NYJETS QB coach speaks about Mark Sanchez

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[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4468072]You need to put the crack pipe down.

You're one of the most pessimistic posters on this board, it's your rep. It's what you do, over and over again.

If you don't know this, you're a complete nimrod.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to say you are 100% correct

[Ray Ray19]

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4468065]Its obvious you have either no understanding of what I was talking about or you are just a completely blind homer.

I did not create a double-standard in my post.

Sorry, try again.

[B]And please try to make a point without trying to insult someone.[/B][/QUOTE]

How the hell do you derive me being a homer out of that post? I know you like to lapdance on the board with anybody that "buddies" up with you, and the latest rant is that I'm a homer, but let's at least try to apply the term appropriately.

I know exactly what you are talking about, the problem is, I'm not sure you do, because you talk out of both sides of your ass.

JN pretty much nails it, you spend all day here, talking about a team you know only moderately about, downplay any positive, or twist yourself into a pretzel to appease the contingent of fans here to be accepted, and talk about the team as if you've known them for years. Your status is laughable considering you haven't been alive long enough to appreciate the really poor days of the Jets' organization. ****, you've been following the team at a time in your life when the Jets have been on a good stretch, relatively speaking.

Your bolded text is laughable, considering you had no problems throwing up graphics just yesterday. Stop riding the coattails of others to "fit in," and stop being so damn arrogant when posting, you talk down to people who have been following the game a lot longer than you have.

[Ray Ray19]

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4468072]You need to put the crack pipe down.

You're one of the most pessimistic posters on this board, it's your rep. It's what you do, over and over again.

If you don't know this, you're a complete nimrod.[/QUOTE]

And he does it ONLY to fit in, he sees that there is a large concontingent on the board that spews the same crap, it's the "in" thing to do for many, he sees the number of posts they have, and figures, yeah "I hate homers too, let's get them..." :rolleyes:

[Monsterxman]

[QUOTE=JStokes;4467954]That's an utter cop out.

That'd be like me saying I'm a big fan of my mother-in-law the person, just not as a Mother-in-law.

_[/QUOTE]

It's my way of saying I want to see him do well, I just don't think he will.

[GandWFan]

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4468107]That's either an extremely hyperbolic statement, or, you haven't watched many QBs in your 47 years of watching football.

just saying.....[/QUOTE]

Well, I haven't watched many QBs who could have a wide open receiver 15 yards from said QB and throw the ball into the ground 5 yards in front of the intended receiver. In fact I have only seen one pro QB do it. Multiple times. Your hero, Timmy.

[Demosthenes9]

[QUOTE=GandWFan;4468117]Well, I haven't watched many QBs who could have a wide open receiver 15 yards from said QB and throw the ball into the ground 5 yards in front of the intended receiver. In fact I have only seen one pro QB do it. Multiple times. Your hero, Timmy.[/QUOTE]


Hmmm, I saw Elway do it his first year. Eli did it for a few years. So did McNabb. And that isn't even getting into "bad" QBs who quickly disappeared from the league.

[GandWFan]

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4468121]Hmmm, I saw Elway do it his first year. Eli did it for a few years. So did McNabb. And that isn't even getting into "bad" QBs who quickly disappeared from the league.[/QUOTE]

Please do not put Elway, McNabb, and Eli in the same universe as Tebow. If you think that Timmy has the passing talent of any of those QBs that you mentioned then I am at a loss for words. Unbelievable.

Look, Tim is a good, perhaps great football player. By all accounts he is a great person as well. But he is not a passer. He is not a QB. He is a running back lining up at the QB position.

It amazes me that you Tebots cannot see this.

[Ryan's Revenge]

[QUOTE=GandWFan;4468131]Please do not put Elway, McNabb, and Eli in the same universe as Tebow. If you think that Timmy has the passing talent of any of those QBs that you mentioned then I am at a loss for words. Unbelievable.

Look, Tim is a good, perhaps great football player. By all accounts he is a great person as well. But he is not a passer. He is not a QB. He is a running back lining up at the QB position.

It amazes me that you Tebots cannot see this.[/QUOTE]

I remember Elway when he got drafted, I saw Joe Willie play at Alabama.

In case you weren't there, Elway was literally as famous for his *wiffle* ball as he was for making plays..he is not God, he is just another NFL HOF player with a HUGE "I LOVE ME" wall that takes up an entire wing at his house..

