Closing the Gap. - Page 7

GuidoYaztremski · 05-25-2012, 06:37 PM

[QUOTE=HoustonJET;4477735]Chopped Beef BBQ Baked Potato with a side of potato salad and 2 slices of bread... My usual order...

As far as the 5 possible new playoff teams...
JETS(non-bias)......[I][replace Steelers][/I]
Titans[division winners].......[I][Texans out][/I]
Eagles[division winners].......[I][Giants out][/I]
Bears[division winners].........[I][Packers wildcard][Lions out][/I]
Seahawks[wildcard].........[I][Saints out][/I][/QUOTE]

Ahhh...avoiding the carbs I see.;)

Raider9175 · 05-27-2012, 08:03 AM

[QUOTE=Austin;4476177]I think 10-6 defintiley does it in the AFC this year. The NFC is the conference, IMO, where a "playoff quality" 10-6 team doesn't make it. Could easily see a team like the Bears, Cowboys, Redskins, Falcons, etc. going 10-6 and not making the cut.

The Raiders are not at all capable of winning that division. They've gutted their team. But agreed that the AFC West is the most "wide open" division in the AFC.

Bills just don't scare me. Bengals don't either. When's the last time they had back to back winning season? 1990? A lot of young talent, they were 0-7 against teams .500 or better last year, and this year they don't play such a soft schedule (thankfully the AFC East does.) Chargers are a huge wild card. I could see them going 6-10 and Norv getting fired halfway through the season or I could see them going 11-5 and winning the west. Chiefs, I think, are actually gonna be pretty damn good... Broncos are easily poised to be the most disapointing team of 2012. Didn't love Peyton's choice when he made it and nothing they did in the draft or FA changed my mind.

Agreed.

On a personal level I didn't like the Patriots draft (not a Chandler Jones fan at all) but I agree they're better, if only because of Brandon Lloyd. But I think you overrated the Pats defense. Yes they're young and coming together... But they still stunk last year.

The real question facing the Pats is this -- has the rest of the NFL (i.e., all 32 defensive coordinators) come up with new strategies to stop those double tight end sets.[/QUOTE]

The raiders gutted their team???????? Raiders strength is their offense. They took a strength and made it even stronger . Alot of players that eventually cut from the offense will be playing for another team. Raiders took one of the best olines in the game last year (25 sacks) and improved it big time to fit the new scheme(stretch zone blocking) . Raiders are running a Houston Texans type of offense. This year oline should be even better.

This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense. Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad)

The defense is where they made changes( had to) Raiders want to play multiple fronts and be able to play various coverages(no more will Qb know that they will be seeing 99% man to man) ON Paper raiders defense seems alot better than last year unit.(proof on the field) Unlike the offense this is the question.

Here is raiders starting Defense for next season. LDe L houston LDt Tom Kelly Rdt R Seymour and Rde Matt Shaughnessy(was lost for the season against the Jets) Wlb Philip Wheeler/ Miles Burris MLb Rolando Mcclain sslb A Curry

Ss Tyvon Branch and Fs M Huff Cb Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer.

The Defensiveline still very deep . Just out are the one dimensional pass rushers for everydown Dlineman. ( Probably keep nine- Houston, shaughnessy, Kelly, Seymour, D Bryant , Dave toffelson, Travis Ivey 6'4 345 , Jack Crawford 6'5 275 and Christo Bilukidi 6'5 315.

Lbs alot deeper this year and added alot of guys like Miles Burris . (that not by accident) Lbs will be a big part of the pass rush. They keep seven( Wheeler, A Curry, R Mcclain. M Burris, Travis Goethel , Natan Stupar, and K Burkett Mario Kurn on Ps.

Cbs Ron Bartell, Shawate spencer, Chimdi Cheakwa anjd DVD should be their top four. With so many cbs competing for one or two spots. ( Pat lee, Brandon Underwood, Conroy Black, b McCann etc0
Safeties, T Branch and M huff, They have a lot of safeties compoeting for last couple positions.

That the theme with Reggie Mckenzie. I don't care if it a position of strength , he still going to bring in serious competition for that position.

There is no doubt Raiders should be a playoff team in 2012. The offense will be that great,. What they get from defense will determine how seriously they are for contention for a title. Kc will be raideers biggest competition for divison not Denver. The Raiders and chiefs should both be a playoff team.

sg3 · 05-27-2012, 08:25 AM

1) Denver
2) San Diego
3) KC
4) Who will Al's half retarded son.hire as the Raida Coach of tbe Year for 2013?!?

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Austin · 05-27-2012, 10:35 AM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478519]The raiders gutted their team???????? [/quote]

I guess it's news to you, but yes, they did. They were 22 million over the cap for 2012 so they cut Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kevin Boss, Hiram Eugene, and John Henderson and allowed Jason Campbell, Michael Bush, Chaz Schilens and Rock Cartwright to walk away.

[quote]This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense.[/quote]

LOL.... How many years in a row have you been saying this? And how many years in a row has it simply been untrue?

