John Harbaugh: Saints, Patriots' titles should have asterisks

petejet · 05-01-2012, 12:04 PM

Ravens coach John Harbaugh in an interview with Baltimore's 98 Rock radio said he believes the accomplishments of the Patriots and Saints in winning Super Bowls were tainted because they broke rules.

"In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said according to Robert Klemko of USA Today. "What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It's been stained."

"To me, it's never worth it," Harbaugh said. "You have to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage, you have to figure out ways to make the most of everything. We have new work rules here as far as what we can do and what we can't do with our players, and we're going to make the most of it. What we're finding is, 'Man, maybe we can do some things even better than we did before, because these rules make us focus more on some things that we didn't focus on before. You just have to make them work for you. That's what success is in the world. You have to find a way to do things better than somebody else. But if you're cheating, in the end, you're going to get discredited. It's not worth it."

AFCEastFan · 05-01-2012, 12:10 PM

I'll take the over on 10 pages.

DDNYjets · 05-01-2012, 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4455992]I'll take the over on 10 pages.[/QUOTE]

Well over.

Your countrymen will do their part.

;)

Charlie Brown · 05-01-2012, 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=petejet;4455984]Ravens coach John Harbaugh in an interview with Baltimore's 98 Rock radio said he believes the accomplishments of the Patriots and Saints in winning Super Bowls were tainted because they broke rules.

[B][SIZE="2"]"In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said according to Robert Klemko of USA Today. "What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It's been stained."[/SIZE][/B]
"To me, it's never worth it," Harbaugh said. "You have to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage, you have to figure out ways to make the most of everything. We have new work rules here as far as what we can do and what we can't do with our players, and we're going to make the most of it. What we're finding is, 'Man, maybe we can do some things even better than we did before, because these rules make us focus more on some things that we didn't focus on before. You just have to make them work for you. That's what success is in the world. You have to find a way to do things better than somebody else. But if you're cheating, in the end, you're going to get discredited. It's not worth it."[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="2"]WOW!!!!!!:eek:[/SIZE][/B]

It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!!

It also puts to bed the continuing refrain and the lie "that everybody was doing it"!!!! No they weren't and aren't....

Nevertheless I might fine coach John Harbaugh if I were NFL commissioner for making these statements he maybe right but you just can't do it!!!!!

Carlton · 05-01-2012, 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4455992]I'll take the over on 10 pages.[/QUOTE]

I just googled this. I must have missed this whole spygate thing? Anyone care to explain? :confused:

Mohegangreen · 05-01-2012, 12:15 PM

I always liked Harbaugh...him making these comments is gonna get the whole league talking about it again. Karma's a *****!

PatsFanTX · 05-01-2012, 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4455994]

It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!!

[/QUOTE]

This is coming from a HC who has had one of the most talented teams in the NFL and he can't figure out how to get to the Super Bowl.

Sour grapes and jealousy from an underachieving HC of a loaded team.

Boynton Beach Jets · 05-01-2012, 12:18 PM

How long before this turns into a Patsie*** circle jerk

DDNYjets · 05-01-2012, 12:19 PM

Lets not forget there might be some bad blood from the AFCCG. Justifiably so.

If I am not mistaken, there were some rumblings that the Pats did some tomfoolery with the scoreboard or playclock on that final Raven drive.

Either way, anything that brings attention to Spygate is always a plus.

McGinley · 05-01-2012, 12:24 PM

lol @ you guys. John is just mad that New England owned him, and then his OWN KICKER screwed them over. He is salty as hell, and you guys are just pathetic to jump behind this man's retarded comments just because you're so caught up with trying to be better than the Patriots.

**** that. We're the Jets, and that's pretty awesome. Quit comparing us eternally to the Pats.

PatsFanTX · 05-01-2012, 12:26 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4456010]

If I am not mistaken, there were some rumblings that the Pats did some tomfoolery with the scoreboard or playclock on that final Raven drive.

[/QUOTE]

And that's my point about Harbaugh.

He had a TO to burn when all that confusions was going on at the end of the game and he elected not to use it.

Harbaugh's stupidity cost the Ravens that game.

DDNYjets · 05-01-2012, 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4456018]And that's my point about Harbaugh.

He had a TO to burn when all that confusions was going on at the end of the game and he elected not to use it.

Harbaugh's stupidity cost the Ravens that game.[/QUOTE]

Are you acknowledging the Pats may have done something with the scoreboard (I think it was the down that was changed) in an effort to force the Ravens to use a timeout?

I think the refs are also to blame for this. But they weren't going to help the Ravens.

TurkJetFan · 05-01-2012, 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4455994][B][SIZE="2"]WOW!!!!!!:eek:[/SIZE][/B]

It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!!

It also puts to bed the continuing refrain and the lie "that everybody was doing it"!!!! No they weren't and aren't....

