Just L.O.L.

Warfish · 03-14-2012, 11:37 AM

[IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/371/obamaflag2640.jpg[/IMG]

The Obamaflag.

Just when I think the (R) have a monopoly on stupid tin-ear political management, the (D) remind me that their just as tone-deaf at times to how things look (the "optics", isn't that the newish political watchword these days?)

Just lol.

jetswin · 03-14-2012, 11:59 AM

horrendous

piney · 03-14-2012, 12:01 PM

I like the picture they used, I mean, if you are going to make an Obama American flag wouldn't you use a picture that doesn't make it look like he is constipated?

Trades · 03-14-2012, 12:03 PM

It is amazing that they could be so friggin stupid.

Winstonbiggs · 03-14-2012, 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4396400][IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/371/obamaflag2640.jpg[/IMG]

The Obamaflag.

Just when I think the (R) have a monopoly on stupid tin-ear political management, the (D) remind me that their just as tone-deaf at times to how things look (the "optics", isn't that the newish political watchword these days?)

Just lol.[/QUOTE]

They should put 57 stars on it.

Trades · 03-14-2012, 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4396476]They should put 57 stars on it.[/QUOTE]

LOL, they replaced 50 bright stars with one fading one.

Bonhomme Richard · 03-14-2012, 12:49 PM

LOL

Yeah, there's no cult of personality with this guy. Not at all.

"I pledge allegiance, to Obama, of the United States of Obama..."

parafly · 03-14-2012, 01:04 PM

In general, I tend to discourage and disagree with the deifying of politicians. It represents a dictorial/monarchical form of worship.

You can extend this argument to Presidential portraits on coins/paper money and monuments such as Mount Rushmore.

I would be curious to see what the reaction would be if this image of the flag was replaced by one with Ronald Reagan on it. My guess is the reaction from both sides would be quite different.

JetPotato · 03-14-2012, 01:08 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;4396534]In general, I tend to discourage and disagree with the deifying of politicians. It represents a dictorial/monarchical form of worship.

You can extend this argument to Presidential portraits on coins/paper money and monuments such as Mount Rushmore.

I would be curious to see what the reaction would be if this image of the flag was replaced by one with Ronald Reagan on it. My guess is the reaction from both sides would be quite different.[/QUOTE]

Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.

parafly · 03-14-2012, 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4396541]Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.

shakin318 · 03-14-2012, 01:12 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4396541]Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.[/QUOTE]

Or actually love the flag and the country it represents.

JetPotato · 03-14-2012, 01:13 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE]

Different degrees of silly.

OCCH · 03-14-2012, 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE]

I believe people who have played a major role in the foundation of this country deserve to be memorialized, which is different from worshipped.

Putting someone on a flag who has not done anything so far (and in fairness, hasn't had the time to even if he could) is DEFINITELY more in line with deification/worship . . .

Trades · 03-14-2012, 01:24 PM

[QUOTE=OCCH;4396558]I believe people who have played a major role in the foundation of this country deserve to be memorialized, which is different from worshipped.

Putting someone on a flag who has not done anything so far (and in fairness, hasn't had the time to even if he could) is DEFINITELY more in line with deification/worship . . .[/QUOTE]

None of them belong on the American flag, dead or alive. The flag and all it represents shouldn't be bastardized.

Warfish · 03-14-2012, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE]

You don't see any difference between George Washington's face on the money, and Barrack Obama face on the U.S. Flag in place of the Stars.

*speechless*

For the record, if anyone ever puts Ronald Regans face on the Flag, I hereby am against it and repeat what I said in the OP.

If someone some day puts Obama on the money....well, I can't say it's really earned tbh, but I suppose for the historic nature of being the first bi-racial President, I'm ok with it.

OCCH · 03-14-2012, 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=Trades;4396567]None of them belong on the American flag, dead or alive. The flag and all it represents shouldn't be bastardized.[/QUOTE]

And none of them are.

