Sal Pal speculating Schotty will be fired - Page 3

TurkJetFan · 12-28-2011, 04:56 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4297360]I wouldn't say pure speculation but logical speculation. An educated guess, if you will[/QUOTE]

it's speculation based on nothing. and woody never said anything of the sort.

WestCoastOffensive · 12-28-2011, 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=Buzzsaw;4297331]Rex....come on dude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4297335]If that's how Rex really feels--and is running this team--he should get a boot out the door with Shoddy today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SMC;4297340]Rex acts like he's watching another's teams' offense. It's freaking absurd.

The plays are being relayed through his headset. He can hear them all.[/QUOTE]
Rex doesn't have the chops to ride Schotty's shoulder. He has to trust him; Rex has no feel for calling the offense. Do you think Jimmy Johnson told Norv Turner how to do his job.

You guys need to stop.

Austin · 12-28-2011, 05:03 PM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4297364]it's speculation based on nothing. and woody never said anything of the sort.[/QUOTE]

I mean, it's speculation from reputable NFL insiders who have sources.

It's not just some fan blogging about how Woody must hate Schotty because we all do.

TurkJetFan · 12-28-2011, 05:05 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4297371]I mean, it's speculation from reputable NFL insiders who have sources.

It's not just some fan blogging about how Woody must hate Schotty because we all do.[/QUOTE]

they didnt cite any source what so ever...they are speculating plain and simple.

Austin · 12-28-2011, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4297373]they didnt cite any source what so ever...they are speculating plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

When you have sources inside organizations you don't "cite" them. If you did, you wouldn't have sources for very long.

I'm not saying they know for a fact Schotty is gone, I just think their knowledge of the situation is probably better than ours, and if they're willing to go out on enough of a limb to speculate he's gone, there's probably something more to it than their personal opinion.

Vin · 12-28-2011, 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=Zombo;4297242]If you have an offense the team already knows well, and the main gripe is poor playcalling, why not just promote a guy like Callahan to run the offense the way Rex wants it run? What would a new offense do besides stunt Sanchez's growth? Not much. Call more run plays, get rid of the stupid trickery, and the offense should be better.[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY!

I think the new OC's motto should be :

[b]"KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!"[/b] :cool:

'cause really...that's all this offense needs. Nothing fancy, just pure plain run-of-the-mill playcalling :

Step 1.) Establish the run

Step 2.) If step 1 is successful, utilize the Playaction pass play

Step 3.) If step 2 is successful, run the ball again 'till they stop you.

No more Gadget plays
No more Trick Plays
[b]NO MORE WILDCAT!![/b] :mad:

Keep it simple.

TurkJetFan · 12-28-2011, 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4297379]When you have sources inside organizations you don't "cite" them. If you did, you wouldn't have sources for very long.

I'm not saying they know for a fact Schotty is gone, I just think their knowledge of the situation is probably better than ours, and if they're willing to go out on enough of a limb to speculate he's gone, there's probably something more to it than their personal opinion.[/QUOTE]

you'd like to think so...all im saying is the guy said "woody said schotty will be fired", which is not true...as the title of the thread itself says, it's speculation on all counts...its speculation i like, but its not fact.

in terms of citing sources...no you dont flat out name them but saying things like "sources indicate" or something of that nature is common practice.

in this case cimini actually said, "when the jets have had poor seasons woody has given someone the axe and this time it could be schotty" that's speculation by definition.

DDNYjets · 12-28-2011, 05:11 PM

Heart hopes it is true. Brain tells me it is false.

Goodfellaz · 12-28-2011, 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;4297298]Calling Schitty a "scapegoat" is like saying John Wilkes Booth was the scapegoat for the Lincoln assassination.[/QUOTE]

This. +10000

Beerfish · 12-28-2011, 05:18 PM

The jets do not have a dominant defense as we had and do not have a great o-line and have a on again off again back in Greene. Ground and pound will not do it against good teams. In this day and age you need to at least be reasonable at passing the ball. If the Jets do not dramatically improve the passing offense and establish some deep threats teams will just load the box and poach all the short stuff.

