Rumor: Jets trying to trade up in 2nd round for Stephen Hill - Page 3

Raider9175 · 04-27-2012, 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4449772]Without giving up your source, please ask them what they plan to do about RT.[/QUOTE]

Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.

John_0515 · 04-27-2012, 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4450233]Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.[/QUOTE]

Raids, I pray Hunter took the Anthony Munoz pass blocking seminar this off season.

Snell41 · 04-27-2012, 02:51 PM

[QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449969]LOL.

Yeah, hopefully you don't mind being covered in 3rd degree burns due to the car exploding as soon as you took it off the lot.[/QUOTE]

We're Jets fans, self inflicted pain is our strongpoint.

KR · 04-27-2012, 03:08 PM

[QUOTE=51JetsFanInPA;4449847]I thought we desperately need a pass rusher?[/QUOTE]

Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin:

Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA.

This is a big problem for the jets....

revischrist · 04-27-2012, 03:11 PM

[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin:

Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA.

This is a big problem for the jets....[/QUOTE]

lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.

jayrad01 · 04-27-2012, 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449860]Aim higher:

We drafted diet Julius Peppers.[/QUOTE]

I truly loled on this one. Funny as hell!!

Tony Danza · 04-27-2012, 03:27 PM

[QUOTE=revischrist;4450346]lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.[/QUOTE]

Its unfair to compare their 4-3 to our 3-4 but people who think a 3-4 DE cant help the pass rush are insane.

Any push or pressure the Jets can get helps no matter where it comes from.

Also considering Ryan picked Maybin off the scrap heap and got half a dozen sacks shows he can deal with the OLB situation as is. I trust Ryans judgement on D.

tfine350z · 04-27-2012, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=jayrad01;4450361]I truly loled on this one. Funny as hell!![/QUOTE]

They loled at Mario Williams his first year too....:)

Paradis · 04-27-2012, 03:30 PM

[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin:...[/QUOTE]

hows not understanding football going for you?

What you're saying is the equivalent to us drafting the best Olineman in the draft and saying "this will not effect our running game at all".

Great dline = boost in production from OLBs

C Mart · 04-27-2012, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=Scoop24;4449819]What??? Everybody had this guy in the 1st in every single Mock.[/QUOTE]

Since he didn't go in the first seems all those mocks were wrong :D

KR · 04-27-2012, 03:52 PM

[QUOTE=revischrist;4450346]lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.[/QUOTE]

The giants have the best dine in football and play 4-3 mostly.... don't think of putting us in the same sentence as them.

KR · 04-27-2012, 03:58 PM

[QUOTE=Paradis;4450380]hows not understanding football going for you?

What you're saying is the equivalent to us drafting the best Olineman in the draft and saying "this will not effect our running game at all".

Great dline = boost in production from OLBs[/QUOTE]

Nice grammar and thought process. Put words in my mouth that I did not say, and then quote them lol. Great....

So let's play along with your wonderful logic....We drafted 2 dlinemen last year and what happened ? We went from top 5 defense in the league to average at best. We still had to blitz like crazy to get a pass rush and AGAIN our biggest need in the offseason was a pass rushing OLB- hence why the jets worked so many of them out.

So no, you have no idea what your talking about.

johnnysd · 04-27-2012, 04:01 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;4449882]Rex says he is going to be a DE, hand in the ground, DE ala wilkerson. Not an olb. Most 3-4's generate pass rush from OLB's. The guys question was legit because although coples is looked at as a pass rusher if he plays DE in the 3-4 he has to be a lot more disciplined and won't be given as much out right freedom to get after the QB.[/QUOTE]

I think we are going to be playing a LOT of big nickel and 4 man fronts in the coming year. Maybe even incorporating some "Wide 9" concepts with Maybin. Our personnel is starting to look more 4-3 ish than 3-4 and I am not sure Rex is tethered to maintaining a 3-4 as our base defense.

C Mart · 04-27-2012, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=Tony Danza;4450372]Its unfair to compare their 4-3 to our 3-4 but people who think a 3-4 DE cant help the pass rush are insane.

Any push or pressure the Jets can get helps no matter where it comes from.

Also considering Ryan picked Maybin off the scrap heap and got half a dozen sacks shows he can deal with the OLB situation as is.[B] I trust Ryans judgement on D[/B].[/QUOTE]

even after he initially allowed Maybin to be cut?

KR · 04-27-2012, 04:04 PM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4450233]Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.[/QUOTE]

That is true. If we abandon throwing the ball altogether we are set at RT besides the fact our starting rt is only avg in the run game. Unfortunelty to get past Balt, pitt, or NE we will have to throw the ball as well.

Ne sacked the hell out of us last time we played and their pass rush improved. Baltimore almost ended Sanchez career and made him tap, and Pittsburgh lives in the backfield. So yea, I would say we kinda need a upgrade at oline or the season is over before it even starts.

augustiniak · 04-27-2012, 04:05 PM

[QUOTE=johnnysd;4450431]I think we are going to be playing a LOT of big nickel and 4 man fronts in the coming year. Maybe even incorporating some "Wide 9" concepts with Maybin. Our personnel is starting to look more 4-3 ish than 3-4 and I am not sure Rex is tethered to maintaining a 3-4 as our base defense.[/QUOTE]

the more pressure they can get using linemen the better the defense becomes. rex is nothing if not flexible. he'll adapt the defense to the talent he has.

