Wow-Jaws and Herm inadvertantly mock a team whilst discussing RG3 and Cousins

JStokes · 04-28-2012, 02:57 PM

So the Skins go out, trade up and pick THEIR guy--their franchise leader.

RG3. Skins done for the next decade.

And then a few rounds later go out and pick another possible starting QB...Kirk Cousins? :huh:

Both made the point this is just a horrible move from a lockeroom standpoint, a practice reps/snaps standpoint, a fan standpoint.

Just an idiotic thing to do.

I've heard this story before.

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John_0515 · 04-28-2012, 02:59 PM

There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc.

I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?

jetsfan1983 · 04-28-2012, 03:00 PM

It's crazy yet quite a few successful teams do it.

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 04-28-2012, 03:01 PM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4452082]There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc.

I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?[/QUOTE]

No but you can draft him, develop him and trade him...

halfsharkalligatorhalfman · 04-28-2012, 03:03 PM

Backup QB is an important position, especially for RG3 who projects to be a mobile QB and will get tackled more than most QBs.

I see nothing wrong with it, the problem actually is most teams think drafting a player for a position of need means the problem is solved. There's just too much uncertainty with projecting college kids and injuries. You are drafting lottery tickets.

John_0515 · 04-28-2012, 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4452085]No but you can draft him, develop him and trade him...[/QUOTE]

Why not draft a player you need, develop him and keep him?

JStokes · 04-28-2012, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4452082]There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc.

I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?[/QUOTE]

Hey, I'm no expert, but they made a very valid case for why you just don't do that.

Good thing for RG3 that Cousins doesn't have legion of Buddhist fans rooting for him.

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JStokes · 04-28-2012, 03:05 PM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4452085]No but you can draft him, develop him and trade him...[/QUOTE]

So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line?

Interesting strategy.

Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016.

:D

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RazorJet · 04-28-2012, 03:05 PM

No.... this is different. THIS is a bad move if your looking for a unified lockeroom.
What we have going is possibly a completely different kind of disaster. But if it works, it'll be alot of fun to watch how they rotate TT into the game. Maybe come in at H-back for a play and then take a snap so its not keyed on so much. I back Sanchez all the way, but this is what it is.

JStokes · 04-28-2012, 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=RazorJet;4452095]No.... this is different. THIS is a bad move if your looking for a unified lockeroom.
What we have going is possibly a completely different kind of disaster. But if it works, it'll be alot of fun to watch how they rotate TT into the game. Maybe come in at H-back for a play and then take a snap so its not keyed on so much. I back Sanchez all the way, but this is what it is.[/QUOTE]

Whoa whoa whoa--who mentioned the Jets?

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C Mart · 04-28-2012, 03:13 PM

[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.

Peebag · 04-28-2012, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;4452089]Hey, I'm no expert, but they made a very valid case for why you just don't do that.

Good thing for RG3 that Cousins doesn't have legion of Buddhist fans rooting for him.

_[/QUOTE]

ur sneaky funny....

JStokes · 04-28-2012, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Peebag;4452116]ur sneaky funny....[/QUOTE]

I tend to fly under the radar.

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DDNYjets · 04-28-2012, 03:25 PM

[QUOTE=C Mart;4452109][URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the NFL.

John_0515 · 04-28-2012, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;4452094]So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line?

Interesting strategy.

Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016.

:D

_[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought that didn't make sense either.

JStokes · 04-28-2012, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=C Mart;4452109][URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.[/QUOTE]

Yup- just released.

He would be a good backup.

No, wait...

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sg3 · 04-28-2012, 04:02 PM

Herman Kotite and Jaws...

two more excellent reason to watch the draft on NFLN

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 04-28-2012, 04:04 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;4452094]So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line?

Interesting strategy.

Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016.

:D

_[/QUOTE]

When the Pats did it with Mullet, they were geniuses, to be fair...

Dreamers · 04-28-2012, 05:58 PM

Well not really a stupid move at all IMO. They had nothing at QB and burned every bridge in FA. Bringing back an aging Rex or drafting their next BU WAS their only options. Now for the next 4 years they don't have to even look at QBs. From a GM standpoint I'd say he made a good move. Picking Cousins isn't undermining the guy you JUST spent 3 1st rounders on. You think he will actually see Cousins as his competition? I don't think so. Cousins will be a good BU and may have some trade value down the line.

Bonhomme Richard · 04-28-2012, 06:20 PM

Jaws said Kellen Clemens was the next Drew Brees.

Herm is... Herm.

04-28-2012, 02:57 PM	#1
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	Wow-Jaws and Herm inadvertantly mock a team whilst discussing RG3 and Cousins So the Skins go out, trade up and pick THEIR guy--their franchise leader. RG3. Skins done for the next decade. And then a few rounds later go out and pick another possible starting QB...Kirk Cousins? :huh: Both made the point this is just a horrible move from a lockeroom standpoint, a practice reps/snaps standpoint, a fan standpoint. Just an idiotic thing to do. I've heard this story before. _

04-28-2012, 02:59 PM	#2
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,126	There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc. I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?