Kentucky Jet · 12-28-2011, 05:28 PM

[QUOTE=GoBigGreen;4297243]Getting rid of Schotty isn't going to solve our ills if Rex is persistent on a conservative, take no chances offense.[/QUOTE]

agreed. And if we do become a strict GROUND & POUND team and fail to get the OL personnel to make it work, we will be wasting time marching in place. I think we need a whole new offense. Then Sanchez will have a new set of excuses afforded him by his worshipers! Oh he is learning a new offense! I can hear it now! lol I really do not care who goes or who stays! I just want a SUPER BOWL WIN soon!

TurkJetFan · 12-28-2011, 05:29 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;4297298]Calling Schitty a "scapegoat" is like saying John Wilkes Booth was the scapegoat for the Lincoln assassination.[/QUOTE]

bwahaha this going in my sig

auctionking · 12-28-2011, 05:54 PM

[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard.

How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just one example of the stuff that drives me crazy, even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE]What has Sanchez ever done to prove he is a bright kid. It seems to me he is not smart enough to grasp the pro game

LadainianIMnotDONE · 12-28-2011, 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=fidelioion;4297245]Maybe it's me but I get the sense Rex has almost nothing to do with current offense.[/QUOTE]

then your sense is wrong. His hands are all over this. Just watch NFL films when Schotty ask him "u wanna pass here" ... or when Rex tells Schotty "ground and pound" ... his hands are ALL over the offense which is why its so bad. We need somebody who comes in and just runs his offense whichever way he wants. It can be 30 runs this week and 40 passes next week. It can be a "you never know" whats coming type of offense. We just need the personnel for that. Get more depth at receivers ... Add a vertical deep threat next year and maybe Braylon. Braylon, Holmes, Kerley, and a vertical threat ... should do it. Add another Tightend thats a receiving threat. Maybe Cumberland recovers or maybe we get Finley from the Packers. Who knows and who cares ..... but something has to be done. I think we should also consider getting a another running back to compliment Shonn Greene. Part ways with LT, keep Mcknight in that Sproles role and get an Amad Bradshaw or Felix jones kind of back to compliment Greene. Greene isn't a featured back.

sameoldjets · 12-28-2011, 06:37 PM

broken record time. the same offensive plays will be there it's just a matter of when they're called and how the players are coached up. schitty does not know how to coach up his players. he expects them to learn the plays on their own and then gets upset when they fail. the players need to be taught how to execute. schitty would rather sit on his throne and watch film.

el_dub80 · 12-28-2011, 06:54 PM

Have Tom Moore call the plays ................. :yes:

quantum · 12-28-2011, 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard.

How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just one example of the stuff that drives me crazy, even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE]

um...yes. That's an awesome amount of common sense for a mod.

:alien: :D

section314 · 12-28-2011, 07:13 PM

A "scapegoat" when you have 40% of your offensive line in the Probowl, and you still rank 27th out of 32 teams in offense? Please........

Beerfish · 12-28-2011, 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=section314;4297513]A "scapegoat" when you have 40% of your offensive line in the Probowl, and you still rank 27th out of 32 teams in offense? Please........[/QUOTE]

Well our receivers are garbage half the time. The QB is very erratic and the RT is a disaster. The Jets should for sure get a new oc but that doesn't make the rest of the clown show any better.

chesapeakejet · 12-28-2011, 09:30 PM

[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard.

How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just [B]one example of the stuff that drives me crazy,[/B] even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE]

+1 :yes:

I've seen Sanchez split out as an end more often than any other qb, ever! And I'm old!

12-28-2011, 05:11 PM	#47
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Austin;4297379]When you have sources inside organizations you don't "cite" them. If you did, you wouldn't have sources for very long. I'm not saying they know for a fact Schotty is gone, I just think their knowledge of the situation is probably better than ours, and if they're willing to go out on enough of a limb to speculate he's gone, there's probably something more to it than their personal opinion.[/QUOTE] you'd like to think so...all im saying is the guy said "woody said schotty will be fired", which is not true...as the title of the thread itself says, it's speculation on all counts...its speculation i like, but its not fact. in terms of citing sources...no you dont flat out name them but saying things like "sources indicate" or something of that nature is common practice. in this case cimini actually said, "when the jets have had poor seasons woody has given someone the axe and this time it could be schotty" that's speculation by definition. Last edited by TurkJetFan; 12-28-2011 at 05:13 PM.