Nevertheless I might fine coach John Harbaugh if I were NFL commissioner for making these statements he maybe right but you just can't do it!!!!![/QUOTE]

dont worry...pats fans will dispute this even occurred until the day they die.

FF2® · 05-01-2012, 12:30 PM

Week 3:

Pats 55
Ravens 14

Write it in ink Hoss. :yes:

PatsFanTX · 05-01-2012, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4456024]Are you acknowledging the Pats may have done something with the scoreboard (I think it was the down that was changed) in an effort to force the Ravens to use a timeout?[/QUOTE]

The scoreboard showed it was 3rd down, and not 4th down which it actually was.

If a NFL HC needs a scoreboard to tell him what down it was in that situation, then he shouldn't be a NFL HC.

FF2® · 05-01-2012, 12:33 PM

[QUOTE=Carlton;4455995]I just googled this. I must have missed this whole spygate thing? Anyone care to explain? :confused:[/QUOTE]

If I recall this correctly (it was a long time ago) Pats took a picture from the wrong angle. :confused:

Everyone did it and it didn't give them any advantage. At least that's what Rah Rah and sg3 posted at the time.

If I'm remembering correctly.

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 05-01-2012, 12:36 PM

Could not agree more. I did not like the Saints getting to the SB and did not like the smell of them winning. I think their trophy should be revoked. If you can do it for a Heisman...

bullitt929 · 05-01-2012, 12:41 PM

Well, everybody's got an opinion, and mine hasn't changed. The Pats did what they did, and there was a significant penalty. If Harbaugh doesn't think so, I'll gladly take Suggs off his hands. The asterisk must be planted in his brain because I haven't seen it in the almanac. To me, Spygate is old news. I am fully aware that many on this board, and now John Harbaugh, totally disagree with me, and that's fine.

I just want to beat the Pats. This year, next year, the year after. And I want a Lombardi or two or three. I don't care to try to make myself feel better by throwing mud at someone else's Lombardi, even those of the hated Patriots.

Xmarco · 05-01-2012, 12:47 PM

His story vs. Pats story and then the truth - We didnt make the playoffs so who gives a %$^&!?!

PatsFanTX · 05-01-2012, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=Vinny Testaverde's Niece;4456039]

I think their trophy should be revoked.

[/QUOTE]

Do you think the Vegas bookies would reverse their payouts if that happened?

05-01-2012, 12:04 PM	#1
petejet Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 8,217	John Harbaugh: Saints, Patriots' titles should have asterisks Ravens coach John Harbaugh in an interview with Baltimore's 98 Rock radio said he believes the accomplishments of the Patriots and Saints in winning Super Bowls were tainted because they broke rules. "In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said according to Robert Klemko of USA Today. "What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It's been stained." "To me, it's never worth it," Harbaugh said. "You have to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage, you have to figure out ways to make the most of everything. We have new work rules here as far as what we can do and what we can't do with our players, and we're going to make the most of it. What we're finding is, 'Man, maybe we can do some things even better than we did before, because these rules make us focus more on some things that we didn't focus on before. You just have to make them work for you. That's what success is in the world. You have to find a way to do things better than somebody else. But if you're cheating, in the end, you're going to get discredited. It's not worth it."

05-01-2012, 12:10 PM	#2
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,027	I'll take the over on 10 pages.

05-01-2012, 12:12 PM	#3
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,257	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4455992]I'll take the over on 10 pages.[/QUOTE] Well over. Your countrymen will do their part. ;)

05-01-2012, 12:13 PM	#4
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,512	[QUOTE=petejet;4455984]Ravens coach John Harbaugh in an interview with Baltimore's 98 Rock radio said he believes the accomplishments of the Patriots and Saints in winning Super Bowls were tainted because they broke rules. [B][SIZE="2"]"In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said according to Robert Klemko of USA Today. "What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It's been stained."[/SIZE][/B] "To me, it's never worth it," Harbaugh said. "You have to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage, you have to figure out ways to make the most of everything. We have new work rules here as far as what we can do and what we can't do with our players, and we're going to make the most of it. What we're finding is, 'Man, maybe we can do some things even better than we did before, because these rules make us focus more on some things that we didn't focus on before. You just have to make them work for you. That's what success is in the world. You have to find a way to do things better than somebody else. But if you're cheating, in the end, you're going to get discredited. It's not worth it."[/QUOTE] [B][SIZE="2"]WOW!!!!!!:eek:[/SIZE][/B] It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!! It also puts to bed the continuing refrain and the lie "that everybody was doing it"!!!! No they weren't and aren't.... Nevertheless I might fine coach John Harbaugh if I were NFL commissioner for making these statements he maybe right but you just can't do it!!!!!

05-01-2012, 12:13 PM	#5
Carlton Teh jobless idle spawn of wealth guy. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,374	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4455992]I'll take the over on 10 pages.[/QUOTE] I just googled this. I must have missed this whole spygate thing? Anyone care to explain? :confused:

05-01-2012, 12:15 PM	#6
Mohegangreen Truth, Justice and The American Way Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,309	I always liked Harbaugh...him making these comments is gonna get the whole league talking about it again. Karma's a *****!

