength is mobility and hitting intermediate routes. He NEEDS his own Jason Witten/ Gronkowski type safety-valve; he also needs his own Wes Welker slot player that can work in space on those intermediate routes. Add in a running back that can catch the ball and you'd have the core of an offense that Sanchez would feel comfortable in. Another huge need is Right Tackle. Hunter has to go. Usually people talks about how important a LT is for a QB, but the right side has been so bad in pass protection that Sanchez rarely throws to that side; he also rarely moves towards that side - which would be his natural roll-out side as a righty QB. What I saw last night was a lot of collapse on that right side from both Hunter and Mulligan. Sanchez gets quickly walled in by his "pocket" and is often reduced to playing on one side of the field. For next year, I say our first two picks are OLB and OT. Then bring in a experienced big-bodied TE as a FA. Another FA safety and some good possession/slot WRs in the middle rounds. I'd be open to trading Keller. He's just not a good fit for this QB. He's got great hands but is undersized and can't play well in the packages that work as either pass or run and therefore feed naturally into the play-action.