12-28-2011, 04:56 PM	#41
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4297360]I wouldn't say pure speculation but logical speculation. An educated guess, if you will[/QUOTE] it's speculation based on nothing. and woody never said anything of the sort.

12-28-2011, 05:02 PM	#42
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,680	[QUOTE=Buzzsaw;4297331]Rex....come on dude.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Borgoguy;4297335]If that's how Rex really feels--and is running this team--he should get a boot out the door with Shoddy today.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SMC;4297340]Rex acts like he's watching another's teams' offense. It's freaking absurd. The plays are being relayed through his headset. He can hear them all.[/QUOTE] Rex doesn't have the chops to ride Schotty's shoulder. He has to trust him; Rex has no feel for calling the offense. Do you think Jimmy Johnson told Norv Turner how to do his job. You guys need to stop.

12-28-2011, 05:03 PM	#43
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,189	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4297364]it's speculation based on nothing. and woody never said anything of the sort.[/QUOTE] I mean, it's speculation from reputable NFL insiders who have sources. It's not just some fan blogging about how Woody must hate Schotty because we all do.

12-28-2011, 05:05 PM	#44
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Austin;4297371]I mean, it's speculation from reputable NFL insiders who have sources. It's not just some fan blogging about how Woody must hate Schotty because we all do.[/QUOTE] they didnt cite any source what so ever...they are speculating plain and simple.

12-28-2011, 05:08 PM	#45
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,189	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4297373]they didnt cite any source what so ever...they are speculating plain and simple.[/QUOTE] When you have sources inside organizations you don't "cite" them. If you did, you wouldn't have sources for very long. I'm not saying they know for a fact Schotty is gone, I just think their knowledge of the situation is probably better than ours, and if they're willing to go out on enough of a limb to speculate he's gone, there's probably something more to it than their personal opinion.

12-28-2011, 05:11 PM	#46
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,132	[QUOTE=Zombo;4297242]If you have an offense the team already knows well, and the main gripe is poor playcalling, why not just promote a guy like Callahan to run the offense the way Rex wants it run? What would a new offense do besides stunt Sanchez's growth? Not much. Call more run plays, get rid of the stupid trickery, and the offense should be better.[/QUOTE] EXACTLY! I think the new OC's motto should be : [b]"KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!"[/b] :cool: 'cause really...that's all this offense needs. Nothing fancy, just pure plain run-of-the-mill playcalling : Step 1.) Establish the run Step 2.) If step 1 is successful, utilize the Playaction pass play Step 3.) If step 2 is successful, run the ball again 'till they stop you. No more Gadget plays No more Trick Plays [b]NO MORE WILDCAT!![/b] :mad: Keep it simple.

12-28-2011, 05:11 PM	#48
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,303	Heart hopes it is true. Brain tells me it is false.

12-28-2011, 05:17 PM	#49
Goodfellaz Gettin' a God damn snack... Practice Squad Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: North Jersey Posts: 376	[QUOTE=SMC;4297298]Calling Schitty a "scapegoat" is like saying John Wilkes Booth was the scapegoat for the Lincoln assassination.[/QUOTE] This. +10000

12-28-2011, 05:18 PM	#50
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,090	The jets do not have a dominant defense as we had and do not have a great o-line and have a on again off again back in Greene. Ground and pound will not do it against good teams. In this day and age you need to at least be reasonable at passing the ball. If the Jets do not dramatically improve the passing offense and establish some deep threats teams will just load the box and poach all the short stuff.

