I just thought of an interesting comparison.

Eckesg1 · 01-11-2012, 02:27 PM

I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez.

David Carr.

Discuss

SlickBri481 · 01-11-2012, 02:29 PM

:eek:

hopefully that isn't the case. Carr never sniffed the playoffs either

dickkotite · 01-11-2012, 02:31 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez.

David Carr.

Discuss[/QUOTE]

hmmm one played qb and is healthy, the other played drums for kiss and is dead. im not seeing it

FYtheSG · 01-11-2012, 02:31 PM

I believe that David Carr was the first pick of a brand new franchise. They never had an offensive line and he took a beating. That might be the only similarities between the two, the beating Sanchez took this year and the beatings Carr took with Houston. Other than that there isn't much. Carr never had anywhere near the success that Sanchez has had. He may have had a down year but Sanchez has still won 4 road playoff games, has led several 4th quarter comebacks as a starter. He just needs to get a little tougher and he will be fine

Kotch · 01-11-2012, 02:33 PM

I don't really see any similarities at all between the two of them.

Carr was a godawful QB on some bad Houston teams who never had the pocket presence and quick release to get the ball out that the NFL demands. As a result he was sacked 76 times his rookie year, 49 times another year, and 68 in yet another year.

Sanchez isn't a good QB by any real measure, but he's not too far below average. Carr was atrocious by any measure.

dickkotite · 01-11-2012, 02:37 PM

well they are similar cus they are both hotties

they are different cus carr never played a playoff game and sanchez went far in only 3 years

sanchez is awesome stop the hating

DDNYjets · 01-11-2012, 02:37 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez.

David Carr.

Discuss[/QUOTE]

You are referring to the fact that Carr was regarded as a very talented QB but the Texans never protected him. Carr was pounded his first few years and it ruined his development and psyche. Carr became gun-shy and shell-shocked and has never recovered.

I have made the statement before that Sanchez will eventually suffer from the "David Carr effect" from the lack of his protection. However, I dont think it has gotten to that point after just one year. He is not to that point yet. But if the Jets dont fix this O-Line it might happen.

Fans will never understand the trauma these QBs receive in these games. Some of these hits are like being in a car accident. It has nothing to do with toughness, it is a natural survival instinct to protect yourself and not worry about delivering the ball.

Eckesg1 · 01-11-2012, 02:38 PM

What I meant was that he was a high draft pick, got rattled by sacks and suffered from some poor o-line play.

dickkotite · 01-11-2012, 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=Kotch;4324938]
Sanchez isn't a good QB by any real measure, but he's not too far below average. Carr was atrocious by any measure.[/QUOTE]

hey mayor how about the most important stat? wins vs losses? id say sanchez is way above average and pretty durable as well

Magnus · 01-11-2012, 02:45 PM

David Carr third year
61.2% 3,531yds 7.6avg 16td 14int 83.5 rating

Mark Sanchez third year
56.7% 3,474yds, 6.4avg, 26td, 18int, 78.2 rating

Yea Mark is soooo much better

Jerricho89 · 01-11-2012, 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=Magnus;4324972]David Carr third year
61.2% 3,531yds 7.6avg 16td 14int 83.5 rating

Mark Sanchez third year
56.7% 3,474yds, 6.4avg, 26td, 18int, 78.2 rating

Yea Mark is soooo much better[/QUOTE]

Eli Manning, fourth year
56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating

bitonti · 01-11-2012, 03:56 PM

ill throw a name out there

Alex Smith

jetsfan1983 · 01-11-2012, 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=Jerricho89;4325203]Eli Manning, fourth year
56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating[/QUOTE]

Haha, there goes that argument.

Playoff wins mean a lot and Mark has quite a few compared to Mr. Carr.

Beerfish · 01-11-2012, 04:00 PM

Not even close as far as how they entered the league.

Carr came to a team with zero talent, no offensive line at all and a crap front office that did not provide him with an oline.

Sanchez came into the league for his 1st two years with a team with top 5 Oline, top 5 running game and top 5 defense.