And you realize Carson Palmer isn't good, right? He was 4-6 as a starter for you and has only had a winning record as a starter, what, twice? That he was washed up in 2009 but your team gave up two first round picks for him anyway? Even if the Raiders elite weapons (lol) are as good as you say, you're depending heavily on a 33 year old injury prone QB learning a new offense.

[quote]Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad) [/quote]

As much of a juggernaut as that division is (with its 8-8 winner) this is far from a lock, and when your best player is incredibly injury prone (and you just let his backup walk) you're going to have to accept that injuries happen. Depth is important.

[quote]The defense is where they made changes( had to) Raiders want to play multiple fronts and be able to play various coverages(no more will Qb know that they will be seeing 99% man to man) ON Paper raiders defense seems alot better than last year unit.(proof on the field) Unlike the offense this is the question.

Here is raiders starting Defense for next season. LDe L houston LDt Tom Kelly Rdt R Seymour and Rde Matt Shaughnessy(was lost for the season against the Jets) Wlb Philip Wheeler/ Miles Burris MLb Rolando Mcclain sslb A Curry

Ss Tyvon Branch and Fs M Huff Cb Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer.

The Defensiveline still very deep . Just out are the one dimensional pass rushers for everydown Dlineman. ( Probably keep nine- Houston, shaughnessy, Kelly, Seymour, D Bryant , Dave toffelson, Travis Ivey 6'4 345 , Jack Crawford 6'5 275 and Christo Bilukidi 6'5 315.

Lbs alot deeper this year and added alot of guys like Miles Burris . (that not by accident) Lbs will be a big part of the pass rush. They keep seven( Wheeler, A Curry, R Mcclain. M Burris, Travis Goethel , Natan Stupar, and K Burkett Mario Kurn on Ps.

Cbs Ron Bartell, Shawate spencer, Chimdi Cheakwa anjd DVD should be their top four. With so many cbs competing for one or two spots. ( Pat lee, Brandon Underwood, Conroy Black, b McCann etc0
Safeties, T Branch and M huff, They have a lot of safeties compoeting for last couple positions. [/quote]

You make it sound like "so many CBs competing for spots" is a good thing when in reality it's a sign that you lost your once excellent CBs and are having a bunch of scrubs, castoffs, and nobodies competing to start.

[quote]That the theme with Reggie Mckenzie. I don't care if it a position of strength , he still going to bring in serious competition for that position. [/quote]

The theme with Reggie McKenzie (so far) is that the team will have to take a step back in the short term because they're in such bad cap shape from the Al Davis years.

[quote]There is no doubt Raiders should be a playoff team in 2012.[/quote]

No, there is serious doubt. You are literally the only person I've seen who sees them as playoff team.

[quote] The offense will be that great,. What they get from defense will determine how seriously they are for contention for a title. Kc will be raideers biggest competition for divison not Denver. The Raiders and chiefs should both be a playoff team.[/QUOTE]

Chiefs should be good. Whether they make the playoffs is on Cassel, they have the talent everywhere else.

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Raider9175 · 05-27-2012, 01:57 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4478603]I guess it's news to you, but yes, they did. They were 22 million over the cap for 2012 so they cut Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kevin Boss, Hiram Eugene, and John Henderson and allowed Jason Campbell, Michael Bush, Chaz Schilens and Rock Cartwright to walk away.

Are yoiu serious?????. R$aiders strength is their offense. They brought in defensive staff that want their type of players. Only two player you can make a case are Stanford routt and K wimbley. He was raiders best man to man cb. The Raiders are playing different coverages and he strictly a man to man to man CB. That was more to get under future expenses and a cb that didn't fit the system. . K Wimbley is another again they just didn't want to pay the price in future years. Raiders defintely lost something in the pass rush. They do put out a better overall defense minus a K wimbley. The others not only aren't a loss, but they upgraded from.

LOL.... How many years in a row have you been saying this? And how many years in a row has it simply been untrue?

Raiders with injuried roster still threw up how many points on your defense. Raiders were the nineth ranked offense in football despite missing their starting Qb and running back and a lot of their receiving corps. They could easily be a top three offense next season.

Have everything on offense- Top three Rbs( DMC , T Jones and M Goodson) Each Capable of scoring from anywhere whether its a pass or run. Marcel reece - a weapon no one has at FB. 6'3 244 4.41 Two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry(big time receiving option) 4.47 and R Gordon- More the blocker right now but still with 4.63 to catch some passes. Derek Carrier I expect to be the third Te (listed as a Wr right now) 6'3 240 4.51 One of the fastest wr corps. J Ford, Denarius Moore and DHB. Now they added to that with Size Juron Criner 6'3 220, eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 and Temple own Rod Streater 6'3 200. They added that to improve in redzone and for the WCO offense. ( They have so much talent that louis Murphy will be moved in a trade). Now thro9w that with the best deep passer in the game in Carson palmer. Last a top oline they upgraded big time from last year. Raiders offense is going to be lethal.

And you realize Carson Palmer isn't good, right? He was 4-6 as a starter for you and has only had a winning record as a starter, what, twice? That he was washed up in 2009 but your team gave up two first round picks for him anyway? Even if the Raiders elite weapons (lol) are as good as you say, you're depending heavily on a 33 year old injury prone QB learning a new offense.

