Probably the smartest thing written about this season

Raug · 01-06-2012, 06:44 AM

Now, I was angry for the last few days, but calmed down a bit now. And the truth is, the Jets are neither the "laughing stock" of the NFL (Redskins? Colts? The AFC West?) nor do they need to "clean the house" (how f**king stupid would that be?). I said after last season that they will take a step back, because getting twice in a row into the AFC Champ game is hard, and they had some cap-problems with resigning all those high contracts. Schotty feeling confirmed with the playoff-wins did not help either. I still expected the playoffs, but, well, didn't work out that way. Not the end of the world, next season will be better again.

There have to be changes (Schotty), but what happens in the press is just ridiculous. Let's stay realistic. So here I present what I felt is maybe the smartest thing written about all this mess, surprisingly, from deadspin:

[url]http://deadspin.com/5873340/the-new-york-jets-are-out+lupica+ing-mike-lupica[/url]

Excerpt:
[quote]If the ball bounces the other way a couple times, they go 10-6 and make the playoffs, and everyone calls it a nice season, and no one is delivering encyclicals on Birmingham radio. Do people really think this team is a leader and a couple trust-falls shy of greatness? The Jets are squarely in the NFL's middle class. They have an excellent defense and a smart coach who knows how to use it, and they have way too many defects on the other side of the ball to even approach the Patriots' or the Packers' level. (And for the record, that cancerous wide receiver is better at his job than the quarterback he snubbed, Mark Sanchez.) That sort of team will go 8-8 from time to time; you don't need any metaphysical explanations for that.[/quote]

sameoldjets · 01-06-2012, 06:50 AM

good point. what people seem to ignore is that it is very difficult to win in the nfl and the whole process is gamed so that teams are even. so an 8-8 record is respectable even though the playoffs are missed. this is also why it's not good to diss sanchez so much. sure he had some problems and needs some work but he is also the main reason why the jets won those 8 games too. schitty? no. he is the reason why the offense is in turmoil and has been a problem for quite some time. he needs to go so the jets can improve.

SAR I · 01-06-2012, 06:53 AM

The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue.

A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4.

SAR I

el_dub80 · 01-06-2012, 07:15 AM

[QUOTE]They have an excellent defense and a smart coach who knows how to use it, and they have way too many defects on the other side of the ball to even approach the Patriots' or the Packers' level.[/QUOTE]

There are sooooo many things WRONG with THIS statement about the Jets, and NOT just about the Jets ....... :eek:

frankiepapa · 01-06-2012, 07:36 AM

What absolutely drives me crazy about the last 5 or so days of media bashing and this perception of the NYJ is that we were one pick 6 in Denver from entering that Miami game 9-6 and in control of our own destiny. Yes, "a few bounces here and there" and we are in a completely different situation. The media would be now kissing up to us and predicting that we will beat Houston and have a shot against NE the following week.

How much different are we from last year? If the turmoil on the team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be, there is no way that it did not exist last year, just no way. We are virtually the same team from last year, and you can't tell me that TRich, Woody and Jenks (yes, who are all gone) would have had this lockeroom running smoothly, please....

John_0515 · 01-06-2012, 07:56 AM

[QUOTE=frankiepapa;4314608]What absolutely drives me crazy about the last 5 or so days of media bashing and this perception of the NYJ is that we were one pick 6 in Denver from entering that Miami game 9-6 and in control of our own destiny. Yes, "a few bounces here and there" and we are in a completely different situation. The media would be now kissing up to us and predicting that we will beat Houston and have a shot against NE the following week.

How much different are we from last year? If the turmoil on the team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be, there is no way that it did not exist last year, just no way. We are virtually the same team from last year, and you can't tell me that TRich, Woody and Jenks (yes, who are all gone) would have had this lockeroom running smoothly, please....[/QUOTE]

+1. Good post.

Dunnie · 01-06-2012, 08:07 AM

[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue.

A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4.

SAR I[/QUOTE]

Funny I was thinking a few bounces from 4-12.

rhyan66 · 01-06-2012, 08:12 AM

I thought for sure this thread was going to be about one of my posts...:eek:

Jet Blast · 01-06-2012, 08:37 AM

[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue.

A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4.

SAR I[/QUOTE]

SAR, I often disagree with you, but you hit the nail on the head here. I couldn't agree more.