They may end up looking similar but Sanchez had all the advantages Carr did not have.

simijet · 01-11-2012, 04:11 PM

Fair comparison in that Sanchez is getting smacked around much like Carr was

in his Houston days. HOWEVER - Sanchez has nowhere near the talent level

possessed by Carr when he was drafted. Carr was not only athletically gifted,

he also possessed a howitzer - something Sanchez never had. As mentioned

earlier in the thread, we can only hope Sanchez isn't "damaged goods" because

of the beating he took this year.

jxc · 01-11-2012, 04:16 PM

Or [URL="https://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224052&page=2"]Joey Harrington[/URL].

sec318 · 01-11-2012, 05:56 PM

Joey harrington[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez.

David Carr.

Discuss[/QUOTE]

Redrew · 01-11-2012, 07:00 PM

'11 Jets = '11 Red Sox

Management unaware of poisonous locker room element....leading to late season collapse. Sox let down by pitching...Jets let down by QB play

Magnus · 01-11-2012, 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=Jerricho89;4325203]Eli Manning, fourth year
56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating[/QUOTE]

Everyone agrees that Eli was horrendous his first 4 years until he went on that run at the end of the year and continued it after that. There is a reason everyone was calling for his head and wanting him out. You know why? Because he was awful! Saying Sanchez plays like Eli did early in his career and showing their stats compare is not a compliment. It just reafirms he is playing terrible and deserves all the criticism he is getting.

You want to say oh since Eli was one of the extremely rare QB's that made a huge jump after his 4th year so now Sanchez will make that jump? NO! you cant say that. So now every QB who struggles his first three years is on pace to be the next Eli? Do you know how stupid that sounds? :steamin:

KR · 01-11-2012, 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez.

David Carr.

Discuss[/QUOTE]

Well its the exact opposite comparison.

David Carr had every skill Mark Sanchez did not. But he got put in the worst situation in the world and it killed him.

Mark Sanchez dreams of being as good as Carr could have been, but was put in the best situation of any QB in the last decade with the leagues best Oline, Best Running game, and Best defense in his rookie year.

In the end they both will end up good backup QB''s

01-11-2012, 02:27 PM	#1
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	I just thought of an interesting comparison. I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez. David Carr. Discuss

01-11-2012, 02:37 PM	#7
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,304	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez. David Carr. Discuss[/QUOTE] You are referring to the fact that Carr was regarded as a very talented QB but the Texans never protected him. Carr was pounded his first few years and it ruined his development and psyche. Carr became gun-shy and shell-shocked and has never recovered. I have made the statement before that Sanchez will eventually suffer from the "David Carr effect" from the lack of his protection. However, I dont think it has gotten to that point after just one year. He is not to that point yet. But if the Jets dont fix this O-Line it might happen. Fans will never understand the trauma these QBs receive in these games. Some of these hits are like being in a car accident. It has nothing to do with toughness, it is a natural survival instinct to protect yourself and not worry about delivering the ball. Last edited by DDNYjets; 01-11-2012 at 02:40 PM.

01-11-2012, 02:29 PM	#2
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	:eek: hopefully that isn't the case. Carr never sniffed the playoffs either

01-11-2012, 02:31 PM	#3
dickkotite SAR1 is my son..... All Pro Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 8,331	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez. David Carr. Discuss[/QUOTE] hmmm one played qb and is healthy, the other played drums for kiss and is dead. im not seeing it

01-11-2012, 02:31 PM	#4
FYtheSG All League Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 801	I believe that David Carr was the first pick of a brand new franchise. They never had an offensive line and he took a beating. That might be the only similarities between the two, the beating Sanchez took this year and the beatings Carr took with Houston. Other than that there isn't much. Carr never had anywhere near the success that Sanchez has had. He may have had a down year but Sanchez has still won 4 road playoff games, has led several 4th quarter comebacks as a starter. He just needs to get a little tougher and he will be fine

01-11-2012, 02:33 PM	#5
Kotch Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,897	I don't really see any similarities at all between the two of them. Carr was a godawful QB on some bad Houston teams who never had the pocket presence and quick release to get the ball out that the NFL demands. As a result he was sacked 76 times his rookie year, 49 times another year, and 68 in yet another year. Sanchez isn't a good QB by any real measure, but he's not too far below average. Carr was atrocious by any measure.

