NHL Realignment

DevsJetsYanks88 · 12-06-2011, 02:42 PM

What thinks the few other resident hockey fans here.... AGAW, Jordy, BRJ, anyone? I haven't had a chance to even read/listen about it much just yet, but it seems like quite the drastic change.

2foolish197 · 12-06-2011, 02:52 PM

...lools like the western teams won't have to travel as much...

CraigFL · 12-06-2011, 02:59 PM

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/12/...ur-conferences
NHL Realignment, A Primer: Four Conferences, Revamped Playoffs Among The Change

Dec 05 10:09p by Travis Hughes

Read More: New York Islanders, New York Rangers

NHL realignment is here, and there's a ton of news flying around. Let's break down all the information as easily as we can, first with a look at which teams fall where.

We've posted this map about 18,000 times now, so just click if you'd like to see it again. Here's a different visual breakdown of the new conferences.

Names of the new conferences have yet to be decided, and there's no word if they could go back to the old Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe names.

IMBALANCE: The first thing you notice is the unbalance between the Eastern half of the league and the Western half. Keep in mind that there's no such thing as the Eastern Conference and Western Conference any longer, so that's not really of too much concern. The top four teams in each conference will make the postseason.

Gary Bettman's argument against the concern that it'll be easier to make the playoffs if you're in one of the Eastern groupings is that the bottom seedings are inconsequential. Basic mathematics seem to sit counter to that point, but we'll let you be the judge of if you care about that.

PHOENIX SITUATION: Besides, this new format might not even make it to the beginning of the 2012-13 season. There's still plenty of uncertainty revolving the Phoenix Coyotes, and it's definitely possible that the team is playing in a different city come next season. This seems to create a bit of a contingency plan for the NHL.

Should Phoenix move East to Quebec City, it's a quick swap to "Conference 2". If they were to move to Kansas City or Seattle or another Western locale, Detroit or Columbus could be shifted to "Conference 1" or "Conference 2."

Again, though, balance between the East and the West doesn't really matter at this point considering there's no such thing as the East and the West.

And, well.... it does sort of lend itself to potential expansion to 32 teams, doesn't it? /cart-before-the-horse

SCHEDULE CHANGES: There will be a home-and-home held between each team in the league, meaning that each team will play in each league city every single season. That helps travel concerns for the West to an extent, but the reality is that teams in the West are just separated by more distance and will have to travel more, no matter the alignment.

The rest of the games will be filled inside of your own conference.

If your team is in a seven-team conference, they will play 36 games inside of their conference, or six games against each team. In eight-team conferences, teams will play at least five but potentially six games against each their intra-conference foes.

PLAYOFFS: The big question is how the playoffs will work. According to Bettman, here's how things will go:
■As we mentioned, the top four teams in each conference will advance to the postseason.
■From that point, the first two rounds of the Stanley Cup Playoffs will be intra-conference.
■There will be four conference champions, each of whom will advance to a final four.
■The four teams will likely be reseeded based on regular season results, with No. 1 playing No. 4 and No. 2 playing No. 3. The winners will meet in the Stanley Cup Final. It's also possible that the two eight-team conferences (or, the East) will meet and that the two seven-team conferences (the West) will meet, with the winner playing in the Final. Bettman said the general managers will decide this.

All in all, there's a whole lot of change, and not everybody will be happy with it. How does this all make you feel? For complete coverage of NHL realignment

Seems to make sense although the two 7 team conf. have a slight advantage as only 3 teams don't make the playoffs while 4 miss out in the 8 team conf.

Bay Ridge Jet · 12-06-2011, 03:27 PM

Its ****ing terrible. All they had to do was switch the Jets and Predators. If they wanted to shake it up, switch Detroit.

You have to start the playoffs playing in your division is a step backwards. I dont get the benefits at all.

Big L · 12-06-2011, 03:54 PM

What I don't get is why Florida and Tampa Bay are in basically the Canadian division.

Mantle & Namath · 12-06-2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big L

What I don't get is why Florida and Tampa Bay are in basically the Canadian division.

There is 7 Canadian teams, only 3 of them are in that division.

Apache 51 · 12-06-2011, 05:43 PM

Just glad to have Hockey.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 12-06-2011, 08:31 PM

C1 is fine, obviously, so I'm fine...

If I was Florida/TB fan I'd be pissed...

Big L · 12-07-2011, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mantle & Namath

There is 7 Canadian teams, only 3 of them are in that division.

Considering, then, 43% of Canadian teams play in that one of four divisions, that's quite odd to include Florida and Tampa Bay in it.

FlagmanL11 · 12-07-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big L

Considering, then, 43% of Canadian teams play in that one of four divisions, that's quite odd to include Florida and Tampa Bay in it.

lots of Canadians are snow birds...

JetPotato · 12-07-2011, 12:43 PM

The Islanders should be in their own division

RazorJet · 12-07-2011, 12:44 PM

The Nhl always seems to do what's best even if it doesn't seem like it at the time.