12-28-2011, 05:28 PM	#51
Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,885	[QUOTE=GoBigGreen;4297243]Getting rid of Schotty isn't going to solve our ills if Rex is persistent on a conservative, take no chances offense.[/QUOTE] agreed. And if we do become a strict GROUND & POUND team and fail to get the OL personnel to make it work, we will be wasting time marching in place. I think we need a whole new offense. Then Sanchez will have a new set of excuses afforded him by his worshipers! Oh he is learning a new offense! I can hear it now! lol I really do not care who goes or who stays! I just want a SUPER BOWL WIN soon!

12-28-2011, 05:29 PM	#52
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=SMC;4297298]Calling Schitty a "scapegoat" is like saying John Wilkes Booth was the scapegoat for the Lincoln assassination.[/QUOTE] bwahaha this going in my sig

12-28-2011, 05:54 PM	#53
auctionking Bye,Bye Rex Practice Squad Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 410	[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard. How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just one example of the stuff that drives me crazy, even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE]What has Sanchez ever done to prove he is a bright kid. It seems to me he is not smart enough to grasp the pro game

12-28-2011, 06:01 PM	#54
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	[QUOTE=fidelioion;4297245]Maybe it's me but I get the sense Rex has almost nothing to do with current offense.[/QUOTE] then your sense is wrong. His hands are all over this. Just watch NFL films when Schotty ask him "u wanna pass here" ... or when Rex tells Schotty "ground and pound" ... his hands are ALL over the offense which is why its so bad. We need somebody who comes in and just runs his offense whichever way he wants. It can be 30 runs this week and 40 passes next week. It can be a "you never know" whats coming type of offense. We just need the personnel for that. Get more depth at receivers ... Add a vertical deep threat next year and maybe Braylon. Braylon, Holmes, Kerley, and a vertical threat ... should do it. Add another Tightend thats a receiving threat. Maybe Cumberland recovers or maybe we get Finley from the Packers. Who knows and who cares ..... but something has to be done. I think we should also consider getting a another running back to compliment Shonn Greene. Part ways with LT, keep Mcknight in that Sproles role and get an Amad Bradshaw or Felix jones kind of back to compliment Greene. Greene isn't a featured back.

12-28-2011, 06:37 PM	#55
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,483	broken record time. the same offensive plays will be there it's just a matter of when they're called and how the players are coached up. schitty does not know how to coach up his players. he expects them to learn the plays on their own and then gets upset when they fail. the players need to be taught how to execute. schitty would rather sit on his throne and watch film.

12-28-2011, 06:54 PM	#56
el_dub80 With the 1st pick of the 2014 draft, the NY Jets select ... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,294	Have Tom Moore call the plays ................. :yes:

12-28-2011, 07:04 PM	#57
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard. How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just one example of the stuff that drives me crazy, even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE] um...yes. That's an awesome amount of common sense for a mod. :alien: :D

12-28-2011, 07:13 PM	#58
section314 ABA hoops expert Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,017	A "scapegoat" when you have 40% of your offensive line in the Probowl, and you still rank 27th out of 32 teams in offense? Please........

12-28-2011, 07:54 PM	#59
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,090	[QUOTE=section314;4297513]A "scapegoat" when you have 40% of your offensive line in the Probowl, and you still rank 27th out of 32 teams in offense? Please........[/QUOTE] Well our receivers are garbage half the time. The QB is very erratic and the RT is a disaster. The Jets should for sure get a new oc but that doesn't make the rest of the clown show any better.

12-28-2011, 09:30 PM	#60
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,503	[QUOTE=jetswin;4297252]I don't think the team's offense is very good. I don't like the pass routes, I don't like the personnel packages, and the running plays are not early as successful as years past (where is the toss sweep?). A new coordinator, with an understanding of the team's QB's limitations and strengths can design something that will at least catch an opponent off guard. How many times do the Jets roll out Sanchez with one WR in a route to that side? That's just [B]one example of the stuff that drives me crazy,[/B] even something that is Sanchez' strength is not fully taken advantage of...Shotty has to go, along with his offense. Sanchez is a bright kid, he can learn a new offense, this is not rocket science.[/QUOTE] +1 :yes: I've seen Sanchez split out as an end more often than any other qb, ever! And I'm old!