01-11-2012, 02:38 PM	#8
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	What I meant was that he was a high draft pick, got rattled by sacks and suffered from some poor o-line play.

01-11-2012, 02:45 PM	#10
Magnus Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,757	David Carr third year 61.2% 3,531yds 7.6avg 16td 14int 83.5 rating Mark Sanchez third year 56.7% 3,474yds, 6.4avg, 26td, 18int, 78.2 rating Yea Mark is soooo much better

01-11-2012, 03:54 PM	#11
Jerricho89 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,348	[QUOTE=Magnus;4324972]David Carr third year 61.2% 3,531yds 7.6avg 16td 14int 83.5 rating Mark Sanchez third year 56.7% 3,474yds, 6.4avg, 26td, 18int, 78.2 rating Yea Mark is soooo much better[/QUOTE] Eli Manning, fourth year 56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating

01-11-2012, 03:56 PM	#12
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	ill throw a name out there Alex Smith

01-11-2012, 03:56 PM	#13
jetsfan1983 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,835	[QUOTE=Jerricho89;4325203]Eli Manning, fourth year 56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating[/QUOTE] Haha, there goes that argument. Playoff wins mean a lot and Mark has quite a few compared to Mr. Carr.

01-11-2012, 04:00 PM	#14
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,090	Not even close as far as how they entered the league. Carr came to a team with zero talent, no offensive line at all and a crap front office that did not provide him with an oline. Sanchez came into the league for his 1st two years with a team with top 5 Oline, top 5 running game and top 5 defense. They may end up looking similar but Sanchez had all the advantages Carr did not have.

01-11-2012, 04:11 PM	#15
simijet All League Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 4,184	Fair comparison in that Sanchez is getting smacked around much like Carr was in his Houston days. HOWEVER - Sanchez has nowhere near the talent level possessed by Carr when he was drafted. Carr was not only athletically gifted, he also possessed a howitzer - something Sanchez never had. As mentioned earlier in the thread, we can only hope Sanchez isn't "damaged goods" because of the beating he took this year.

01-11-2012, 04:16 PM	#16
jxc All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,990	Or [URL="https://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224052&page=2"]Joey Harrington[/URL].

01-11-2012, 05:56 PM	#17
sec318 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,147	Joey harrington[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez. David Carr. Discuss[/QUOTE]

01-11-2012, 07:00 PM	#18
Redrew Jets Savant Practice Squad Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 317	'11 Jets = '11 Red Sox Management unaware of poisonous locker room element....leading to late season collapse. Sox let down by pitching...Jets let down by QB play

01-11-2012, 07:09 PM	#19
Magnus Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,757	[QUOTE=Jerricho89;4325203]Eli Manning, fourth year 56.1% 3,336 yds, 6.3 avg, 23 td, 20 int, 73.9 rating[/QUOTE] Everyone agrees that Eli was horrendous his first 4 years until he went on that run at the end of the year and continued it after that. There is a reason everyone was calling for his head and wanting him out. You know why? Because he was awful! Saying Sanchez plays like Eli did early in his career and showing their stats compare is not a compliment. It just reafirms he is playing terrible and deserves all the criticism he is getting. You want to say oh since Eli was one of the extremely rare QB's that made a huge jump after his 4th year so now Sanchez will make that jump? NO! you cant say that. So now every QB who struggles his first three years is on pace to be the next Eli? Do you know how stupid that sounds? :steamin:

01-11-2012, 07:15 PM	#20
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4324926]I've just had a thought of an interesting comaprison to the career of Mark Sanchez. David Carr. Discuss[/QUOTE] Well its the exact opposite comparison. David Carr had every skill Mark Sanchez did not. But he got put in the worst situation in the world and it killed him. Mark Sanchez dreams of being as good as Carr could have been, but was put in the best situation of any QB in the last decade with the leagues best Oline, Best Running game, and Best defense in his rookie year. In the end they both will end up good backup QB''s