2foolish197 · 12-07-2011, 12:48 PM

i'm not crazy about this...better records taking a back sit to reduced travel for certain teams...all they had to do was switch the Jets and Predators,like Bay Ridge said...and an unbalanced sked would take care of the travel situation...

Big L · 12-07-2011, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetPotato

The Islanders should be in their own division

LOL - The NHL will now have 5 divisions, 4 regular plus the "Loser" division!

Mantle & Namath · 12-07-2011, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big L

Considering, then, 43% of Canadian teams play in that one of four divisions, that's quite odd to include Florida and Tampa Bay in it.

No its not. The Maple Leads, Canadians, and Senators are in the same time zone as the Lighting and Panthers.

Just like the Blue Jays are in the same time zone/division as the Rays, and the Expos were in the same time zone/division as the Marlins.

Big L · 12-07-2011, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mantle & Namath

No its not. The Maple Leads, Canadians, and Senators are in the same time zone as the Lighting and Panthers.

Just like the Blue Jays are in the same time zone/division as the Rays, and the Expos were in the same time zone/division as the Marlins.

Time zones are irrelevant in this case. Look at the locations of each team in the proposed division. If you're going to use the eastern time zone, then at least put one division in the north and one in the south. Don't divide one division by another.

You've got a division where 5 of 7 teams are at the 47th parallel, and two at the 27th parallel. And sandwiched right in the middle of this division is another, with all those teams at the 37th parallel.

Timmy® · 12-07-2011, 09:17 PM

So Boston and New York aren't together.

Or Buffalo and Pittsburgh.

Jordy · 12-08-2011, 01:34 PM

First of all, I'm not a Gary Bettman fan AT ALL. I don't like having a non-hockey guy in control. He's all about money at the expense of the history of the game.

I hated to see the historical division names go away (Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe).

Off the top of my head, the only things he's done that I like was abolishing the 2-line pass and changing the icing rule so that the players on the ice for the offending team have to stay on the ice. Both of these rules have sped up the game.

I don't know what to think about the realignment. It doesn't seem right that Carolina will be in the division they'll be in while Nashville, Florida and Tampa Bay are in a different division. As far as the Florida teams having to travel to Canada, well, Phoenix (assuming they survive) and the Cali teams also have to travel to Canada. Actually, I believe a flight from Tampa bay to Montreal is shorter than from Anaheim to Calgary.

Anyway, I don't see how this could be made a perfect world with 4 divisions and 30 teams. So I agree, swapping Nashville and Winnipeg makes the most sense to me.

Jetsfan95 · 12-08-2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordy

First of all, I'm not a Gary Bettman fan AT ALL. I don't like having a non-hockey guy in control. He's all about money at the expense of the history of the game.

I hated to see the historical division names go away (Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe).

Off the top of my head, the only things he's done that I like was abolishing the 2-line pass and changing the icing rule so that the players on the ice for the offending team have to stay on the ice. Both of these rules have sped up the game.

I don't know what to think about the realignment. It doesn't seem right that Carolina will be in the division they'll be in while Nashville, Florida and Tampa Bay are in a different division. As far as the Florida teams having to travel to Canada, well, Phoenix (assuming they survive) and the Cali teams also have to travel to Canada. Actually, I believe a flight from Tampa bay to Montreal is shorter than from Anaheim to Calgary.

Anyway, I don't see how this could be made a perfect world with 4 divisions and 30 teams. So I agree, swapping Nashville and Winnipeg makes the most sense to me.

This. Instead the Rangers are now in a perpetual fight for the 4th seed in their conference playoffs. Ugh

crazyjetsman28 · 12-09-2011, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetsfan95

This. Instead the Rangers are now in a perpetual fight for the 4th seed in their conference playoffs. Ugh

I guess seeing the Devils fight the Rangers and the Caps for that last playoff spot will be fun and I like the idea of the first two rounds staying in the same division or conference. The downside teams in deep conferences will get screwed. I guess that happens already with the West usually having higher point totals than the East, but it just seems like the new setup will magnify the problem.

12-06-2011, 02:42 PM	#1
DevsJetsYanks88 All Pro Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Jersey Posts: 7,410	NHL Realignment What thinks the few other resident hockey fans here.... AGAW, Jordy, BRJ, anyone? I haven't had a chance to even read/listen about it much just yet, but it seems like quite the drastic change.

12-06-2011, 02:52 PM	#2
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,532	...lools like the western teams won't have to travel as much...