Come after 2012 seaspon and tell me Carson Palmer no good. He will have his best season ever. He has oline , one top rushing attacks and a ridiculous array of weapons to use. ( watch what he puts up in this Qb friendly offense . Raiders offense didn't let them down. They went up and down the field against the Chargers. There defense did.

As much of a juggernaut as that division is (with its 8-8 winner) this is far from a lock, and when your best player is incredibly injury prone (and you just let his backup walk) you're going to have to accept that injuries happen. Depth is important.

There is no depth problem what so ever as Reggie Mckenzie has brought in competition for every single position. DMC, Taiwan Jone is going to be unbelievable in this stretch zone blocking. (fits his talent perfect) You think Dmc lethal wait till you see taiwan jones who probably the fastest Raider. (not bad with J ford) Qb in great shape with Carson Palmer, T Pryor and Matt Leinart battling for second and third string.
The bad news for anyone is that this offense is incredible young(oline, WR, Rb, Te and Qb - have their eventually Qb in Pryor( two years)

You make it sound like "so many CBs competing for spots" is a good thing when in reality it's a sign that you lost your once excellent CBs and are having a bunch of scrubs, castoffs, and nobodies competing to start.
They have their top four cb's. ( Ron Bartell, Shawtae Spencer, Chimdi Chekwa and DVD) We are talking fifth and sixth Cbs. Some of those played roles in the superbowl for the Packers. (competing for the last one or two spots) Pat lee and Brandon Underwood.

The theme with Reggie McKenzie (so far) is that the team will have to take a step back in the short term because they're in such bad cap shape from the Al Davis years.

That couldn't be further from the truth. This offense is going to be that good and we saw how far teams went last year with that kind of offense. again Raiders easily would have ran away with the division if they didn't have those injuries on offense. a healthy running attack and they blow the Chargers out of the building.

No, there is serious doubt. You are literally the only person I've seen who sees them as playoff team.
Everyone on the Peyton Manning bandwagon. Who cares there oline isn't that great and there talent can't match Raiders or chiefs. Both of those teams should make the playoffs. The Broncos or Chargers won't.

Chiefs should be good. Whether they make the playoffs is on Cassel, they have the talent everywhere else.

Chiefs do have alot of talent. Raiders have the better qb and thats going to be the difference.

Your just underrating what they have on defense. These new defense coaches know what kind of defense they want to play and they added those types throughout this offseason. This will be a defense never saw by a Raider football team. Unpredictable and modern defense. The defense is a question mark./ The offense will not be as it that good.

S Routt- a man corner for two guys that can play alot of diferent coverages, Ron Bartell and shawntae Spencer.

K Wimbley pass rush ability = Raiders plan to get that production from return of matt Shaughnessy(he capable of having ten plus sacks. Added alot Of Lbs that can rush the passer Myles Burris, K Burkett, N Stupar and Maro Kurn. (watch their youtube and you see the type of player they are looking for) The Lbs and safeties will be a big part of the pass rush. K wimbley wasn't that great against run or in coverage. (he was a pass rusher)

AFCEastFan · 05-27-2012, 04:53 PM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478519]

This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense. Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad)

[/QUOTE]

Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office.

You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:

GuidoYaztremski · 05-27-2012, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4478781]Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office.

You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:[/QUOTE]

Wow, a compliment and a wicked dis, all in two sentences. You sir, ARE good!;)

Raider9175 · 05-28-2012, 07:17 AM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4478781]Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office.

You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:[/QUOTE]

Who cares Teams rise and fall every year. You think Steelers and ravens aren't getting old. This Raider offense going to be one of the best. I can give you so many different combinations of players and formations. Here one off the top of my head. Tell me how does a defense stop it. First off in these stretch zone blocking system a majority time they play with one back in backfield.

Raiders play with four wr set and One Rb in the backfield. Jacoby Ford and Denarius moore the outside wr's. DHB 6'2 210 sub 4.3 and DMC 6'2 210 4.33 as the inside Wr's. With Taiwan jones, who might be the fastest Raider rb to ever carry the ball for the Raiders. (probably the fastest Raider) as lone rb. The sick part is Dmc would be the fourth slowest out there.

Tell me how does a defense even think of defending that. Bring in more Dbs and they pound you all day in the running game. DHB and DMC against your third and fourth Cb is suicide. (not to mention they destroy those Cb as blockers on running plays.

Tell me how your team stop it.(whoever you root for)

Ra

freestater · 05-28-2012, 07:36 AM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478913]I can give you so many different combinations of players and formations. Here one off the top of my head. Tell me how does a defense stop it.
[/QUOTE]
by showing up.

PatsFanTX · 05-28-2012, 11:26 AM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4475614]the Jets and Bills are not even close to in the same situation...and yes the Jets won 8 games last year, which you, I and anyone paying attention knows was a failure...[B]it was considered a failure because they are better than an 8 win team[/B]...if they were considered and had the talent of an 8 win team the backlash of the 8 win season wouldnt exist.[/QUOTE]

How are the Jets better than a 8 win team?

