Ax Marine Who Put Obama on Jackass Poster

PlumberKhan · 04-06-2012, 10:57 AM

[QUOTE][url]http://www.newser.com/story/143500/prosecutor-toss-marine-who-put-prez-on-jackass-poster.html[/url]

A military board has determined that a Marine sergeant committed misconduct and should be dismissed because he posted derogatory comments and Facebook photos of President Obama. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein launched a Facebook page called the Armed Forces Tea Party, in which he slammed Obama, violating Pentagon rules banning criticism of superiors, including the commander in chief, the board decided. Among the attacks on the president, Stein superimposed Obama's face on a poster for the movie Jackass, and on a poster for The Incredibles, changing the name to "The Horribles," prosecutor Captain John Torresala revealed to the panel in a presentation yesterday.

The digs were "prejudicial to good order and discipline," Torresala argued. The board recommendation—which also urges a "less-than-honorable discharge" for the nine-year Marine—has been forwarded to a general, who will decide what action to take, reports AP. Stein's attorney had argued that his client "broke no law," and Stein has insisted all along that he has a right to free speech even while serving in the military. A military policy dating to the Civil War limits the free speech of service members. Members of the military may not support a political party, candidate, or cause while in uniform, nor speak contemptuously about their superiors.[/QUOTE]

Thought? Lolz....

JetPotato · 04-06-2012, 11:01 AM

Oh this should be fun

FF2® · 04-06-2012, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4428885]Oh this should be fun[/QUOTE]

I dont think so, biting your tongue about the commander-in-chief is as old as the military itself.

Trades · 04-06-2012, 11:04 AM

Was he in uniform while typing on Facebook? Can that be proven?

Warfish · 04-06-2012, 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4428878]Thought? Lolz....[/QUOTE]

He signed up, and should have been aware of the rules when he did so.

He broke the rules, and faced the consequences.

No issue.

With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.

palmetto defender · 04-06-2012, 11:18 AM

No issue at all. The rules forbid what he did. There are no First Amendment rights relative to the military. Do this in the civilian world to your boss or CEO and you're fired.
He was wrong. He's done. Only question - a dishonorable or general discharge. Either way, the kiss of death.

PlumberKhan · 04-06-2012, 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4428902]With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.[/QUOTE]

I think the rule needs to be tweeked slightly. I don't see why someone who is serving can't voice opinions of FB...they ARE allowed to vote and thus have opinions on politics, especially since politics has quite an effect on their job.

Maybe he shouldn't have made the page......but it's kind of sh*tty that he's gonna receive a less than honorable discharge because of it. They could have reprimanded him and simply had him delete the page.

palmetto defender · 04-06-2012, 11:54 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4428927]I think the rule needs to be tweeked slightly. I don't see why someone who is serving can't voice opinions of FB...they ARE allowed to vote and thus have opinions on politics, especially since politics has quite an effect on their job.

Maybe he shouldn't have made the page......but it's kind of sh*tty that he's gonna receive a less than honorable discharge because of it. They could have reprimanded him and simply had him delete the page.[/QUOTE]

The rule is basically that you can not have ANY political activity. You are allowed to vote and think what you want, you not "globally" express it. Military rules can be strict. It depends on the officer in charge of the unit. Not in this case though because the opinions were broadcast.

PlumberKhan · 04-06-2012, 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4428975]The rule is basically that you can not have ANY political activity. You are allowed to vote and think what you want, you not "globally" express it. Military rules can be strict. It depends on the officer in charge of the unit. Not in this case though because the opinions were broadcast.[/QUOTE]

I think where he went wrong was calling it the "Armed Forces" Tea Party Page...probably would've been better for him had he just left that part out.

piney · 04-06-2012, 12:08 PM

the worst part is they weren't even funny.."The Horribles"? I would be embarrassed if a bad joke got me kicked out of the military.

You could have put him on the "Quick Change" poster and kept the title, and he would have been in a clown suit, that has to be better than "The Horribles"

WestCoastOffensive · 04-06-2012, 12:09 PM

Too bad that a guy whose training has cost the USA plenty will be dumped. He was pretttttty dumb to go against tradition.

Let me have a triple foam latte, there, Soldier Guy. Try not to **** it up, the way you butchered your career. :D

Jetdawgg · 04-06-2012, 12:34 PM

Total f'n idiot. How could anyone in the Armed Forces think that you can get away with publicly dissing the POTUS/CIC, when you can get into trouble for dissing a SNCO/NCO/Officer?

Furthermore, we are now in a 'draw down'. He made himself an easy target to dismiss. He was never given any unlawful orders, so how could he claim that 'if' he was given any?

If he wanted to make the FB page, he should have never notified the public that he was a Marine.

When one starts to draw lines in the sand, they should not be surprised when the ocean says 'go 'f' yourself'

JetPotato · 04-06-2012, 12:51 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4428902]He signed up, and should have been aware of the rules when he did so.

He broke the rules, and faced the consequences.

No issue.

With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.[/QUOTE]

This

SafetyBlitz · 04-06-2012, 12:58 PM

If I were President, I'd be calling up this General and ordering him to ignore the recommendation and dismiss the motion for a dishonorable discharge.

