Holmes leaves OTA's in frustration, claims he was overused - Page 4

OCCH · 06-07-2012, 10:48 PM

[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;4486939]The man was in Germany visiting our wounded troops. I'd say give him a break. I find it to be great that a guy like Holmes wanted to visit our troops. Sorry I do not see that as a big problem here. He gets off a plane and runs 20 to 25 plays out of 35 and his legs feel like rubber and you and others exhibit the need to be critical. Sorry I disagree. He is a hero for trying to cheer up our wounded troops. I am not a fan of Holmes but lets be fair.[/QUOTE]

You can give him any "break" you want. It doesn't change the fact that people would have liked him to step up more than he currently has. No one is complaining that he was out of shape, but rather the attitude he showed toward our NEW WR coach -- not something you do when you're trying to be a leader and "team guy".

It's no different than your defense of Schotty -- always telling us why he wasn't as BAD as people said he was, but never providing anything to prove he was GOOD.

Right now Santonio has put himself in a position where people want results, not excuses. He will still have plenty of opportunities to produce, and this is far from "the last straw". But excuses aren't going to get very far with most fans right now, nor should they . . .

Demosthenes9 · 06-07-2012, 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=shuler82;4487011]Here's what I don't understand about this 'Holmes in Germany' story. Even if true, why does he schedule a trip to miss camp time? The team has been off since January, and he'll have several weeks off again until July... yet conveniently he has it scheduled so he misses workouts? Then to top it off, he comes back, throws his helmet, and complains about getting too much work since he's out of shape.
I couldn't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]

He was part of a USO tour, and they set the schedule. Guess he could have just passed up on it. Don't know if he could have asked for it to be scheduled at a different time.

Silva · 06-07-2012, 10:50 PM

I cant really find normal how the Jets fans dont have exigency towards their players! How can a guy like this be considered a leader? Is a locker room cancer, and i cant wait for the day is no longer a Jet.

No player is bigger than the franchise, if he thinks he is too good to practice like the other ones let him go. Im sick of him.

And then you say we are mocked by everyone? Thats because of guys like this that have no desire to be here. And that are always thinking that are above all, when they done absolutely nothing for this organization, if he is paid like a WR1, its his job to give us WR1 highlights, not a blessing. And dont post videos of a that victory in foxborough, that was 2 years ago, in that time the NE Pats went to another superbowl, a thing that we dont know what it is in +40 years.

I dont even know how its possible to mock them, when this franchise is always giving us headaches.

shuler82 · 06-07-2012, 10:56 PM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4487017]He was part of a USO tour, and they set the schedule. Guess he could have just passed up on it. Don't know if he could have asked for it to be scheduled at a different time.[/QUOTE]

I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.

OCCH · 06-07-2012, 10:59 PM

[QUOTE=shuler82;4487021]I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.[/QUOTE]

It's two different arguments.

Should he have been in shape already? Maybe/maybe not. They are VOLUNTARY, and if he'd been at the first four he probably would have been fine.

Should he have "lashed out"? I say no, but I wasn't there and don't trust the media to give an objective description of what happened.

Like I said earlier, it would have been nice to get a GOOD report instead of one we have to try to explain away. But in the end, it's what happens on the field that counts, so for now we just have to hope for the best . . .

Demosthenes9 · 06-07-2012, 11:03 PM

[QUOTE=shuler82;4487021]I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.[/QUOTE]

I don't know that USO tours are done with that kind of frequency. As the son of a career NCO, I'll give him a pass on visiting wounded troops at Rammstein / Landstuhl.

As to him staying in shape, yeah, I'd think that he should. Or, that since he knew his schedule in advance, he could have gotten in shape before taking the trip. Then again, I don't know his complete history, has he missed OTAs before ? Or is it possible that he didn't realize how far behind and out of "playing shape" he would be ?

TurkJetFan · 06-07-2012, 11:26 PM

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4486617]Media sensationalism at its best.

Fans run with it hook line and sinker

Lock, ban, dump![/QUOTE]

agreed....look at the tweets from the practice...this is as much of a non story as there ever was.

patsfanken · 06-07-2012, 11:33 PM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4487024]
As to him staying in shape, yeah, I'd think that he should. Or, that since he knew his schedule in advance, he could have gotten in shape before taking the trip. Then again, I don't know his complete history, has he missed OTAs before ? Or is it possible that he didn't realize how far behind and out of "playing shape" he would be ?[/QUOTE]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT.