12-06-2011, 02:59 PM	#3
CraigFL still a rookie after 4 years. should be SanchezFL Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 987	http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/12/...ur-conferences NHL Realignment, A Primer: Four Conferences, Revamped Playoffs Among The Change Dec 05 10:09p by Travis Hughes Read More: New York Islanders, New York Rangers NHL realignment is here, and there's a ton of news flying around. Let's break down all the information as easily as we can, first with a look at which teams fall where. We've posted this map about 18,000 times now, so just click if you'd like to see it again. Here's a different visual breakdown of the new conferences. Names of the new conferences have yet to be decided, and there's no word if they could go back to the old Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe names. IMBALANCE: The first thing you notice is the unbalance between the Eastern half of the league and the Western half. Keep in mind that there's no such thing as the Eastern Conference and Western Conference any longer, so that's not really of too much concern. The top four teams in each conference will make the postseason. Gary Bettman's argument against the concern that it'll be easier to make the playoffs if you're in one of the Eastern groupings is that the bottom seedings are inconsequential. Basic mathematics seem to sit counter to that point, but we'll let you be the judge of if you care about that. PHOENIX SITUATION: Besides, this new format might not even make it to the beginning of the 2012-13 season. There's still plenty of uncertainty revolving the Phoenix Coyotes, and it's definitely possible that the team is playing in a different city come next season. This seems to create a bit of a contingency plan for the NHL. Should Phoenix move East to Quebec City, it's a quick swap to "Conference 2". If they were to move to Kansas City or Seattle or another Western locale, Detroit or Columbus could be shifted to "Conference 1" or "Conference 2." Again, though, balance between the East and the West doesn't really matter at this point considering there's no such thing as the East and the West. And, well.... it does sort of lend itself to potential expansion to 32 teams, doesn't it? /cart-before-the-horse SCHEDULE CHANGES: There will be a home-and-home held between each team in the league, meaning that each team will play in each league city every single season. That helps travel concerns for the West to an extent, but the reality is that teams in the West are just separated by more distance and will have to travel more, no matter the alignment. The rest of the games will be filled inside of your own conference. If your team is in a seven-team conference, they will play 36 games inside of their conference, or six games against each team. In eight-team conferences, teams will play at least five but potentially six games against each their intra-conference foes. PLAYOFFS: The big question is how the playoffs will work. According to Bettman, here's how things will go: ■As we mentioned, the top four teams in each conference will advance to the postseason. ■From that point, the first two rounds of the Stanley Cup Playoffs will be intra-conference. ■There will be four conference champions, each of whom will advance to a final four. ■The four teams will likely be reseeded based on regular season results, with No. 1 playing No. 4 and No. 2 playing No. 3. The winners will meet in the Stanley Cup Final. It's also possible that the two eight-team conferences (or, the East) will meet and that the two seven-team conferences (the West) will meet, with the winner playing in the Final. Bettman said the general managers will decide this. All in all, there's a whole lot of change, and not everybody will be happy with it. How does this all make you feel? For complete coverage of NHL realignment Seems to make sense although the two 7 team conf. have a slight advantage as only 3 teams don't make the playoffs while 4 miss out in the 8 team conf.

12-06-2011, 03:27 PM	#4
Bay Ridge Jet All Pro Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 7,191	Its ****ing terrible. All they had to do was switch the Jets and Predators. If they wanted to shake it up, switch Detroit. You have to start the playoffs playing in your division is a step backwards. I dont get the benefits at all.

12-06-2011, 03:54 PM	#5
Big L Plus six thousand posts Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It's all relative Posts: 1,066	What I don't get is why Florida and Tampa Bay are in basically the Canadian division.

12-06-2011, 05:43 PM	#7
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,658	Just glad to have Hockey.

12-06-2011, 08:31 PM	#8
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,454	C1 is fine, obviously, so I'm fine... If I was Florida/TB fan I'd be pissed...

12-07-2011, 12:43 PM	#11
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	The Islanders should be in their own division

12-07-2011, 12:44 PM	#12
RazorJet W P S! !!!! no, i mean it. Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Atkins, Arkansas Posts: 1,627	The Nhl always seems to do what's best even if it doesn't seem like it at the time.

12-07-2011, 12:48 PM	#13
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,532	i'm not crazy about this...better records taking a back sit to reduced travel for certain teams...all they had to do was switch the Jets and Predators,like Bay Ridge said...and an unbalanced sked would take care of the travel situation...

12-07-2011, 09:17 PM	#17
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,523	So Boston and New York aren't together. Or Buffalo and Pittsburgh.

12-08-2011, 01:34 PM	#18
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	First of all, I'm not a Gary Bettman fan AT ALL. I don't like having a non-hockey guy in control. He's all about money at the expense of the history of the game. I hated to see the historical division names go away (Patrick, Adams, Norris and Smythe). Off the top of my head, the only things he's done that I like was abolishing the 2-line pass and changing the icing rule so that the players on the ice for the offending team have to stay on the ice. Both of these rules have sped up the game. I don't know what to think about the realignment. It doesn't seem right that Carolina will be in the division they'll be in while Nashville, Florida and Tampa Bay are in a different division. As far as the Florida teams having to travel to Canada, well, Phoenix (assuming they survive) and the Cali teams also have to travel to Canada. Actually, I believe a flight from Tampa bay to Montreal is shorter than from Anaheim to Calgary. Anyway, I don't see how this could be made a perfect world with 4 divisions and 30 teams. So I agree, swapping Nashville and Winnipeg makes the most sense to me.