But the argument shouldn't be "does Obama deserve to be on a flag" -- being recognized in ANY form would be deifying him, as he's done nothing to deserve the attention . . .

jetswin · 03-14-2012, 01:45 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4396579]
If someone some day puts Obama on the money....[/QUOTE]
I hear he is the front runner for the trillion dollar bill

parafly · 03-14-2012, 01:46 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4396579]You don't see any difference between George Washington's face on the money, and Barrack Obama face on the U.S. Flag in place of the Stars.[/QUOTE]

In terms of deifying politicians and/or historical figures, no.

Measures of greatness are in the eye of the beholder.

Warfish · 03-14-2012, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;4396619]In terms of deifying politicians and/or historical figures, no.

Measures of greatness are in the eye of the beholder.[/QUOTE]

I would disagree, and point out a difference in intent between respecting/honoring and deifying.

I love money, and I don't see any man on our money as a God. However, I do see our money as having honored theri place in our collective national history.

Measures of Greatness are not only in the eye of the individual, but also in that of the collective when it comes to formal, official, honorarium.

Out of curiosity, what would have on our money in place of the dead Presidents, how would you name all the schools and buildings named after people, etc.

parafly · 03-14-2012, 02:05 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4396626]I would disagree, and point out a difference in intent between respecting/honoring and deifying.[/QUOTE]

In my mind, the difference is semantics. Objectively classifying intent is very difficult. One man's honoring is another man's deifying.

[QUOTE]Measures of Greatness are not only in the eye of the individual, but also in that of the collective when it comes to formal, official, honorarium.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. My only argument here is what defines "collective," and does it exclude the minority populations of society?

From the perspective of the African American community, Obama has achieved greatness based solely on the fact of being elected POTUS.

[QUOTE]Out of curiosity, what would have on our money in place of the dead Presidents, how would you name all the schools and buildings named after people, etc.[/QUOTE]

A symbol, number, or inanimate object.

Just to be clear, I don't really have a problem with any of the memorializing. Just playing devil's advocate and pointing out the various scenarios are really not all that different.

03-14-2012, 11:37 AM	#1
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	Just L.O.L. [IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/371/obamaflag2640.jpg[/IMG] The Obamaflag. Just when I think the (R) have a monopoly on stupid tin-ear political management, the (D) remind me that their just as tone-deaf at times to how things look (the "optics", isn't that the newish political watchword these days?) Just lol.

03-14-2012, 11:59 AM	#2
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,465	horrendous

03-14-2012, 12:01 PM	#3
piney hip deep in dirty diapers All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,618	I like the picture they used, I mean, if you are going to make an Obama American flag wouldn't you use a picture that doesn't make it look like he is constipated?

03-14-2012, 12:03 PM	#4
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,558	It is amazing that they could be so friggin stupid.

03-14-2012, 12:17 PM	#5
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,937	[QUOTE=Warfish;4396400][IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/371/obamaflag2640.jpg[/IMG] The Obamaflag. Just when I think the (R) have a monopoly on stupid tin-ear political management, the (D) remind me that their just as tone-deaf at times to how things look (the "optics", isn't that the newish political watchword these days?) Just lol.[/QUOTE] They should put 57 stars on it.

03-14-2012, 12:38 PM	#6
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,558	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4396476]They should put 57 stars on it.[/QUOTE] LOL, they replaced 50 bright stars with one fading one.

03-14-2012, 12:49 PM	#7
Bonhomme Richard Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 4,102	LOL Yeah, there's no cult of personality with this guy. Not at all. "I pledge allegiance, to Obama, of the United States of Obama..."

03-14-2012, 01:04 PM	#8
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	In general, I tend to discourage and disagree with the deifying of politicians. It represents a dictorial/monarchical form of worship. You can extend this argument to Presidential portraits on coins/paper money and monuments such as Mount Rushmore. I would be curious to see what the reaction would be if this image of the flag was replaced by one with Ronald Reagan on it. My guess is the reaction from both sides would be quite different.

03-14-2012, 01:08 PM	#9
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=parafly;4396534]In general, I tend to discourage and disagree with the deifying of politicians. It represents a dictorial/monarchical form of worship. You can extend this argument to Presidential portraits on coins/paper money and monuments such as Mount Rushmore. I would be curious to see what the reaction would be if this image of the flag was replaced by one with Ronald Reagan on it. My guess is the reaction from both sides would be quite different.[/QUOTE] Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.