There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep.

The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it.

Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior?

I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill.

Ray Ray19 · 06-08-2012, 12:01 AM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487031]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT.

There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep.

The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it.

Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior?

I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the Pats have never had any bad apples. They are bestest in everything they do... :rolleyes:

Do you have no pride, you shameless patfan hack?

And yes, I'm completely convinced the media blows this up, and spins a great deal of it. Look no further than the exchanges by some fans here who spent some time with the player off the record.

The media are hovering in catlike fashion ready to pounce the second they can spin up a story, it's as bad today as it has ever been.

WestCoastOffensive · 06-08-2012, 12:20 AM

[QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4486887]The problem is that Santonio Holmes will not get the benefit of the doubt after the disgraceful display last season. If it were a lot of players I would agree with you. But he is a special kind of trash and there was a reason why Rooney and the Steelers gave him up for a 5th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaBallhawk;4486888]it has been june the last 2 years with this useless ****head[/QUOTE]

You're both over-reacting to nothing.

"If You Can Play, You Can Stay"

He hauled in the game winner in a SuperBowl. All the puke that exists on our roster, and you guys want to play Drill Sargent. It's comical.

Bonhomme Richard · 06-08-2012, 12:26 AM

Richie C. is a muckraker, plain and simple. Bad journalism.

I know he reads this board too. Hey Rich, WTF?

David Harris · 06-08-2012, 12:50 AM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487031]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT.

There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep.

The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it.

Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior?

I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better.

Tannenbaum knew the history, everybody knew the history, he rolled the dice and was lured by the talent Santonio has. Time and time again these gambles don't work in sports, from Lawrence Phillips to Pacman Jones. Bad apples really do spoil the bunch. You know that Mark Sanchez secrtely hates this guy, I hate this guy. For the record I also kinda hat Cro, though he's not in the same league as Holmes.

Dcat · 06-08-2012, 12:56 AM

[QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4487046]Richie C. is a muckraker, plain and simple. Bad journalism.

I know he reads this board too. Hey Rich, WTF?[/QUOTE]

you are too kind. He is a controversy provoking little btch.

WestCoastOffensive · 06-08-2012, 02:17 AM

[QUOTE=David Harris;4487050]Couldn't have said it better.

Tannenbaum knew the history, everybody knew the history, he rolled the dice and was lured by the talent Santonio has. Time and time again these gambles don't work in sports, from Lawrence Phillips to Pacman Jones. Bad apples really do spoil the bunch. You know that Mark Sanchez secrtely hates this guy, I hate this guy. For the record I also kinda hat Cro, though he's not in the same league as Holmes.[/QUOTE]

You don't know that, lol. Everybody hates the supremely talented; they don't care what we think, and that's the bottom line.

Sanchez loves this guy in the fourth quarter; I hope that love grows to a 60 minutes brokeback.

BigJet85 · 06-08-2012, 03:09 AM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4486621]WOW. We agree on something. :eek:

Especially the ban part. :D Thread title is misleading/trolling.[/QUOTE]

This type of BS reporting is just trying to cause problems when the guy has been back from over sees for a couple days... Voluntary OTAS means he didn't have to get there at all he is showing he cares...so who cares if he took a couple plays off.

he won games for us single handed and will most likely do it again...he is fine and so is the team I think we are priming up for something special and shutting a lot of people up for a while...not saying super bowl but it can happen....

You know what if Rex doesn't say it I will...We are trying to get to the Super bowl and Win like the other 31 teams...Damn this media is out of control there has to be rules on what these jackasses can report about.

I am actually very pumped to see the final team we put out there there will be a couple weeks off minus the West Camp but then its game on and preseason will be here before we know it and then its game time...

Lets get a sick tailgate going for an early game this season and try to meet each other.LOL but seriously.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!:yes:

DaBallhawk · 06-08-2012, 04:06 AM

[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;4487045]You're both over-reacting to nothing.