A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.

jetsman1 · 05-28-2012, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team?

A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE]
.....and without all the injuries to the offensive line they could have easily been 11-5.......do you ALWAYS have to be a complete douchebag?????

Can't you talk without trying to get under Jets fans skin?You aren't here to talk football you're here to be a troll and see how pissed off you can get everyone.How you aren't permanently banned is beyond me and one of the main reasons posters like myself don't come here to post more often because you drag every thread down to a pissing contest.

Try talking football without the backhands and snide remarks for a change if you have the intellect to do so......I doubt it though.......:(

Austin · 05-28-2012, 01:38 PM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team?

A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE]

They easily could have been 5-11. They also just as easily could have been 11-5. +/- 3 games is pretty much the standard for any NFL team.

Ruby2 · 05-28-2012, 02:00 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4479077]They easily could have been 5-11. They also just as easily could have been 11-5. +/- 3 games is pretty much the standard for any NFL team.[/QUOTE]

+1.

Cmon Tx, your troll skills are much better than that weak stuff;)

As to the raiders, it is more likely that they will be picking in the top 5 than making the playoffs.

This is a true rebuilding year for a team that has been rebuilding for a decade.

Charlie Brown · 05-28-2012, 02:12 PM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team?

A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm you are what your record says you are.

Simple, last year the Jets were an 8-8 team. This year everybody starts out with 0 wins that is the way this thing works. You know better than this....

Just ask NE HC Bellichick if you doubt me....:rolleyes:

GuidoYaztremski · 05-28-2012, 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=jetsman1;4479049].....[B]and without all the injuries to the offensive line they could have easily been 11-5[/B].......do you ALWAYS have to be a complete douchebag?????

Can't you talk without trying to get under Jets fans skin?You aren't here to talk football you're here to be a troll and see how pissed off you can get everyone.How you aren't permanently banned is beyond me and one of the main reasons posters like myself don't come here to post more often because you drag every thread down to a pissing contest.

Try talking football without the backhands and snide remarks for a change if you have the intellect to do so......I doubt it though.......:([/QUOTE]

Every team has to deal with injuries. I doubt that if healthy, they would have gone 11-5, but that's not the point. Look at all the injuries the Pats have endured for the past few years as compared to the Jets. No excuses. That said, I agree with Charlie Brown (and Bill Parcells)...you are what your record says you are. And all teams are starting out 0-0 this year.

AFCEastFan · 05-28-2012, 04:08 PM

[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478913]

Tell me how your team stop it.(whoever you root for)

[/QUOTE]

Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.

Ruby2 · 05-28-2012, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4479134]Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.[/QUOTE]

Lmao

patsfanken · 05-28-2012, 05:48 PM

If the topic of this thread is truly, have the Jets "closed the gap" on the Pats this off season. The answer is NO!. That's not saying that the Jets haven't improved themselves. In fact, on the surface, and before anyone even hits another player in anger, I thought the Jets had their best draft in the last 5 years, and definitely improved themselves.

But that is not what "closing the gap" entails. Because I think that while the Jets have improved themselves, I think the Pats have done as much, if not more, to also improve themselves. Between FA, the draft, and getting people back from injury. The Pats have significantly added to their talent on defense, and have brought in some offensive people who have a few skills that they didn't have last season, that should keep the Pats one of the top offenses in the league.

This isn't to say that the Pats are going to roll over the division like they have the last few years. I am already on record predicting a 4-2 division record. Both games with the Jets WILL be hard fought and competitive, and a split is a likely outcome. But that doesn't mean that I think the Jets have "closed the gap" any more than they have in recent years.

In the end I think the Jets will put out 21 starters that will be as good as any the Pats can put out there, but they STILL will lag behind the Pats at the all important QB position, whether Sparano is a god or not, AND even more important, their overall depth will still be well behind the Pats. (though I think that this draft will be very helpful long term to help with that issue....but not enough for THIS coming season)

I think the Bills HAVE closed the gap, but they are coming from a lot further back than the Jets have, and BOTH Pats and Jet fans who aren't taking them seriously, are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

The Fins unfortunately are going to be in for a hard year, and I will be surprised if the win 2 games within the division.

patsfanken · 05-28-2012, 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4479134]Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.[/QUOTE] Funny stuff, but it should also be a warning to Jet fans who think that merely adding a fast and tall WR to their line up is a sure fire solution to all their offensive woes. BOTH Moss and Porter were just as fast and tall as Hill, and infinitely more accomplished, but it didn't solve a thing for the Raiders.