Jets1958 · 01-06-2012, 08:41 AM

[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue.

A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4.

SAR I[/QUOTE]

Yes - and that's a leadership (coaches and players) and personnel issue. I think the Rex is partly to blame, Tanny as well with some low-character additions to the team, and then some character guys who previously supplied leadership were no longer there (Woody, T-rich, Jones).

Fixable if the right moves are made.

Borgoguy · 01-06-2012, 08:49 AM

[QUOTE=Dunnie;4314637]Funny I was thinking a few bounces from 4-12.[/QUOTE]

In all seriousness, without the dumb a$$ in Dallas, and a sure TD missed twice in the final two minutes by Buffalo, we go 6-10. That's the reality of this season, no matter how some folks will try to spin it like we had a successful year.

Just as in recovery, the first step to things getting better is admitting something is wrong. And in the way the season ended, and team imploded, something is surely wrong with our team and coaching.

John_0515 · 01-06-2012, 08:54 AM

[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314682]In all seriousness, without the dumb a$$ in Dallas, and a sure TD missed twice in the final two minutes by Buffalo, we go 6-10. That's the reality of this season, no matter how some folks will try to spin it like we had a successful year.

Just as in recovery, the first step to things getting better is admitting something is wrong. And in the way the season ended, and team imploded, something is surely wrong with our team and coaching.[/QUOTE]

In the same token, We stop Denver, don't throw one of the two stupid INT's to the D' lineman in Miami, and we're 10-6.

It works both ways. Fact is, we ended up 8-8.

Borgoguy · 01-06-2012, 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4314688]In the same token, We stop Denver, don't throw one of the two stupid INT's to the D' lineman in Miami, and we're 10-6.

It works both ways. Fact is, we ended up 8-8.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that those two teams threw those games away. [B]We[/B] had the opportunity to stop Tebow on that run...beat the Giants at home (don't allow a 99 yard pass play)...not lose to a f**king 5-10 Miami team.

Joe W. Namath · 01-06-2012, 08:58 AM

[QUOTE]They have an excellent defense[/QUOTE]

This just isnt true. Our d was ok but could never ever get a stop when we needed it.

fidelioion · 01-06-2012, 09:01 AM

I completely agree with the OP...

Francessa said something yesterday that really got me thinking this way.

Paraphrasing - If Victor Cruz doesn't catch that 99 TD - we're having a completely different discussion right now. The Jets probably win that game and wouldn't have quit in the Miami game and likely won that game. You're looking at 10 and 6 team getting ready to play the Texans. A very winnable game.

You're also looking at a Giant team that may not have made the playoffs and everyone is killing Eli and Coughlin's getting fired.

If you really look at as mentioned in the OP's article, a bounce here or there and the Jets win 10 and no complaints.

John_0515 · 01-06-2012, 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314692]The difference is that those two teams threw those games away. [B]We[/B] had the opportunity to stop Tebow on that run...beat the Giants at home (don't allow a 99 yard pass play)...not lose to a f**king 5-10 Miami team.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say they were good, but people are making it seem that the Jets couldn't stop the run all season.

The Jets let up more big plays this year than the last 2 years combined.

They're 8-8. The end.

Borgoguy · 01-06-2012, 09:10 AM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4314706]I didn't say they were good, but people are making it seem that the Jets couldn't stop the run all season.

The Jets let up more big plays this year than the last 2 years combined.

[B]They're 8-8. The end.[/B][/QUOTE]

Truth.

Mike D · 01-06-2012, 09:17 AM

A Tony Romo away from 7-9, I stopped reading at EXCELLENT defense...right.

lamont_jordan_rules · 01-06-2012, 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314719]Truth.[/QUOTE]

... + 999999999999 ...

l_j_r

Jet Hustle · 01-06-2012, 09:35 AM

So the Jets making the playoffs eliminates all locker room issues?