03-14-2012, 01:09 PM	#10
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4396541]Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.[/QUOTE] I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.

03-14-2012, 01:12 PM	#11
shakin318 Beslubbering beef-witted lout Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Funkytown Posts: 7,181	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4396541]Dead people on stuff doesn't really have the same meaning. Especially those who have actually accomplished significant and positive contributions to society.[/QUOTE] Or actually love the flag and the country it represents.

03-14-2012, 01:13 PM	#12
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE] Different degrees of silly.

03-14-2012, 01:15 PM	#13
OCCH glad I have more purpose in life than Jets football . . . Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,413	[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE] I believe people who have played a major role in the foundation of this country deserve to be memorialized, which is different from worshipped. Putting someone on a flag who has not done anything so far (and in fairness, hasn't had the time to even if he could) is DEFINITELY more in line with deification/worship . . .

03-14-2012, 01:24 PM	#14
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,558	[QUOTE=OCCH;4396558]I believe people who have played a major role in the foundation of this country deserve to be memorialized, which is different from worshipped. Putting someone on a flag who has not done anything so far (and in fairness, hasn't had the time to even if he could) is DEFINITELY more in line with deification/worship . . .[/QUOTE] None of them belong on the American flag, dead or alive. The flag and all it represents shouldn't be bastardized.

03-14-2012, 01:28 PM	#15
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=parafly;4396546]I don't see how dead vs. alive plays any meaningful role. Worship is worship.[/QUOTE] You don't see any difference between George Washington's face on the money, and Barrack Obama face on the U.S. Flag in place of the Stars. speechless For the record, if anyone ever puts Ronald Regans face on the Flag, I hereby am against it and repeat what I said in the OP. If someone some day puts Obama on the money....well, I can't say it's really earned tbh, but I suppose for the historic nature of being the first bi-racial President, I'm ok with it.

03-14-2012, 01:30 PM	#16
OCCH glad I have more purpose in life than Jets football . . . Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,413	[QUOTE=Trades;4396567]None of them belong on the American flag, dead or alive. The flag and all it represents shouldn't be bastardized.[/QUOTE] And none of them are. But the argument shouldn't be "does Obama deserve to be on a flag" -- being recognized in ANY form would be deifying him, as he's done nothing to deserve the attention . . .

03-14-2012, 01:45 PM	#17
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,465	[QUOTE=Warfish;4396579] If someone some day puts Obama on the money....[/QUOTE] I hear he is the front runner for the trillion dollar bill

03-14-2012, 01:46 PM	#18
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=Warfish;4396579]You don't see any difference between George Washington's face on the money, and Barrack Obama face on the U.S. Flag in place of the Stars.[/QUOTE] In terms of deifying politicians and/or historical figures, no. Measures of greatness are in the eye of the beholder.

03-14-2012, 01:49 PM	#19
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=parafly;4396619]In terms of deifying politicians and/or historical figures, no. Measures of greatness are in the eye of the beholder.[/QUOTE] I would disagree, and point out a difference in intent between respecting/honoring and deifying. I love money, and I don't see any man on our money as a God. However, I do see our money as having honored theri place in our collective national history. Measures of Greatness are not only in the eye of the individual, but also in that of the collective when it comes to formal, official, honorarium. Out of curiosity, what would have on our money in place of the dead Presidents, how would you name all the schools and buildings named after people, etc.

03-14-2012, 02:05 PM	#20
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=Warfish;4396626]I would disagree, and point out a difference in intent between respecting/honoring and deifying.[/QUOTE] In my mind, the difference is semantics. Objectively classifying intent is very difficult. One man's honoring is another man's deifying. [QUOTE]Measures of Greatness are not only in the eye of the individual, but also in that of the collective when it comes to formal, official, honorarium.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. My only argument here is what defines "collective," and does it exclude the minority populations of society? From the perspective of the African American community, Obama has achieved greatness based solely on the fact of being elected POTUS. [QUOTE]Out of curiosity, what would have on our money in place of the dead Presidents, how would you name all the schools and buildings named after people, etc.[/QUOTE] A symbol, number, or inanimate object. Just to be clear, I don't really have a problem with any of the memorializing. Just playing devil's advocate and pointing out the various scenarios are really not all that different.