05-27-2012, 08:03 AM	#122
Raider9175 Raider football- JUST FLYNN BABY. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,302	[QUOTE=Austin;4476177]I think 10-6 defintiley does it in the AFC this year. The NFC is the conference, IMO, where a "playoff quality" 10-6 team doesn't make it. Could easily see a team like the Bears, Cowboys, Redskins, Falcons, etc. going 10-6 and not making the cut. The Raiders are not at all capable of winning that division. They've gutted their team. But agreed that the AFC West is the most "wide open" division in the AFC. Bills just don't scare me. Bengals don't either. When's the last time they had back to back winning season? 1990? A lot of young talent, they were 0-7 against teams .500 or better last year, and this year they don't play such a soft schedule (thankfully the AFC East does.) Chargers are a huge wild card. I could see them going 6-10 and Norv getting fired halfway through the season or I could see them going 11-5 and winning the west. Chiefs, I think, are actually gonna be pretty damn good... Broncos are easily poised to be the most disapointing team of 2012. Didn't love Peyton's choice when he made it and nothing they did in the draft or FA changed my mind. Agreed. On a personal level I didn't like the Patriots draft (not a Chandler Jones fan at all) but I agree they're better, if only because of Brandon Lloyd. But I think you overrated the Pats defense. Yes they're young and coming together... But they still stunk last year. The real question facing the Pats is this -- has the rest of the NFL (i.e., all 32 defensive coordinators) come up with new strategies to stop those double tight end sets.[/QUOTE] The raiders gutted their team???????? Raiders strength is their offense. They took a strength and made it even stronger . Alot of players that eventually cut from the offense will be playing for another team. Raiders took one of the best olines in the game last year (25 sacks) and improved it big time to fit the new scheme(stretch zone blocking) . Raiders are running a Houston Texans type of offense. This year oline should be even better. This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense. Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad) The defense is where they made changes( had to) Raiders want to play multiple fronts and be able to play various coverages(no more will Qb know that they will be seeing 99% man to man) ON Paper raiders defense seems alot better than last year unit.(proof on the field) Unlike the offense this is the question. Here is raiders starting Defense for next season. LDe L houston LDt Tom Kelly Rdt R Seymour and Rde Matt Shaughnessy(was lost for the season against the Jets) Wlb Philip Wheeler/ Miles Burris MLb Rolando Mcclain sslb A Curry Ss Tyvon Branch and Fs M Huff Cb Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer. The Defensiveline still very deep . Just out are the one dimensional pass rushers for everydown Dlineman. ( Probably keep nine- Houston, shaughnessy, Kelly, Seymour, D Bryant , Dave toffelson, Travis Ivey 6'4 345 , Jack Crawford 6'5 275 and Christo Bilukidi 6'5 315. Lbs alot deeper this year and added alot of guys like Miles Burris . (that not by accident) Lbs will be a big part of the pass rush. They keep seven( Wheeler, A Curry, R Mcclain. M Burris, Travis Goethel , Natan Stupar, and K Burkett Mario Kurn on Ps. Cbs Ron Bartell, Shawate spencer, Chimdi Cheakwa anjd DVD should be their top four. With so many cbs competing for one or two spots. ( Pat lee, Brandon Underwood, Conroy Black, b McCann etc0 Safeties, T Branch and M huff, They have a lot of safeties compoeting for last couple positions. That the theme with Reggie Mckenzie. I don't care if it a position of strength , he still going to bring in serious competition for that position. There is no doubt Raiders should be a playoff team in 2012. The offense will be that great,. What they get from defense will determine how seriously they are for contention for a title. Kc will be raideers biggest competition for divison not Denver. The Raiders and chiefs should both be a playoff team. Last edited by Raider9175; 05-27-2012 at 08:13 AM.