It amazes me that people can rail and rail and yak and yak about how awful Tim Tebow is when the management of the JETS thinks otherwise, in fact so does Sanchez.

If one uses common sense instead of unbridled biased hate to look at Sanchez or Tim Tebow from the standpoint of new, young, players in the NFL it is easy to see Tebow's and Sanchez's talent.

If one further extrapolates this out, since Tebow literally smashed several NCAA football records, and in fact several NFL records, as well as Sanchez has, it is not very difficult to arrive at the conclusion, (unless you have this great big issue) that Tim will be not only *successful*, but more than likely, a great QB in the NFL.

It is common knowledge they are two different players with two different backgrounds, two different skill sets, more or less (depending on who you talk to) and two different paths in the NFL.

The only way you can arrive at the conclusion that TT is never going to be a successful NFL QB (which he already is) is if you have a bias against him because he is a Jesus freak... like ucrenegade.

[GandWFan]

[QUOTE=Ryan's Revenge;4468145]I remember Elway when he got drafted, I saw Joe Willie play at Alabama.

In case you weren't there, Elway was literally as famous for his *wiffle* ball as he was for making plays..he is not God, he is just another NFL HOF player with a HUGE "I LOVE ME" wall that takes up an entire wing at his house..

It amazes me that people can rail and rail and yak and yak about how awful Tim Tebow is when the management of the JETS thinks otherwise, in fact so does Sanchez.

If one uses common sense instead of unbridled biased hate to look at Sanchez or Tim Tebow from the standpoint of new, young, players in the NFL it is easy to see Tebow's and Sanchez's talent.

If one further extrapolates this out, since Tebow literally smashed several NCAA football records, and in fact several NFL records, as well as Sanchez has, it is not very difficult to arrive at the conclusion, (unless you have this great big issue) that Tim will be not only *successful*, but more than likely, a great QB in the NFL.

It is common knowledge they are two different players with two different backgrounds, two different skill sets, more or less (depending on who you talk to) and two different paths in the NFL.

The only way you can arrive at the conclusion that TT is never going to be a successful NFL QB (which he already is) is if you have a bias against him because he is a Jesus freak... like ucrenegade.[/QUOTE]

Actually, he is not, nor has he been a successful NFL QB.

He got fired.

He was a starting QB on an NFL team, now he is a backup QB on a different team. He was a 1st round draft pick, who after extended playing time in his second season, was traded for a mid fourth round pick.

He was the QB of a team fighting for a playoff spot, and stunk up the joint for his last 3 regular season games, losing all 3 while everything was on the line, so to speak.

His team gave up on him. They dumped a first round draft pick within 2 seasons. They got what they could for him... a fourth round pick.

Doesn't sound too successful, now does it?

Ha, Kellen Clemens lasted longer on the team that drafted him. Now THERE is a success story!

[Jet Nut]

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4468114]And he does it ONLY to fit in, he sees that there is a large concontingent on the board that spews the same crap, it's the "in" thing to do for many, he sees the number of posts they have, and figures, yeah "I hate homers too, let's get them..." :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

There's a whole contingent of dooshbgs who come here to rag the team. I don't get the that stupid routine. If I hated the team, couldn't find a player to praise, what would be the use of rooting? More to the point, why come on a board to fight with fellow fans, trying to convince them how much the Jets, their players, their HC, their OC, QBC etc, etc, suck.

Friggen losers.

[JB1089]

[QUOTE=Ryan's Revenge;4468145]I remember Elway when he got drafted, I saw Joe Willie play at Alabama.

In case you weren't there, Elway was literally as famous for his *wiffle* ball as he was for making plays..he is not God, he is just another NFL HOF player with a HUGE "I LOVE ME" wall that takes up an entire wing at his house..

It amazes me that people can rail and rail and yak and yak about how awful Tim Tebow is when the management of the JETS thinks otherwise, in fact so does Sanchez.

If one uses common sense instead of unbridled biased hate to look at Sanchez or Tim Tebow from the standpoint of new, young, players in the NFL it is easy to see Tebow's and Sanchez's talent.

If one further extrapolates this out, since Tebow literally smashed several NCAA football records, and in fact several NFL records, as well as Sanchez has, it is not very difficult to arrive at the conclusion, (unless you have this great big issue) that Tim will be not only *successful*, but more than likely, a great QB in the NFL.

It is common knowledge they are two different players with two different backgrounds, two different skill sets, more or less (depending on who you talk to) and two different paths in the NFL.