05-01-2012, 12:16 PM	#7
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4455994] It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!! [/QUOTE] This is coming from a HC who has had one of the most talented teams in the NFL and he can't figure out how to get to the Super Bowl. Sour grapes and jealousy from an underachieving HC of a loaded team.

05-01-2012, 12:18 PM	#8
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	How long before this turns into a Patsie*** circle jerk

05-01-2012, 12:19 PM	#9
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,257	Lets not forget there might be some bad blood from the AFCCG. Justifiably so. If I am not mistaken, there were some rumblings that the Pats did some tomfoolery with the scoreboard or playclock on that final Raven drive. Either way, anything that brings attention to Spygate is always a plus.

05-01-2012, 12:24 PM	#10
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,446	lol @ you guys. John is just mad that New England owned him, and then his OWN KICKER screwed them over. He is salty as hell, and you guys are just pathetic to jump behind this man's retarded comments just because you're so caught up with trying to be better than the Patriots. **** that. We're the Jets, and that's pretty awesome. Quit comparing us eternally to the Pats.

05-01-2012, 12:26 PM	#11
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4456010] If I am not mistaken, there were some rumblings that the Pats did some tomfoolery with the scoreboard or playclock on that final Raven drive. [/QUOTE] And that's my point about Harbaugh. He had a TO to burn when all that confusions was going on at the end of the game and he elected not to use it. Harbaugh's stupidity cost the Ravens that game.

05-01-2012, 12:29 PM	#12
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,257	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4456018]And that's my point about Harbaugh. He had a TO to burn when all that confusions was going on at the end of the game and he elected not to use it. Harbaugh's stupidity cost the Ravens that game.[/QUOTE] Are you acknowledging the Pats may have done something with the scoreboard (I think it was the down that was changed) in an effort to force the Ravens to use a timeout? I think the refs are also to blame for this. But they weren't going to help the Ravens.

05-01-2012, 12:30 PM	#13
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4455994][B][SIZE="2"]WOW!!!!!!:eek:[/SIZE][/B] It is one thing for fans such as myself to feel this way. It is another thing entirely when a current NFL HC says this!!!!!! It also puts to bed the continuing refrain and the lie "that everybody was doing it"!!!! No they weren't and aren't.... Nevertheless I might fine coach John Harbaugh if I were NFL commissioner for making these statements he maybe right but you just can't do it!!!!![/QUOTE] dont worry...pats fans will dispute this even occurred until the day they die.

05-01-2012, 12:30 PM	#14
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,162	Week 3: Pats 55 Ravens 14 Write it in ink Hoss. :yes:

05-01-2012, 12:31 PM	#15
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4456024]Are you acknowledging the Pats may have done something with the scoreboard (I think it was the down that was changed) in an effort to force the Ravens to use a timeout?[/QUOTE] The scoreboard showed it was 3rd down, and not 4th down which it actually was. If a NFL HC needs a scoreboard to tell him what down it was in that situation, then he shouldn't be a NFL HC.

05-01-2012, 12:33 PM	#16
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,162	[QUOTE=Carlton;4455995]I just googled this. I must have missed this whole spygate thing? Anyone care to explain? :confused:[/QUOTE] If I recall this correctly (it was a long time ago) Pats took a picture from the wrong angle. :confused: Everyone did it and it didn't give them any advantage. At least that's what Rah Rah and sg3 posted at the time. If I'm remembering correctly.

05-01-2012, 12:36 PM	#17
Vinny Testaverde's Niece Post Count Not Affected By Demise of Hotties Forum All League Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 4,172	Could not agree more. I did not like the Saints getting to the SB and did not like the smell of them winning. I think their trophy should be revoked. If you can do it for a Heisman...

05-01-2012, 12:41 PM	#18
bullitt929 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,119	Well, everybody's got an opinion, and mine hasn't changed. The Pats did what they did, and there was a significant penalty. If Harbaugh doesn't think so, I'll gladly take Suggs off his hands. The asterisk must be planted in his brain because I haven't seen it in the almanac. To me, Spygate is old news. I am fully aware that many on this board, and now John Harbaugh, totally disagree with me, and that's fine. I just want to beat the Pats. This year, next year, the year after. And I want a Lombardi or two or three. I don't care to try to make myself feel better by throwing mud at someone else's Lombardi, even those of the hated Patriots.

05-01-2012, 12:47 PM	#19
Xmarco '13 Mission statement:Blow this whole Effin Program up Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,723	His story vs. Pats story and then the truth - We didnt make the playoffs so who gives a %$^&!?!

05-01-2012, 12:48 PM	#20
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Vinny Testaverde's Niece;4456039] I think their trophy should be revoked. [/QUOTE] Do you think the Vegas bookies would reverse their payouts if that happened?