Tex and Arod

Tucker134 · 05-21-2012, 06:32 AM

Just curious...anyone know how long their contracts run? Almost half a billion dollars in guaranteed money btwn the two??

BamaJets · 05-21-2012, 08:10 AM

ARod's contract goes until 2017, when he will be 42 (in July of that year). From this season until the end of the contract, A-Rod is owed $143 million (29 million in 2012; 28M; 25M; 21M; 20M; 20M). Plus there is some crazy bonus money for certain HR milestones.

Tex's contract goes until 2016, when he will be 36. Tex is still owed $112.5M (22.5M in each season from this year to 2016).

Isn't this insane?! Both guys are already on the decline and still have 4 and 5 years left on their deals! Both are untradeable unless the Yankees pay almost everything on the deal. Even still, nobody wants a washed up A-Rod or Tex, who despite making 20M+ per season, can't hit the ball the other way. If the Yankees don't get younger soon it is going to get really ugly.

I think both are in the top 10 in the largest contracts in all of sports worldwide. I am a Yankees fan and I really wish there was a salary cap in baseball. Contracts like this are ridiculous. Somehow the team still makes money.

JetPotato · 05-21-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

ARod's contract goes until 2017, when he will be 42 (in July of that year). From this season until the end of the contract, A-Rod is owed $143 million (29 million in 2012; 28M; 25M; 21M; 20M; 20M). Plus there is some crazy bonus money for certain HR milestones.

Tex's contract goes until 2016, when he will be 36. Tex is still owed $112.5M (22.5M in each season from this year to 2016).

Isn't this insane?! Both guys are already on the decline and still have 4 and 5 years left on their deals! Both are untradeable unless the Yankees pay almost everything on the deal. Even still, nobody wants a washed up A-Rod or Tex, who despite making 20M+ per season, can't hit the ball the other way. If the Yankees don't get younger soon it is going to get really ugly.

I think both are in the top 10 in the largest contracts in all of sports worldwide. I am a Yankees fan and I really wish there was a salary cap in baseball. Contracts like this are ridiculous. Somehow the team still makes money.

They both have no-trade clauses.

I'm hoping they collide on a pop-up on the infield and are both decapitated. Soon.

BamaJets · 05-21-2012, 08:21 AM

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They both have no-trade clauses.

I'm hoping they collide on a pop-up on the infield and are both decapitated. Soon.

thanks. didn't know. if that happens the Yanks will just have to call up one of their young guns and future stars from Triple A like Jack Cust! The roster at Scranton has an average age of about 2 years older than most MLB teams!

chirorob · 05-21-2012, 11:23 AM

The AROD deal is an abomination. Hal Stein at his absolute worst. No one was within 100 million of paying AROD what Stein gave him. Just a terrible, terrible deal.

Tex, you could see coming, but I didn't think he would age this bad, this fast. His glove is great, but for 22 million, it awful.

Even the Yankees have a budget limit, and when you have 50 million a year tied up into 2 now mediocre players, it severely limits the team. Combine that with no MLB ready position players and you have the makings of a very mediocre 3-4 year run coming up. Not to mention we'll see where CC is in 3 years also making big bucks. But at least he has pitched close to his contract so far.

Throw in that Cashman traded away his one good young hitter for a guy who may never pitch in a Yankee uniform. I can't stand Cash, i will not defend him, and he should absolutely be fired.

LSJF · 05-21-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chirorob

The AROD deal is an abomination. Hal Stein at his absolute worst. No one was within 100 million of paying AROD what Stein gave him. Just a terrible, terrible deal.

Tex, you could see coming, but I didn't think he would age this bad, this fast. His glove is great, but for 22 million, it awful.

Even the Yankees have a budget limit, and when you have 50 million a year tied up into 2 now mediocre players, it severely limits the team. Combine that with no MLB ready position players and you have the makings of a very mediocre 3-4 year run coming up. Not to mention we'll see where CC is in 3 years also making big bucks. But at least he has pitched close to his contract so far.

Throw in that Cashman traded away his one good young hitter for a guy who may never pitch in a Yankee uniform. I can't stand Cash, i will not defend him, and he should absolutely be fired.

I think that was Hank's doing, before he was banished from making decisions...

chirorob · 05-21-2012, 01:14 PM

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I think that was Hank's doing, before he was banished from making decisions...