04-28-2012, 03:00 PM	#3
jetsfan1983 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,835	It's crazy yet quite a few successful teams do it.

04-28-2012, 03:01 PM	#4
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,448	[QUOTE=John_0515;4452082]There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc. I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?[/QUOTE] No but you can draft him, develop him and trade him...

04-28-2012, 03:03 PM	#5
halfsharkalligatorhalfman FREE VILMA Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 509	Backup QB is an important position, especially for RG3 who projects to be a mobile QB and will get tackled more than most QBs. I see nothing wrong with it, the problem actually is most teams think drafting a player for a position of need means the problem is solved. There's just too much uncertainty with projecting college kids and injuries. You are drafting lottery tickets.

04-28-2012, 03:04 PM	#7
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=John_0515;4452082]There were so many other players they could have picked based on BAP, need, etc. I don't understand why they picked him, either. Maybe they're not totally sold on RG3? You can't draft Cousins with the intention of making him a career backup. Can you?[/QUOTE] Hey, I'm no expert, but they made a very valid case for why you just don't do that. Good thing for RG3 that Cousins doesn't have legion of Buddhist fans rooting for him. _

04-28-2012, 03:05 PM	#8
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4452085]No but you can draft him, develop him and trade him...[/QUOTE] So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line? Interesting strategy. Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016. :D _

04-28-2012, 03:05 PM	#9
RazorJet W P S! !!!! no, i mean it. Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Atkins, Arkansas Posts: 1,616	No.... this is different. THIS is a bad move if your looking for a unified lockeroom. What we have going is possibly a completely different kind of disaster. But if it works, it'll be alot of fun to watch how they rotate TT into the game. Maybe come in at H-back for a play and then take a snap so its not keyed on so much. I back Sanchez all the way, but this is what it is.

04-28-2012, 03:07 PM	#10
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=RazorJet;4452095]No.... this is different. THIS is a bad move if your looking for a unified lockeroom. What we have going is possibly a completely different kind of disaster. But if it works, it'll be alot of fun to watch how they rotate TT into the game. Maybe come in at H-back for a play and then take a snap so its not keyed on so much. I back Sanchez all the way, but this is what it is.[/QUOTE] Whoa whoa whoa--who mentioned the Jets? _

04-28-2012, 03:13 PM	#11
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	[URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.

04-28-2012, 03:18 PM	#12
Peebag being disappointed since January 13th, 1969 All Pro Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: great midwest -well not so great Posts: 7,110	[QUOTE=JStokes;4452089]Hey, I'm no expert, but they made a very valid case for why you just don't do that. Good thing for RG3 that Cousins doesn't have legion of Buddhist fans rooting for him. _[/QUOTE] ur sneaky funny....

04-28-2012, 03:25 PM	#14
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,255	[QUOTE=C Mart;4452109][URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the NFL.

04-28-2012, 03:29 PM	#15
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,126	[QUOTE=JStokes;4452094]So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line? Interesting strategy. Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016. :D _[/QUOTE] Yeah, I thought that didn't make sense either.

04-28-2012, 03:31 PM	#16
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=C Mart;4452109][URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][B]gregg rosenthal[/B] ‏ @[B]greggrosenthal[/B] [/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/#%21/greggrosenthal"][/URL]John Beck was big story on 3rd day of '11 draft. Redskins leaked he's the guy. 1 year later, he's gone.[/QUOTE] Yup- just released. He would be a good backup. No, wait... _

04-28-2012, 04:02 PM	#17
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,369	Herman Kotite and Jaws... two more excellent reason to watch the draft on NFLN

04-28-2012, 04:04 PM	#18
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,448	[QUOTE=JStokes;4452094]So, this is a play for 3-4 years down the line? Interesting strategy. Maybe get a high pick for him in 2016. :D _[/QUOTE] When the Pats did it with Mullet, they were geniuses, to be fair...

04-28-2012, 05:58 PM	#19
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	Well not really a stupid move at all IMO. They had nothing at QB and burned every bridge in FA. Bringing back an aging Rex or drafting their next BU WAS their only options. Now for the next 4 years they don't have to even look at QBs. From a GM standpoint I'd say he made a good move. Picking Cousins isn't undermining the guy you JUST spent 3 1st rounders on. You think he will actually see Cousins as his competition? I don't think so. Cousins will be a good BU and may have some trade value down the line.

04-28-2012, 06:20 PM	#20
Bonhomme Richard Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 4,094	Jaws said Kellen Clemens was the next Drew Brees. Herm is... Herm.