The only way you can arrive at the conclusion that TT is never going to be a successful NFL QB (which he already is) is if you have a bias against him because he is a Jesus freak... like ucrenegade.[/QUOTE]

Elway was, and still is, is regarded as the greatest QB prospect there has ever been. I have no clue what you're talking about.

We heard all about it these last few years. Elway is #1, Peyton Manning was next in line, and Luck is the most recent addition to that QB prospect pantheon.

Tebow was not anywhere near that pantheon as a prospect, so his play is not evaluated through that same lens.

[GandWFan]

[QUOTE=Ryan's Revenge;4468145]
The only way you can arrive at the conclusion that TT is never going to be a successful NFL QB (which he already is) is if you have a bias against him because he is a Jesus freak... like ucrenegade.[/QUOTE]

Btw, I reached the same conclusion that 30 other NFL teams reached. This is a QB driven league. If, as you say, TT is destined to be a successful NFL QB then how could 30 teams not even offer a 3rd round pick to get such a proven commodity? And yet only the Jets and Jacksonville were even interested. And Jacksonville was only trying to fill seats.

Only the Jets, with a new OC that love the wildcat, option, whatever you want to call it, actually wanted to give TT a job.

There must be a lot of bias against Jesus Freaks in the NFL, huh?

[Demosthenes9]

[QUOTE=JB1089;4468199]Elway was, and still is, is regarded as the greatest QB prospect there has ever been. I have no clue what you're talking about.

We heard all about it these last few years. Elway is #1, Peyton Manning was next in line, and Luck is the most recent addition to that QB prospect pantheon.

Tebow was not anywhere near that pantheon as a prospect, so his play is not evaluated through that same lens.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Elway was the greatest PROSPECT. BUT, when his first year in the NFL, he SUCKED. He was wildly erratic in his passing, which is evidenced by his completion % of[B] 47.5[/B], and he was terrible in his ability to read defenses / decision making, as evidenced by his 7 TDs to [B]14 INTs[/B].

Luckily for him, Denver gave him time to actually DEVELOP and become a HOF QB.

As far as lenses go, hmmm, let's see. Who should have the better stats in their first year as a starter ? The best QB prospect EVER, or, a great college QB who is seen as a 3-4 year DEVELOPMENT project ?

[GandWFan]

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4468207]Yes, Elway was the greatest PROSPECT. BUT, when his first year in the NFL, he SUCKED. He was wildly erratic in his passing, which is evidenced by his completion % of[B] 47.5[/B], and he was terrible in his ability to read defenses / decision making, as evidenced by his 7 TDs to [B]14 INTs[/B].

Luckily for him, Denver gave him time to actually DEVELOP and become a HOF QB.

As far as lenses go, hmmm, let's see. Who should have the better stats in their first year as a starter ? The best QB prospect EVER, or, a great college QB who is seen as a 3-4 year DEVELOPMENT project ?[/QUOTE]

And yet a HOF QB, someone who knows the QB position intimately, the same guy who struggled in his first year, instead of looking at TT and seeing potential, instead fired him. Cut him loose after his organization spent a first round pick on him only 2 years before. Unheard of. Even if Denver got Manning, if TT had any potential to be a great QB, wouldn't it make sense for Elway to keep developing him. After all, Manning is in the twilight of his career.

But no, they fired him. Threw him out. Got rid of him at the first chance. A fire sale.

But I guess Elway doesn't know anything about the QB position. Or maybe he is biased against Jesus Freaks. Ya think?

[Ryan's Revenge]

John Elway had wildly erratic moments all over his career..

I am not one of these agenda driven people who *has* to place Elway on a pedestal for some reason..

It took him years to win a SB and he was/and had earned a rep as a non closer..period, end of story, I watched it.

Sure he got there, and sure he was great..but you have to be a little homo to drivel on and on about John, unless you weren't there.

As far as Andrew Luck, I remember all the hype about *take your pick* Let's just go with LEaf..or J. Russel.. HA HA HA

Luck has proven himself where ? Stanford ?
Did they play A l a b a m a ?

I didn't think so..get back with me when you have some real stats to talk about..Colt McCoy was THE most prolific passer ever , and Sam Bradford can throw thousands of screens and bubbles..



BTW, "This one's for John" was more about him being an old as hell man by the time he actually won his second SB ..

[JB1089]

[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4468095]except no player on that list besides big ben had close to the support mark had his first two years... I bet you dilfer had really good numbers in 2000 also when he had a all-pro team behind him.:D[/QUOTE]

Uh.....no, he didn't.