Sorry, you are correct. That was Hank. Just a brain fart.

parkwayjet1 · 05-21-2012, 03:27 PM

The Yankees decline was simply inevitable and was only a question of how soon. Unless there's a bumper crop of Blue Chip infield and pitching prospects in the minors that I haven't heard of, the day of reckoning is right around the corner. There are just so many available free agents that can be bought year to year to fill holes. Back in the mid-80s George Steinbrenner ran into a similar cycle, but in his case he also traded away prospects, left his Farm barren, and found out that without a base of good young players to build upon, a gang of highly paid free agents had a relatively brief shelf life for impact. I think we're about to see another late '80s - early 90's decline unless, of course, the Yankees' Farm is in much better shape than most. Even then, the sooner the better to get those kids up and integrated into the system.

chirorob · 05-21-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by parkwayjet1

The Yankees decline was simply inevitable and was only a question of how soon. Unless there's a bumper crop of Blue Chip infield and pitching prospects in the minors that I haven't heard of, the day of reckoning is right around the corner. There are just so many available free agents that can be bought year to year to fill holes. Back in the mid-80s George Steinbrenner ran into a similar cycle, but in his case he also traded away prospects, left his Farm barren, and found out that without a base of good young players to build upon, a gang of highly paid free agents had a relatively brief shelf life for impact. I think we're about to see another late '80s - early 90's decline unless, of course, the Yankees' Farm is in much better shape than most. Even then, the sooner the better to get those kids up and integrated into the system.

There is going to be a 3-4 year period of some awful contracts crushing the team. Not just for the financials, but even if there were young players, the roster spots are blocked by bad deals. I don't kill them for the Tex deal, I didn't think he'd go so fast, although he has always started slow and then come on.

But there is no one in the farm system ready to come up and help.

JetPotato · 05-21-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by parkwayjet1

The Yankees decline was simply inevitable and was only a question of how soon. Unless there's a bumper crop of Blue Chip infield and pitching prospects in the minors that I haven't heard of, the day of reckoning is right around the corner. There are just so many available free agents that can be bought year to year to fill holes. Back in the mid-80s George Steinbrenner ran into a similar cycle, but in his case he also traded away prospects, left his Farm barren, and found out that without a base of good young players to build upon, a gang of highly paid free agents had a relatively brief shelf life for impact. I think we're about to see another late '80s - early 90's decline unless, of course, the Yankees' Farm is in much better shape than most. Even then, the sooner the better to get those kids up and integrated into the system.

The farm system is in fine shape. They've spent several years focusing their efforts on pitching, as they knew they had locked up a stacked lineup for years to come and/or could add to it via trades/free agency when needed. Most of their best position player prospects now are at the lower levels.

Fan Graphs ranks them as a top 10 system

Banuelos, Bettances, Campos, Bichette, Culver, Sanchez, Williams, Heathcott. Decent shape.

As Twain said, "reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated"

ucrenegade · 05-21-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

ARod's contract goes until 2017, when he will be 42 (in July of that year). From this season until the end of the contract, A-Rod is owed $143 million (29 million in 2012; 28M; 25M; 21M; 20M; 20M). Plus there is some crazy bonus money for certain HR milestones.

Tex's contract goes until 2016, when he will be 36. Tex is still owed $112.5M (22.5M in each season from this year to 2016).

Isn't this insane?! Both guys are already on the decline and still have 4 and 5 years left on their deals! Both are untradeable unless the Yankees pay almost everything on the deal. Even still, nobody wants a washed up A-Rod or Tex, who despite making 20M+ per season, can't hit the ball the other way. If the Yankees don't get younger soon it is going to get really ugly.

I think both are in the top 10 in the largest contracts in all of sports worldwide. I am a Yankees fan and I really wish there was a salary cap in baseball. Contracts like this are ridiculous. Somehow the team still makes money.

I would give them both a chance with a new hitting coach...........wish we could bring back chris chambliss........

IHATEDOLPHINS · 05-21-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker134

Just curious...anyone know how long their contracts run? Almost half a billion dollars in guaranteed money btwn the two??

I believe Tex has 4 years after this one and A-rod has 5 yrs.

These contracts are gonna kill this team.I never expected Tex to decline this quick,at least we got a title out of it.

You must be happy your boys are off to a nice start.Some pretty good young players.

BamaJets · 05-21-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JetPotato

The farm system is in fine shape. They've spent several years focusing their efforts on pitching, as they knew they had locked up a stacked lineup for years to come and/or could add to it via trades/free agency when needed. Most of their best position player prospects now are at the lower levels.

Fan Graphs ranks them as a top 10 system

Banuelos, Bettances, Campos, Bichette, Culver, Sanchez, Williams, Heathcott. Decent shape.

As Twain said, "reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated"

I agree they have some good pieces on the farm. Hopefully some (well all, but need to be reasonable) of these guys pan out. It would be nice to see some homegrown talent back on the big league club like the Jeter/Pettitte/Mo days. Yanks also can't get stupid when it comes to their own FAs. None of the Yanks are spring chickens. Gardner is the young guy and he's 28.

32green · 05-21-2012, 06:47 PM

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Just curious...anyone know how long their contracts run? Almost half a billion dollars in guaranteed money btwn the two??

How much are you guys paying Bobby Bonilla this year?

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AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 05-21-2012, 06:48 PM

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How much are you guys paying Bobby Bonilla this year?

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Between him and Bay, that has gotta be close to 20 mill lol

32green · 05-21-2012, 07:32 PM

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Between him and Bay, that has gotta be close to 20 mill lol

Oh, but had we started threads on it, omg the horror.

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Tucker134 · 05-21-2012, 08:04 PM

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How much are you guys paying Bobby Bonilla this year?