This cosmetic sh*t is annoying. If he was willing to fight, I don't give a sh*t if he criticizes the President on his facebook page.

palmetto defender · 04-06-2012, 01:11 PM

[QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4429069]If I were President, I'd be calling up this General and ordering him to ignore the recommendation and dismiss the motion for a dishonorable discharge.

This cosmetic sh*t is annoying. If he was willing to fight, I don't give a sh*t if he criticizes the President on his facebook page.[/QUOTE]

You might, but nobody else would. It's a bad precedent and represents a breakdown in discipline. What's a guy do next, flip off his commander?
Lots of guys are willing to fight. There are other rules that need to be followed for a cohesive unit.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 04-06-2012, 01:17 PM

Pretty much in agreement here with most of you...

BUT, a dishonorable discharge for a 9 year vet who I'm assuming fought most of both wars wouldn't be right in this case...

JetPotato · 04-06-2012, 01:21 PM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4429109]Pretty much in agreement here with most of you...

BUT, a dishonorable discharge for a 9 year vet who I'm assuming fought most of both wars wouldn't be right in this case...[/QUOTE]

Those are the rules. It's not as if they made up this sentence after he did it. He must have known what the consequences would be. If not, ignorance is no excuse.

That said, he's now free to point out how stupid Obama is as much as he pleases.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 04-06-2012, 01:24 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4429116]
That said, he's now free to point out how stupid Obama is as much as he pleases.[/QUOTE]

Someone needs to drag him in here to spice up the poli forum...

SafetyBlitz · 04-06-2012, 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4429100]You might, but nobody else would. It's a bad precedent and represents a breakdown in discipline. What's a guy do next, flip off his commander?
Lots of guys are willing to fight. There are other rules that need to be followed for a cohesive unit.[/QUOTE]

I see a distinction between flipping off a CO and criticizing the President on your facebook page.

But whatever, we'll see what happens with this...

cr726 · 04-06-2012, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4429129]I see a distinction between flipping off a CO and criticizing the President on your facebook page.

But whatever, we'll see what happens with this...[/QUOTE]

The UCMJ has strict laws and the Marine Corps is not the place to test them.

Active military duty is exactly that, you are never off duty. I've witnessed fellow Marines get in a lot if trouble for very minimal things compared to civilian life.

Plus, you gotta love a recruiter who complains about other people being dishonest. :D

04-06-2012, 10:57 AM	#1
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	Ax Marine Who Put Obama on Jackass Poster [QUOTE][url]http://www.newser.com/story/143500/prosecutor-toss-marine-who-put-prez-on-jackass-poster.html[/url] A military board has determined that a Marine sergeant committed misconduct and should be dismissed because he posted derogatory comments and Facebook photos of President Obama. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein launched a Facebook page called the Armed Forces Tea Party, in which he slammed Obama, violating Pentagon rules banning criticism of superiors, including the commander in chief, the board decided. Among the attacks on the president, Stein superimposed Obama's face on a poster for the movie Jackass, and on a poster for The Incredibles, changing the name to "The Horribles," prosecutor Captain John Torresala revealed to the panel in a presentation yesterday. The digs were "prejudicial to good order and discipline," Torresala argued. The board recommendation—which also urges a "less-than-honorable discharge" for the nine-year Marine—has been forwarded to a general, who will decide what action to take, reports AP. Stein's attorney had argued that his client "broke no law," and Stein has insisted all along that he has a right to free speech even while serving in the military. A military policy dating to the Civil War limits the free speech of service members. Members of the military may not support a political party, candidate, or cause while in uniform, nor speak contemptuously about their superiors.[/QUOTE] Thought? Lolz....

04-06-2012, 11:01 AM	#2
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	Oh this should be fun

04-06-2012, 11:02 AM	#3
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,212	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4428885]Oh this should be fun[/QUOTE] I dont think so, biting your tongue about the commander-in-chief is as old as the military itself.

04-06-2012, 11:04 AM	#4
Trades Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,558	Was he in uniform while typing on Facebook? Can that be proven?

04-06-2012, 11:06 AM	#5
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4428878]Thought? Lolz....[/QUOTE] He signed up, and should have been aware of the rules when he did so. He broke the rules, and faced the consequences. No issue. With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.

04-06-2012, 11:18 AM	#6
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,680	No issue at all. The rules forbid what he did. There are no First Amendment rights relative to the military. Do this in the civilian world to your boss or CEO and you're fired. He was wrong. He's done. Only question - a dishonorable or general discharge. Either way, the kiss of death.

04-06-2012, 11:20 AM	#7
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=Warfish;4428902]With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.[/QUOTE] I think the rule needs to be tweeked slightly. I don't see why someone who is serving can't voice opinions of FB...they ARE allowed to vote and thus have opinions on politics, especially since politics has quite an effect on their job. Maybe he shouldn't have made the page......but it's kind of sh*tty that he's gonna receive a less than honorable discharge because of it. They could have reprimanded him and simply had him delete the page.