05-27-2012, 08:25 AM	#123
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05-27-2012, 10:36 AM	#125
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05-27-2012, 01:57 PM	#126
Raider9175 Raider football- JUST FLYNN BABY. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,302	[QUOTE=Austin;4478603]I guess it's news to you, but yes, they did. They were 22 million over the cap for 2012 so they cut Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kevin Boss, Hiram Eugene, and John Henderson and allowed Jason Campbell, Michael Bush, Chaz Schilens and Rock Cartwright to walk away. Are yoiu serious?????. R$aiders strength is their offense. They brought in defensive staff that want their type of players. Only two player you can make a case are Stanford routt and K wimbley. He was raiders best man to man cb. The Raiders are playing different coverages and he strictly a man to man to man CB. That was more to get under future expenses and a cb that didn't fit the system. . K Wimbley is another again they just didn't want to pay the price in future years. Raiders defintely lost something in the pass rush. They do put out a better overall defense minus a K wimbley. The others not only aren't a loss, but they upgraded from. LOL.... How many years in a row have you been saying this? And how many years in a row has it simply been untrue? Raiders with injuried roster still threw up how many points on your defense. Raiders were the nineth ranked offense in football despite missing their starting Qb and running back and a lot of their receiving corps. They could easily be a top three offense next season. Have everything on offense- Top three Rbs( DMC , T Jones and M Goodson) Each Capable of scoring from anywhere whether its a pass or run. Marcel reece - a weapon no one has at FB. 6'3 244 4.41 Two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry(big time receiving option) 4.47 and R Gordon- More the blocker right now but still with 4.63 to catch some passes. Derek Carrier I expect to be the third Te (listed as a Wr right now) 6'3 240 4.51 One of the fastest wr corps. J Ford, Denarius Moore and DHB. Now they added to that with Size Juron Criner 6'3 220, eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 and Temple own Rod Streater 6'3 200. They added that to improve in redzone and for the WCO offense. ( They have so much talent that louis Murphy will be moved in a trade). Now thro9w that with the best deep passer in the game in Carson palmer. Last a top oline they upgraded big time from last year. Raiders offense is going to be lethal. And you realize Carson Palmer isn't good, right? He was 4-6 as a starter for you and has only had a winning record as a starter, what, twice? That he was washed up in 2009 but your team gave up two first round picks for him anyway? Even if the Raiders elite weapons (lol) are as good as you say, you're depending heavily on a 33 year old injury prone QB learning a new offense. Come after 2012 seaspon and tell me Carson Palmer no good. He will have his best season ever. He has oline , one top rushing attacks and a ridiculous array of weapons to use. ( watch what he puts up in this Qb friendly offense . Raiders offense didn't let them down. They went up and down the field against the Chargers. There defense did. As much of a juggernaut as that division is (with its 8-8 winner) this is far from a lock, and when your best player is incredibly injury prone (and you just let his backup walk) you're going to have to accept that injuries happen. Depth is important. There is no depth problem what so ever as Reggie Mckenzie has brought in competition for every single position. DMC, Taiwan Jone is going to be unbelievable in this stretch zone blocking. (fits his talent perfect) You think Dmc lethal wait till you see taiwan jones who probably the fastest Raider. (not bad with J ford) Qb in great shape with Carson Palmer, T Pryor and Matt Leinart battling for second and third string. The bad news for anyone is that this offense is incredible young(oline, WR, Rb, Te and Qb - have their eventually Qb in Pryor( two years) You make it sound like "so many CBs competing for spots" is a good thing when in reality it's a sign that you lost your once excellent CBs and are having a bunch of scrubs, castoffs, and nobodies competing to start. They have their top four cb's. ( Ron Bartell, Shawtae Spencer, Chimdi Chekwa and DVD) We are talking fifth and sixth Cbs. Some of those played roles in the superbowl for the Packers. (competing for the last one or two spots) Pat lee and Brandon Underwood. The theme with Reggie McKenzie (so far) is that the team will have to take a step back in the short term because they're in such bad cap shape from the Al Davis years. That couldn't be further from the truth. This offense is going to be that good and we saw how far teams went last year with that kind of offense. again Raiders easily would have ran away with the division if they didn't have those injuries on offense. a healthy running attack and they blow the Chargers out of the building. No, there is serious doubt. You are literally the only person I've seen who sees them as playoff team. Everyone on the Peyton Manning bandwagon. Who cares there oline isn't that great and there talent can't match Raiders or chiefs. Both of those teams should make the playoffs. The Broncos or Chargers won't. Chiefs should be good. Whether they make the playoffs is on Cassel, they have the talent everywhere else. Chiefs do have alot of talent. Raiders have the better qb and thats going to be the difference. Your just underrating what they have on defense. These new defense coaches know what kind of defense they want to play and they added those types throughout this offseason. This will be a defense never saw by a Raider football team. Unpredictable and modern defense. The defense is a question mark./ The offense will not be as it that good. S Routt- a man corner for two guys that can play alot of diferent coverages, Ron Bartell and shawntae Spencer. K Wimbley pass rush ability = Raiders plan to get that production from return of matt Shaughnessy(he capable of having ten plus sacks. Added alot Of Lbs that can rush the passer Myles Burris, K Burkett, N Stupar and Maro Kurn. (watch their youtube and you see the type of player they are looking for) The Lbs and safeties will be a big part of the pass rush. K wimbley wasn't that great against run or in coverage. (he was a pass rusher) Last edited by Raider9175; 05-27-2012 at 06:27 PM.

05-25-2012, 06:37 PM	#121
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,651	[QUOTE=HoustonJET;4477735]Chopped Beef BBQ Baked Potato with a side of potato salad and 2 slices of bread... My usual order... As far as the 5 possible new playoff teams... JETS(non-bias)......[I][replace Steelers][/I] Titans[division winners].......[I][Texans out][/I] Eagles[division winners].......[I][Giants out][/I] Bears[division winners].........[I][Packers wildcard][Lions out][/I] Seahawks[wildcard].........[I][Saints out][/I][/QUOTE] Ahhh...avoiding the carbs I see.;)