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I think something like 1mm for the next 20 years....ridiculous

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 05-21-2012, 08:07 PM

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I think something like 1mm for the next 20 years....ridiculous

Not to nitpick but I thought it was closer to two... Could be wrong, of course...

Tucker134 · 05-21-2012, 08:31 PM

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Not to nitpick but I thought it was closer to two... Could be wrong, of course...

Bobby B was truly one of the worst people ever signed by a NY team...Mr Bronx, NY- cant wipe the smile off his face or something like that. He ended up being a bully- an insecure twerp you couldn't handle NYC. Bad guy- but give him credit for accepting a dumb a$$ contract the Wilpons offered him

detjetsfan · 05-21-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chirorob

The AROD deal is an abomination. Hal Stein at his absolute worst. No one was within 100 million of paying AROD what Stein gave him. Just a terrible, terrible deal.

And yet absolutely no one was complaining about it when the Yankees gave Arod said deal after winning the AL MVP and having a monster season in 2007.

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

I agree they have some good pieces on the farm. Hopefully some (well all, but need to be reasonable) of these guys pan out. It would be nice to see some homegrown talent back on the big league club like the Jeter/Pettitte/Mo days. Yanks also can't get stupid when it comes to their own FAs. None of the Yanks are spring chickens. Gardner is the young guy and he's 28.

It would be nice to see the Yankees stick with home grown talent instead of constantly trading away the Jesus Monteros and Austin Jacksons. How long before Banuelos, Campos and Betances get traded?

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Originally Posted by 32green

How much are you guys paying Bobby Bonilla this year?

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Bonilla is one of the all-time FA duds but in the interest of fairness the Yankees did have a similar though not as egregious bust that same year in Danny Tartabull.

As far as the hyperbole with Arod and Tex go. Arod is eventually going to be a career DH with Jetes moving to 3rd. Will Arod be the most overpaid DH ever? Yes but he will continue to be productive to the tune of about 20-25 HRs and 85-90 rbis per season until the end of his deal. Yankees can afford it and MLB has no salary cap - so who cares besides bored Mutt fans?

Tex is coming off a monster year and always starts slow. This idea that he's all of a sudden done is retarded.

05-21-2012, 06:32 AM	#1
Tucker134 Let's go Isles! All League Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 2,984	Tex and Arod Just curious...anyone know how long their contracts run? Almost half a billion dollars in guaranteed money btwn the two??

05-21-2012, 08:10 AM	#2
BamaJets Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,777	ARod's contract goes until 2017, when he will be 42 (in July of that year). From this season until the end of the contract, A-Rod is owed $143 million (29 million in 2012; 28M; 25M; 21M; 20M; 20M). Plus there is some crazy bonus money for certain HR milestones. Tex's contract goes until 2016, when he will be 36. Tex is still owed $112.5M (22.5M in each season from this year to 2016). Isn't this insane?! Both guys are already on the decline and still have 4 and 5 years left on their deals! Both are untradeable unless the Yankees pay almost everything on the deal. Even still, nobody wants a washed up A-Rod or Tex, who despite making 20M+ per season, can't hit the ball the other way. If the Yankees don't get younger soon it is going to get really ugly. I think both are in the top 10 in the largest contracts in all of sports worldwide. I am a Yankees fan and I really wish there was a salary cap in baseball. Contracts like this are ridiculous. Somehow the team still makes money.

05-21-2012, 11:23 AM	#5
chirorob Draft the best available player. All Pro Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In transit Posts: 5,801	The AROD deal is an abomination. Hal Stein at his absolute worst. No one was within 100 million of paying AROD what Stein gave him. Just a terrible, terrible deal. Tex, you could see coming, but I didn't think he would age this bad, this fast. His glove is great, but for 22 million, it awful. Even the Yankees have a budget limit, and when you have 50 million a year tied up into 2 now mediocre players, it severely limits the team. Combine that with no MLB ready position players and you have the makings of a very mediocre 3-4 year run coming up. Not to mention we'll see where CC is in 3 years also making big bucks. But at least he has pitched close to his contract so far. Throw in that Cashman traded away his one good young hitter for a guy who may never pitch in a Yankee uniform. I can't stand Cash, i will not defend him, and he should absolutely be fired.

05-21-2012, 03:27 PM	#8
parkwayjet1 Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Valley Stream, N.Y. Posts: 2,889	The Yankees decline was simply inevitable and was only a question of how soon. Unless there's a bumper crop of Blue Chip infield and pitching prospects in the minors that I haven't heard of, the day of reckoning is right around the corner. There are just so many available free agents that can be bought year to year to fill holes. Back in the mid-80s George Steinbrenner ran into a similar cycle, but in his case he also traded away prospects, left his Farm barren, and found out that without a base of good young players to build upon, a gang of highly paid free agents had a relatively brief shelf life for impact. I think we're about to see another late '80s - early 90's decline unless, of course, the Yankees' Farm is in much better shape than most. Even then, the sooner the better to get those kids up and integrated into the system.