Ray Ray19 · 04-27-2012, 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin:

Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA.

This is a big problem for the jets....[/QUOTE]

Pace isn't old, he's 31, still in his prime.

Jets do have young players in Maybin and Sapp that have a lot of upside, especially Maybin, if he puts on weight.

I'd agree that the Jets need to address OLB in this draft, but I think the team has to evaluate that need based on what they have on the roster right now.

JB1089 · 04-27-2012, 04:21 PM

[QUOTE=KR;4450428]Nice grammar and thought process. Put words in my mouth that I did not say, and then quote them lol. Great....

So let's play along with your wonderful logic....We drafted 2 dlinemen last year and what happened ? [B]We went from top 5 defense in the league to average at best.[/B] We still had to blitz like crazy to get a pass rush and AGAIN our biggest need in the offseason was a pass rushing OLB- hence why the jets worked so many of them out.

So no, you have no idea what your talking about.[/QUOTE]

We were a top 6-7 defense last year. When did that become average?

jetsman51 · 04-27-2012, 04:22 PM

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4450457]Pace isn't old, he's 31, still in his prime.

Jets do have young players in Maybin and Sapp that have a lot of upside, especially Maybin, if he puts on weight.

I'd agree that the Jets need to address OLB in this draft, but I think the team has to evaluate that need based on what they have on the roster right now.[/QUOTE]

Pace has lagged year on year since we got him. I like him, and Coples should help his production, but we do not have our terrell suggs bottom line. I know not many teams in the league do, but it seems like that's a cornerstone of Rex's D. I like the Coples pick though.

SizzleBear287 · 04-27-2012, 04:28 PM

Ugh, the offensive line needs to be the top priority. Receiver can wait till round 3 (hopefully Nick Toon).

04-27-2012, 02:30 PM	#41
Raider9175 Raider football- JUST FLYNN BABY. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,305	[QUOTE=John_0515;4449772]Without giving up your source, please ask them what they plan to do about RT.[/QUOTE] Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.

04-27-2012, 02:41 PM	#42
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,132	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4450233]Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.[/QUOTE] Raids, I pray Hunter took the Anthony Munoz pass blocking seminar this off season.

04-27-2012, 02:51 PM	#43
Snell41 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,496	[QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449969]LOL. Yeah, hopefully you don't mind being covered in 3rd degree burns due to the car exploding as soon as you took it off the lot.[/QUOTE] We're Jets fans, self inflicted pain is our strongpoint.

04-27-2012, 03:08 PM	#44
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=51JetsFanInPA;4449847]I thought we desperately need a pass rusher?[/QUOTE] Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin: Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA. This is a big problem for the jets....

04-27-2012, 03:11 PM	#45
revischrist Dee Best! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,741	[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin: Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA. This is a big problem for the jets....[/QUOTE] lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.

04-27-2012, 03:21 PM	#46
jayrad01 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cocoa,FL Posts: 2,087	[QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449860]Aim higher: We drafted diet Julius Peppers.[/QUOTE] I truly loled on this one. Funny as hell!!

04-27-2012, 03:27 PM	#47
Tony Danza All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,696	[QUOTE=revischrist;4450346]lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.[/QUOTE] Its unfair to compare their 4-3 to our 3-4 but people who think a 3-4 DE cant help the pass rush are insane. Any push or pressure the Jets can get helps no matter where it comes from. Also considering Ryan picked Maybin off the scrap heap and got half a dozen sacks shows he can deal with the OLB situation as is. I trust Ryans judgement on D.

04-27-2012, 03:29 PM	#48
tfine350z looking for a new avatar Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,123	[QUOTE=jayrad01;4450361]I truly loled on this one. Funny as hell!![/QUOTE] They loled at Mario Williams his first year too....:)

04-27-2012, 03:30 PM	#49
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,108	[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin:...[/QUOTE] hows not understanding football going for you? What you're saying is the equivalent to us drafting the best Olineman in the draft and saying "this will not effect our running game at all". Great dline = boost in production from OLBs

04-27-2012, 03:31 PM	#50
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	[QUOTE=Scoop24;4449819]What??? Everybody had this guy in the 1st in every single Mock.[/QUOTE] Since he didn't go in the first seems all those mocks were wrong :D

04-27-2012, 03:52 PM	#51
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=revischrist;4450346]lol, so you are already thinking about 2013? The giants had zero production from their LBs last year (either ineffective or hurt) and with a great defensive line, they did OK last year.[/QUOTE] The giants have the best dine in football and play 4-3 mostly.... don't think of putting us in the same sentence as them.