9 games; 12 TDs, 11 INTs; 1,502 yards (6.6 ypa, 166 yards per game); 194/226 (59.3%); 76.6 rating

He also had 8 fumbles and 0 rushing TDs.

Playoff numbers:

9/14, 130 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

5/16, 117 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

9/18, 190 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Super Bowl: 12/25, 153 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

[Demosthenes9]

[QUOTE=GandWFan;4468214]And yet a HOF QB, someone who knows the QB position intimately, the same guy who struggled in his first year, instead of looking at TT and seeing potential, instead fired him. Cut him loose after his organization spent a first round pick on him only 2 years before. Unheard of. Even if Denver got Manning, if TT had any potential to be a great QB, wouldn't it make sense for Elway to keep developing him. After all, Manning is in the twilight of his career.

But no, they fired him. Threw him out. Got rid of him at the first chance. A fire sale.

But I guess Elway doesn't know anything about the QB position. Or maybe he is biased against Jesus Freaks. Ya think?[/QUOTE]

Or maybe John Elway has succumbed to conventional wisdom and thinks that the only good QB is one who stands in the pocket and throws the ball ?

Nice of you to presume that since Elway is a HoF QB, that this makes him an expert at QB evaluations. Tell me, how did Michael Jordan do with the Wizards ?

Could also be that Elway wants to win right damn now instead of taking the time necessary to allow a young QB to develop ?? Question, if Peyton Manning goes down to injury this year, you think Elway is going to stick with Osweiler and allow him to develop ? Or is he going to bring in yet another older QB who gives them the best chance of winning that year ?

[Ryan's Revenge]

[QUOTE=GandWFan;4468214]And yet a HOF QB, someone who knows the QB position intimately, the same guy who struggled in his first year, instead of looking at TT and seeing potential, instead fired him. Cut him loose after his organization spent a first round pick on him only 2 years before. Unheard of. Even if Denver got Manning, if TT had any potential to be a great QB, wouldn't it make sense for Elway to keep developing him. After all, Manning is in the twilight of his career.

But no, they fired him. Threw him out. Got rid of him at the first chance. A fire sale.

But I guess Elway doesn't know anything about the QB position. Or maybe he is biased against Jesus Freaks. Ya think?[/QUOTE]


Elway is an atheist..

So no, he isn't interested in Jesus...

I do know that John was and is still reeling from the Denver hate for dumping Tim.

All the people that HATE TIM TEBOW for private reasons great and small will continue on with the contrived and fancied themes of fire sale and got rid of him, bla bla..and how no other team wanted him

That is more bunk from the crowd that is looking to kill off Tebow's first born before it breathes..LOL. Every year before the draft there is rumors of this and that trade, and it is a well planned event.. with most teams having an idea of what they want to do..

Ya think if Elway could NOT have convinced Peyton to come to Denver he would have released Tebow.. ?








The NFL is based on football, not passball, and just because there are lots of teams who have built their rep on the arms of brady or manning doesn't mean that is the only way to win, nor does it mean that is the best way to build a dynasty..
I think the Ravens and the Bucs proved there is more than one way to skin a cat..

I am one who really does doubt that the pats have half their wins including SB unless they cheat.. Brady looked surprised holding up the trophy for a reason.

[Demosthenes9]

[QUOTE=Ryan's Revenge;4468216]He had wildly erratic moments all over his career..

I am not one of these agenda driven people who *has* to place Elway on a pedestal for some reason..

It took him years to win a SB and he was/and had earned a rep as a non closer..period, end of story, I watched it.

Sure he got there, and sure he was great..but you have to be a little homo to drivel on and on about John, unless you weren't there.

As far as Andrew Luck, I remember all the hype about *take your pick* Let's just go with LEaf..or J. Russel.. HA HA HA

Luck has proven himself where ? Stanford ?
Did they play A l a b a m a ?

I didn't think so..get back with me when you have some real stats to talk about..Colt McCoy was THE most prolific passer ever , and Sam Bradford can throw thousands of screens and bubbles..



BTW, "This one's for John" was more about him being an old as hell man by the time he actually won his second SB ..[/QUOTE]


Ummm, any particular reason that this post was directed at me ?

[Ryan's Revenge]

[QUOTE=GandWFan;4468081]
The most severely limited QB I have ever seen in 47 years of watching football BY FAR is Tim Tebow.

[/QUOTE]

What football are you watching.. soccer ?