01-06-2012, 06:44 AM	#1
Raug editing his status Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, GER Posts: 504	Probably the smartest thing written about this season Now, I was angry for the last few days, but calmed down a bit now. And the truth is, the Jets are neither the "laughing stock" of the NFL (Redskins? Colts? The AFC West?) nor do they need to "clean the house" (how f**king stupid would that be?). I said after last season that they will take a step back, because getting twice in a row into the AFC Champ game is hard, and they had some cap-problems with resigning all those high contracts. Schotty feeling confirmed with the playoff-wins did not help either. I still expected the playoffs, but, well, didn't work out that way. Not the end of the world, next season will be better again. There have to be changes (Schotty), but what happens in the press is just ridiculous. Let's stay realistic. So here I present what I felt is maybe the smartest thing written about all this mess, surprisingly, from deadspin: [url]http://deadspin.com/5873340/the-new-york-jets-are-out+lupica+ing-mike-lupica[/url] Excerpt: [quote]If the ball bounces the other way a couple times, they go 10-6 and make the playoffs, and everyone calls it a nice season, and no one is delivering encyclicals on Birmingham radio. Do people really think this team is a leader and a couple trust-falls shy of greatness? The Jets are squarely in the NFL's middle class. They have an excellent defense and a smart coach who knows how to use it, and they have way too many defects on the other side of the ball to even approach the Patriots' or the Packers' level. (And for the record, that cancerous wide receiver is better at his job than the quarterback he snubbed, Mark Sanchez.) That sort of team will go 8-8 from time to time; you don't need any metaphysical explanations for that.[/quote]

01-06-2012, 06:50 AM	#2
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,481	good point. what people seem to ignore is that it is very difficult to win in the nfl and the whole process is gamed so that teams are even. so an 8-8 record is respectable even though the playoffs are missed. this is also why it's not good to diss sanchez so much. sure he had some problems and needs some work but he is also the main reason why the jets won those 8 games too. schitty? no. he is the reason why the offense is in turmoil and has been a problem for quite some time. he needs to go so the jets can improve.

01-06-2012, 06:53 AM	#3
SAR I is excitedly looking forward to December22, the last home game, The Rexecution Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 38,707	The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue. A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4. SAR I

01-06-2012, 07:15 AM	#4
el_dub80 With the 1st pick of the 2014 draft, the NY Jets select ... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,294	[QUOTE]They have an excellent defense and a smart coach who knows how to use it, and they have way too many defects on the other side of the ball to even approach the Patriots' or the Packers' level.[/QUOTE] There are sooooo many things WRONG with THIS statement about the Jets, and NOT just about the Jets ....... :eek:

01-06-2012, 07:36 AM	#5
frankiepapa hopes to bring back braylon and holmes All League Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,528	What absolutely drives me crazy about the last 5 or so days of media bashing and this perception of the NYJ is that we were one pick 6 in Denver from entering that Miami game 9-6 and in control of our own destiny. Yes, "a few bounces here and there" and we are in a completely different situation. The media would be now kissing up to us and predicting that we will beat Houston and have a shot against NE the following week. How much different are we from last year? If the turmoil on the team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be, there is no way that it did not exist last year, just no way. We are virtually the same team from last year, and you can't tell me that TRich, Woody and Jenks (yes, who are all gone) would have had this lockeroom running smoothly, please....

01-06-2012, 07:56 AM	#6
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=frankiepapa;4314608]What absolutely drives me crazy about the last 5 or so days of media bashing and this perception of the NYJ is that we were one pick 6 in Denver from entering that Miami game 9-6 and in control of our own destiny. Yes, "a few bounces here and there" and we are in a completely different situation. The media would be now kissing up to us and predicting that we will beat Houston and have a shot against NE the following week. How much different are we from last year? If the turmoil on the team is as bad as everyone is making it out to be, there is no way that it did not exist last year, just no way. We are virtually the same team from last year, and you can't tell me that TRich, Woody and Jenks (yes, who are all gone) would have had this lockeroom running smoothly, please....[/QUOTE] +1. Good post.

01-06-2012, 08:07 AM	#7
Dunnie still waiting ... All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,181	[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue. A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4. SAR I[/QUOTE] Funny I was thinking a few bounces from 4-12.

01-06-2012, 08:12 AM	#8
rhyan66 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,003	I thought for sure this thread was going to be about one of my posts...:eek:

01-06-2012, 08:37 AM	#9
Jet Blast is full of status All League Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Forked River, NJ Posts: 4,478	[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue. A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4. SAR I[/QUOTE] SAR, I often disagree with you, but you hit the nail on the head here. I couldn't agree more.