04-27-2012, 03:58 PM	#52
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=Paradis;4450380]hows not understanding football going for you? What you're saying is the equivalent to us drafting the best Olineman in the draft and saying "this will not effect our running game at all". Great dline = boost in production from OLBs[/QUOTE] Nice grammar and thought process. Put words in my mouth that I did not say, and then quote them lol. Great.... So let's play along with your wonderful logic....We drafted 2 dlinemen last year and what happened ? We went from top 5 defense in the league to average at best. We still had to blitz like crazy to get a pass rush and AGAIN our biggest need in the offseason was a pass rushing OLB- hence why the jets worked so many of them out. So no, you have no idea what your talking about.

04-27-2012, 04:01 PM	#53
johnnysd Founding Member of the Geno Bandwagon Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,145	[QUOTE=Beerfish;4449882]Rex says he is going to be a DE, hand in the ground, DE ala wilkerson. Not an olb. Most 3-4's generate pass rush from OLB's. The guys question was legit because although coples is looked at as a pass rusher if he plays DE in the 3-4 he has to be a lot more disciplined and won't be given as much out right freedom to get after the QB.[/QUOTE] I think we are going to be playing a LOT of big nickel and 4 man fronts in the coming year. Maybe even incorporating some "Wide 9" concepts with Maybin. Our personnel is starting to look more 4-3 ish than 3-4 and I am not sure Rex is tethered to maintaining a 3-4 as our base defense.

04-27-2012, 04:02 PM	#54
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	[QUOTE=Tony Danza;4450372]Its unfair to compare their 4-3 to our 3-4 but people who think a 3-4 DE cant help the pass rush are insane. Any push or pressure the Jets can get helps no matter where it comes from. Also considering Ryan picked Maybin off the scrap heap and got half a dozen sacks shows he can deal with the OLB situation as is.[B] I trust Ryans judgement on D[/B].[/QUOTE] even after he initially allowed Maybin to be cut?

04-27-2012, 04:04 PM	#55
KR Counting the days until Mark Sanchez is benched... All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,843	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4450233]Nothing. All you have to look at what they done this off season . My guess is they figure when they were predominately a run first team, Wayne Hunter was solid as a starting RT. Only when they tried to be more a passing offense did the Oline really struggle.[/QUOTE] That is true. If we abandon throwing the ball altogether we are set at RT besides the fact our starting rt is only avg in the run game. Unfortunelty to get past Balt, pitt, or NE we will have to throw the ball as well. Ne sacked the hell out of us last time we played and their pass rush improved. Baltimore almost ended Sanchez career and made him tap, and Pittsburgh lives in the backfield. So yea, I would say we kinda need a upgrade at oline or the season is over before it even starts.

04-27-2012, 04:05 PM	#56
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,123	[QUOTE=johnnysd;4450431]I think we are going to be playing a LOT of big nickel and 4 man fronts in the coming year. Maybe even incorporating some "Wide 9" concepts with Maybin. Our personnel is starting to look more 4-3 ish than 3-4 and I am not sure Rex is tethered to maintaining a 3-4 as our base defense.[/QUOTE] the more pressure they can get using linemen the better the defense becomes. rex is nothing if not flexible. he'll adapt the defense to the talent he has.

04-27-2012, 04:17 PM	#57
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,840	[QUOTE=KR;4450341]Lol @ people thinking coples solves our pass rush problems. :steamin: Love or hate the pick we still have NO OLB signed to contracts next year. Pace will be gone and old, Thomas old and fa, Maybin a FA. This is a big problem for the jets....[/QUOTE] Pace isn't old, he's 31, still in his prime. Jets do have young players in Maybin and Sapp that have a lot of upside, especially Maybin, if he puts on weight. I'd agree that the Jets need to address OLB in this draft, but I think the team has to evaluate that need based on what they have on the roster right now.

04-27-2012, 04:21 PM	#58
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,712	[QUOTE=KR;4450428]Nice grammar and thought process. Put words in my mouth that I did not say, and then quote them lol. Great.... So let's play along with your wonderful logic....We drafted 2 dlinemen last year and what happened ? [B]We went from top 5 defense in the league to average at best.[/B] We still had to blitz like crazy to get a pass rush and AGAIN our biggest need in the offseason was a pass rushing OLB- hence why the jets worked so many of them out. So no, you have no idea what your talking about.[/QUOTE] We were a top 6-7 defense last year. When did that become average?

04-27-2012, 04:22 PM	#59
jetsman51 All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,948	[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4450457]Pace isn't old, he's 31, still in his prime. Jets do have young players in Maybin and Sapp that have a lot of upside, especially Maybin, if he puts on weight. I'd agree that the Jets need to address OLB in this draft, but I think the team has to evaluate that need based on what they have on the roster right now.[/QUOTE] Pace has lagged year on year since we got him. I like him, and Coples should help his production, but we do not have our terrell suggs bottom line. I know not many teams in the league do, but it seems like that's a cornerstone of Rex's D. I like the Coples pick though.

04-27-2012, 04:28 PM	#60
SizzleBear287 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,414	Ugh, the offensive line needs to be the top priority. Receiver can wait till round 3 (hopefully Nick Toon).