05-27-2012, 10:35 AM	#124
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,188	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478519]The raiders gutted their team???????? [/quote] I guess it's news to you, but yes, they did. They were 22 million over the cap for 2012 so they cut Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kevin Boss, Hiram Eugene, and John Henderson and allowed Jason Campbell, Michael Bush, Chaz Schilens and Rock Cartwright to walk away. [quote]This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense.[/quote] LOL.... How many years in a row have you been saying this? And how many years in a row has it simply been untrue? And you realize Carson Palmer isn't good, right? He was 4-6 as a starter for you and has only had a winning record as a starter, what, twice? That he was washed up in 2009 but your team gave up two first round picks for him anyway? Even if the Raiders elite weapons (lol) are as good as you say, you're depending heavily on a 33 year old injury prone QB learning a new offense. [quote]Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad) [/quote] As much of a juggernaut as that division is (with its 8-8 winner) this is far from a lock, and when your best player is incredibly injury prone (and you just let his backup walk) you're going to have to accept that injuries happen. Depth is important. [quote]The defense is where they made changes( had to) Raiders want to play multiple fronts and be able to play various coverages(no more will Qb know that they will be seeing 99% man to man) ON Paper raiders defense seems alot better than last year unit.(proof on the field) Unlike the offense this is the question. Here is raiders starting Defense for next season. LDe L houston LDt Tom Kelly Rdt R Seymour and Rde Matt Shaughnessy(was lost for the season against the Jets) Wlb Philip Wheeler/ Miles Burris MLb Rolando Mcclain sslb A Curry Ss Tyvon Branch and Fs M Huff Cb Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer. The Defensiveline still very deep . Just out are the one dimensional pass rushers for everydown Dlineman. ( Probably keep nine- Houston, shaughnessy, Kelly, Seymour, D Bryant , Dave toffelson, Travis Ivey 6'4 345 , Jack Crawford 6'5 275 and Christo Bilukidi 6'5 315. Lbs alot deeper this year and added alot of guys like Miles Burris . (that not by accident) Lbs will be a big part of the pass rush. They keep seven( Wheeler, A Curry, R Mcclain. M Burris, Travis Goethel , Natan Stupar, and K Burkett Mario Kurn on Ps. Cbs Ron Bartell, Shawate spencer, Chimdi Cheakwa anjd DVD should be their top four. With so many cbs competing for one or two spots. ( Pat lee, Brandon Underwood, Conroy Black, b McCann etc0 Safeties, T Branch and M huff, They have a lot of safeties compoeting for last couple positions. [/quote] You make it sound like "so many CBs competing for spots" is a good thing when in reality it's a sign that you lost your once excellent CBs and are having a bunch of scrubs, castoffs, and nobodies competing to start. [quote]That the theme with Reggie Mckenzie. I don't care if it a position of strength , he still going to bring in serious competition for that position. [/quote] The theme with Reggie McKenzie (so far) is that the team will have to take a step back in the short term because they're in such bad cap shape from the Al Davis years. [quote]There is no doubt Raiders should be a playoff team in 2012.[/quote] No, there is serious doubt. You are literally the only person I've seen who sees them as playoff team. [quote] The offense will be that great,. What they get from defense will determine how seriously they are for contention for a title. Kc will be raideers biggest competition for divison not Denver. The Raiders and chiefs should both be a playoff team.[/QUOTE] Chiefs should be good. Whether they make the playoffs is on Cassel, they have the talent everywhere else.

05-27-2012, 04:53 PM	#127
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,030	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478519] This Raider offense has a chance to be one of the best offense in all of football next season. They have so many weapons everywhere on offense that it shouldn't be legal. . Going to be extremely tough for any defense to handle this offense. Raiders stayed healthy on offense last year they would have easily won the division going away. That with a defense that was horrible and non existant. (Breshnahan schemes were that bad) [/QUOTE] Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office. You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:

05-27-2012, 04:58 PM	#128
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,651	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4478781]Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office. You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:[/QUOTE] Wow, a compliment and a wicked dis, all in two sentences. You sir, ARE good!;)

05-28-2012, 07:17 AM	#129
Raider9175 Raider football- JUST FLYNN BABY. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,302	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4478781]Love your boundless enthusiasm and optimism for a team that hasn't had a winning record since early in George W. Bush's first term in office. You, sir, are the antithesis of a fair-weather fan and for that, I salute you. :thumbup:[/QUOTE] Who cares Teams rise and fall every year. You think Steelers and ravens aren't getting old. This Raider offense going to be one of the best. I can give you so many different combinations of players and formations. Here one off the top of my head. Tell me how does a defense stop it. First off in these stretch zone blocking system a majority time they play with one back in backfield. Raiders play with four wr set and One Rb in the backfield. Jacoby Ford and Denarius moore the outside wr's. DHB 6'2 210 sub 4.3 and DMC 6'2 210 4.33 as the inside Wr's. With Taiwan jones, who might be the fastest Raider rb to ever carry the ball for the Raiders. (probably the fastest Raider) as lone rb. The sick part is Dmc would be the fourth slowest out there. Tell me how does a defense even think of defending that. Bring in more Dbs and they pound you all day in the running game. DHB and DMC against your third and fourth Cb is suicide. (not to mention they destroy those Cb as blockers on running plays. Tell me how your team stop it.(whoever you root for) Ra

05-28-2012, 07:36 AM	#130
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,512	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478913]I can give you so many different combinations of players and formations. Here one off the top of my head. Tell me how does a defense stop it. [/QUOTE] by showing up.

05-28-2012, 11:26 AM	#131
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4475614]the Jets and Bills are not even close to in the same situation...and yes the Jets won 8 games last year, which you, I and anyone paying attention knows was a failure...[B]it was considered a failure because they are better than an 8 win team[/B]...if they were considered and had the talent of an 8 win team the backlash of the 8 win season wouldnt exist.[/QUOTE] How are the Jets better than a 8 win team? A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.