01-06-2012, 08:41 AM	#10
Jets1958 a Jets fan since 1967 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,219	[QUOTE=SAR I;4314587]The team quit, didn't play hard, didn't try. That's the issue. A few bounces from 10-6? How about a few no-shows from 12-4. SAR I[/QUOTE] Yes - and that's a leadership (coaches and players) and personnel issue. I think the Rex is partly to blame, Tanny as well with some low-character additions to the team, and then some character guys who previously supplied leadership were no longer there (Woody, T-rich, Jones). Fixable if the right moves are made.

01-06-2012, 08:49 AM	#11
Borgoguy Not one image until my posts are restored. Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,388	[QUOTE=Dunnie;4314637]Funny I was thinking a few bounces from 4-12.[/QUOTE] In all seriousness, without the dumb a$$ in Dallas, and a sure TD missed twice in the final two minutes by Buffalo, we go 6-10. That's the reality of this season, no matter how some folks will try to spin it like we had a successful year. Just as in recovery, the first step to things getting better is admitting something is wrong. And in the way the season ended, and team imploded, something is surely wrong with our team and coaching.

01-06-2012, 08:54 AM	#12
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314682]In all seriousness, without the dumb a$$ in Dallas, and a sure TD missed twice in the final two minutes by Buffalo, we go 6-10. That's the reality of this season, no matter how some folks will try to spin it like we had a successful year. Just as in recovery, the first step to things getting better is admitting something is wrong. And in the way the season ended, and team imploded, something is surely wrong with our team and coaching.[/QUOTE] In the same token, We stop Denver, don't throw one of the two stupid INT's to the D' lineman in Miami, and we're 10-6. It works both ways. Fact is, we ended up 8-8.

01-06-2012, 08:56 AM	#13
Borgoguy Not one image until my posts are restored. Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,388	[QUOTE=John_0515;4314688]In the same token, We stop Denver, don't throw one of the two stupid INT's to the D' lineman in Miami, and we're 10-6. It works both ways. Fact is, we ended up 8-8.[/QUOTE] The difference is that those two teams threw those games away. [B]We[/B] had the opportunity to stop Tebow on that run...beat the Giants at home (don't allow a 99 yard pass play)...not lose to a f**king 5-10 Miami team.

01-06-2012, 08:58 AM	#14
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,823	[QUOTE]They have an excellent defense[/QUOTE] This just isnt true. Our d was ok but could never ever get a stop when we needed it.

01-06-2012, 09:01 AM	#15
fidelioion alright Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,493	I completely agree with the OP... Francessa said something yesterday that really got me thinking this way. Paraphrasing - If Victor Cruz doesn't catch that 99 TD - we're having a completely different discussion right now. The Jets probably win that game and wouldn't have quit in the Miami game and likely won that game. You're looking at 10 and 6 team getting ready to play the Texans. A very winnable game. You're also looking at a Giant team that may not have made the playoffs and everyone is killing Eli and Coughlin's getting fired. If you really look at as mentioned in the OP's article, a bounce here or there and the Jets win 10 and no complaints.

01-06-2012, 09:02 AM	#16
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314692]The difference is that those two teams threw those games away. [B]We[/B] had the opportunity to stop Tebow on that run...beat the Giants at home (don't allow a 99 yard pass play)...not lose to a f**king 5-10 Miami team.[/QUOTE] I didn't say they were good, but people are making it seem that the Jets couldn't stop the run all season. The Jets let up more big plays this year than the last 2 years combined. They're 8-8. The end.

01-06-2012, 09:10 AM	#17
Borgoguy Not one image until my posts are restored. Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,388	[QUOTE=John_0515;4314706]I didn't say they were good, but people are making it seem that the Jets couldn't stop the run all season. The Jets let up more big plays this year than the last 2 years combined. [B]They're 8-8. The end.[/B][/QUOTE] Truth.

01-06-2012, 09:17 AM	#18
Mike D 2-14 here we come!! And I couldn't be happier about it!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sunrise, FL Posts: 9,914	A Tony Romo away from 7-9, I stopped reading at EXCELLENT defense...right.

01-06-2012, 09:23 AM	#19
lamont_jordan_rules Can't Wait To See Marty Mornhinweg's Offense! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Atlanta via NJ Posts: 6,241	[QUOTE=Borgoguy;4314719]Truth.[/QUOTE] ... + 999999999999 ... l_j_r

01-06-2012, 09:35 AM	#20
Jet Hustle going hard Veteran Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	So the Jets making the playoffs eliminates all locker room issues?