04-06-2012, 11:54 AM	#8
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,680	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4428927]I think the rule needs to be tweeked slightly. I don't see why someone who is serving can't voice opinions of FB...they ARE allowed to vote and thus have opinions on politics, especially since politics has quite an effect on their job. Maybe he shouldn't have made the page......but it's kind of sh*tty that he's gonna receive a less than honorable discharge because of it. They could have reprimanded him and simply had him delete the page.[/QUOTE] The rule is basically that you can not have ANY political activity. You are allowed to vote and think what you want, you not "globally" express it. Military rules can be strict. It depends on the officer in charge of the unit. Not in this case though because the opinions were broadcast.

04-06-2012, 12:06 PM	#9
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4428975]The rule is basically that you can not have ANY political activity. You are allowed to vote and think what you want, you not "globally" express it. Military rules can be strict. It depends on the officer in charge of the unit. Not in this case though because the opinions were broadcast.[/QUOTE] I think where he went wrong was calling it the "Armed Forces" Tea Party Page...probably would've been better for him had he just left that part out.

04-06-2012, 12:08 PM	#10
piney hip deep in dirty diapers All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,618	the worst part is they weren't even funny.."The Horribles"? I would be embarrassed if a bad joke got me kicked out of the military. You could have put him on the "Quick Change" poster and kept the title, and he would have been in a clown suit, that has to be better than "The Horribles"

04-06-2012, 12:09 PM	#11
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,667	Too bad that a guy whose training has cost the USA plenty will be dumped. He was pretttttty dumb to go against tradition. Let me have a triple foam latte, there, Soldier Guy. Try not to **** it up, the way you butchered your career. :D

04-06-2012, 12:34 PM	#12
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,688	Total f'n idiot. How could anyone in the Armed Forces think that you can get away with publicly dissing the POTUS/CIC, when you can get into trouble for dissing a SNCO/NCO/Officer? Furthermore, we are now in a 'draw down'. He made himself an easy target to dismiss. He was never given any unlawful orders, so how could he claim that 'if' he was given any? If he wanted to make the FB page, he should have never notified the public that he was a Marine. When one starts to draw lines in the sand, they should not be surprised when the ocean says 'go 'f' yourself'

04-06-2012, 12:51 PM	#13
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=Warfish;4428902]He signed up, and should have been aware of the rules when he did so. He broke the rules, and faced the consequences. No issue. With that said, I don't particularly like the "no support, etc." rule, as it's something of a violation fo personal freedom, but again, you sign alot of that away when you choose to sign up for the services.[/QUOTE] This

04-06-2012, 12:58 PM	#14
SafetyBlitz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,997	If I were President, I'd be calling up this General and ordering him to ignore the recommendation and dismiss the motion for a dishonorable discharge. This cosmetic sht is annoying. If he was willing to fight, I don't give a sht if he criticizes the President on his facebook page.

04-06-2012, 01:11 PM	#15
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,680	[QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4429069]If I were President, I'd be calling up this General and ordering him to ignore the recommendation and dismiss the motion for a dishonorable discharge. This cosmetic sht is annoying. If he was willing to fight, I don't give a sht if he criticizes the President on his facebook page.[/QUOTE] You might, but nobody else would. It's a bad precedent and represents a breakdown in discipline. What's a guy do next, flip off his commander? Lots of guys are willing to fight. There are other rules that need to be followed for a cohesive unit.

04-06-2012, 01:17 PM	#16
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,452	Pretty much in agreement here with most of you... BUT, a dishonorable discharge for a 9 year vet who I'm assuming fought most of both wars wouldn't be right in this case...

04-06-2012, 01:21 PM	#17
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4429109]Pretty much in agreement here with most of you... BUT, a dishonorable discharge for a 9 year vet who I'm assuming fought most of both wars wouldn't be right in this case...[/QUOTE] Those are the rules. It's not as if they made up this sentence after he did it. He must have known what the consequences would be. If not, ignorance is no excuse. That said, he's now free to point out how stupid Obama is as much as he pleases.

04-06-2012, 01:24 PM	#18
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,452	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4429116] That said, he's now free to point out how stupid Obama is as much as he pleases.[/QUOTE] Someone needs to drag him in here to spice up the poli forum...

04-06-2012, 01:28 PM	#19
SafetyBlitz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,997	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4429100]You might, but nobody else would. It's a bad precedent and represents a breakdown in discipline. What's a guy do next, flip off his commander? Lots of guys are willing to fight. There are other rules that need to be followed for a cohesive unit.[/QUOTE] I see a distinction between flipping off a CO and criticizing the President on your facebook page. But whatever, we'll see what happens with this...

04-06-2012, 02:14 PM	#20
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,325	[QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4429129]I see a distinction between flipping off a CO and criticizing the President on your facebook page. But whatever, we'll see what happens with this...[/QUOTE] The UCMJ has strict laws and the Marine Corps is not the place to test them. Active military duty is exactly that, you are never off duty. I've witnessed fellow Marines get in a lot if trouble for very minimal things compared to civilian life. Plus, you gotta love a recruiter who complains about other people being dishonest. :D