05-28-2012, 12:31 PM	#132
jetsman1 Message Board Sniper Practice Squad Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 418	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team? A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE] .....and without all the injuries to the offensive line they could have easily been 11-5.......do you ALWAYS have to be a complete douchebag????? Can't you talk without trying to get under Jets fans skin?You aren't here to talk football you're here to be a troll and see how pissed off you can get everyone.How you aren't permanently banned is beyond me and one of the main reasons posters like myself don't come here to post more often because you drag every thread down to a pissing contest. Try talking football without the backhands and snide remarks for a change if you have the intellect to do so......I doubt it though.......:(

05-28-2012, 01:38 PM	#133
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,188	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team? A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE] They easily could have been 5-11. They also just as easily could have been 11-5. +/- 3 games is pretty much the standard for any NFL team.

05-28-2012, 02:00 PM	#134
Ruby2 Patron and Grapefruit Juice Bitchess!!! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jerseystrong Posts: 17,033	[QUOTE=Austin;4479077]They easily could have been 5-11. They also just as easily could have been 11-5. +/- 3 games is pretty much the standard for any NFL team.[/QUOTE] +1. Cmon Tx, your troll skills are much better than that weak stuff;) As to the raiders, it is more likely that they will be picking in the top 5 than making the playoffs. This is a true rebuilding year for a team that has been rebuilding for a decade.

05-28-2012, 02:12 PM	#135
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,529	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4479027]How are the Jets better than a 8 win team? A couple of lucky games got the Jets to 8-8, they could have easily been a 6-10 team last year.[/QUOTE] Hmmm you are what your record says you are. Simple, last year the Jets were an 8-8 team. This year everybody starts out with 0 wins that is the way this thing works. You know better than this.... Just ask NE HC Bellichick if you doubt me....:rolleyes:

05-28-2012, 02:50 PM	#136
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,651	[QUOTE=jetsman1;4479049].....[B]and without all the injuries to the offensive line they could have easily been 11-5[/B].......do you ALWAYS have to be a complete douchebag????? Can't you talk without trying to get under Jets fans skin?You aren't here to talk football you're here to be a troll and see how pissed off you can get everyone.How you aren't permanently banned is beyond me and one of the main reasons posters like myself don't come here to post more often because you drag every thread down to a pissing contest. Try talking football without the backhands and snide remarks for a change if you have the intellect to do so......I doubt it though.......:([/QUOTE] Every team has to deal with injuries. I doubt that if healthy, they would have gone 11-5, but that's not the point. Look at all the injuries the Pats have endured for the past few years as compared to the Jets. No excuses. That said, I agree with Charlie Brown (and Bill Parcells)...you are what your record says you are. And all teams are starting out 0-0 this year.

05-28-2012, 04:08 PM	#137
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,030	[QUOTE=Raider9175;4478913] Tell me how your team stop it.(whoever you root for) [/QUOTE] Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.

05-28-2012, 04:41 PM	#138
Ruby2 Patron and Grapefruit Juice Bitchess!!! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jerseystrong Posts: 17,033	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4479134]Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.[/QUOTE] Lmao

05-28-2012, 05:48 PM	#139
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	If the topic of this thread is truly, have the Jets "closed the gap" on the Pats this off season. The answer is NO!. That's not saying that the Jets haven't improved themselves. In fact, on the surface, and before anyone even hits another player in anger, I thought the Jets had their best draft in the last 5 years, and definitely improved themselves. But that is not what "closing the gap" entails. Because I think that while the Jets have improved themselves, I think the Pats have done as much, if not more, to also improve themselves. Between FA, the draft, and getting people back from injury. The Pats have significantly added to their talent on defense, and have brought in some offensive people who have a few skills that they didn't have last season, that should keep the Pats one of the top offenses in the league. This isn't to say that the Pats are going to roll over the division like they have the last few years. I am already on record predicting a 4-2 division record. Both games with the Jets WILL be hard fought and competitive, and a split is a likely outcome. But that doesn't mean that I think the Jets have "closed the gap" any more than they have in recent years. In the end I think the Jets will put out 21 starters that will be as good as any the Pats can put out there, but they STILL will lag behind the Pats at the all important QB position, whether Sparano is a god or not, AND even more important, their overall depth will still be well behind the Pats. (though I think that this draft will be very helpful long term to help with that issue....but not enough for THIS coming season) I think the Bills HAVE closed the gap, but they are coming from a lot further back than the Jets have, and BOTH Pats and Jet fans who aren't taking them seriously, are going to be unpleasantly surprised. The Fins unfortunately are going to be in for a hard year, and I will be surprised if the win 2 games within the division.

05-28-2012, 05:55 PM	#140
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4479134]Dunno. I'm still trying to figure out how teams are going to stop the Raiders' 2005 offense, with sub-4.4. Justin Fargas, dangerous running/receiving combo LaMont Jordan, HOFer-to-be Randy Moss in his prime, and studs Jerry Porter and Doug Gabriel. Seems like an impossibly tall task.[/QUOTE] Funny stuff, but it should also be a warning to Jet fans who think that merely adding a fast and tall WR to their line up is a sure fire solution to all their offensive woes. BOTH Moss and Porter were just as fast and tall as Hill, and infinitely more accomplished, but it didn't solve a thing for the Raiders.