"If You Can Play, You Can Stay"

He hauled in the game winner in a SuperBowl. All the puke that exists on our roster, and you guys want to play Drill Sargent. It's comical.[/QUOTE]
drill sargent? you act like this guy just forgot to say "thank you". holmes has been a major headcase, his on field production doesn't even come close to matching his big mouth and his childish behavior, and how he isolates himself thinking he's above the team. yes, he did good for the steelers 3 years ago but im not gonna ignore all that crap because he made a nice catch a few years ago for a different team. if this were brandon marshall who put up 100 catches and 1400 yards per season i'd be willing to deal with that crap but holmes couldnt even outproduce braylon or plaxico (!), two guys that cant find a team. holmes does have talent and he can be way better than he has been the last 2 years with us, but lets put things into perspective.

jets80 · 06-08-2012, 05:58 AM

JetsInsider.com ‏@JetsInsider
Santonio leading the WR drills by example, exploding through his cuts #Jets

Hmmmm...Over blown.

DaBallhawk · 06-08-2012, 06:23 AM

whats gonna be their next tweet. "holmes wears green hat in public - greatest jet ever?" :rolleyes:

patman · 06-08-2012, 06:29 AM

[QUOTE=BigJet85;4487064]This type of BS reporting is just trying to cause problems when the guy has been back from over sees for a couple days... Voluntary OTAS means he didn't have to get there at all he is showing he cares...so who cares if he took a couple plays off.

he won games for us single handed and will most likely do it again...he is fine and so is the team I think we are priming up for something special and shutting a lot of people up for a while...not saying super bowl but it can happen....

You know what if Rex doesn't say it I will...We are trying to get to the Super bowl and Win like the other 31 teams...Damn this media is out of control there has to be rules on what these jackasses can report about.

I am actually very pumped to see the final team we put out there there will be a couple weeks off minus the West Camp but then its game on and preseason will be here before we know it and then its game time...

Lets get a sick tailgate going for an early game this season and try to meet each other.LOL but seriously.

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!:yes:[/QUOTE]

No one in football wins games single handed, the problem with him is that he probably thinks like you do and that he has done so.

No one "has" to be there at OTAs true, but the team had an off year and the player himself wished that he handled things differently. Throwing a helmet and complaining loud enough so that the media is aware of it just shows a lack of respect to the new coaching staff and calls into question how sincere
he was in putting last year behind and starting new.

While it is "fun" to see turmoil on opposing teams, the football fan in me hates to see this crap. it is one thing to be a prima donna on the field, pro athletes and it seems WRs take it to another level. But I hate athletes showing up a new coach. I remember the time Clemens showed up to camp the last day and went into his drills without first reporting to the new manager Butch Hobsun, making the manager run along with him to question him.

About being in shape in June, we are not talking football shape we are talking about running drills in shorts and sweats without any contact. The guy should be in good enough shape by now to do so, but if he can't he should not blame the coach.

The only semi-excuse I can come up for him is that the new coach was trying to establish himself by being hard on the star, When your harder on the star is makes it easier for you to stay on everyone else.

freestater · 06-08-2012, 07:03 AM

[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;4487059]You don't know that, lol. Everybody hates the supremely talented; they don't care what we think, and that's the bottom line.

Sanchez loves this guy in the fourth quarter; I hope that love grows to a 60 minutes brokeback.[/QUOTE]

We care what you think. But only about ribs and homebrewing. :D

06-07-2012, 11:33 PM	#68
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4487024] As to him staying in shape, yeah, I'd think that he should. Or, that since he knew his schedule in advance, he could have gotten in shape before taking the trip. Then again, I don't know his complete history, has he missed OTAs before ? Or is it possible that he didn't realize how far behind and out of "playing shape" he would be ?[/QUOTE]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT. There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep. The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it. Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior? I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill. Last edited by patsfanken; 06-07-2012 at 11:38 PM.

06-08-2012, 06:29 AM	#79
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,160	[QUOTE=BigJet85;4487064]This type of BS reporting is just trying to cause problems when the guy has been back from over sees for a couple days... Voluntary OTAS means he didn't have to get there at all he is showing he cares...so who cares if he took a couple plays off. he won games for us single handed and will most likely do it again...he is fine and so is the team I think we are priming up for something special and shutting a lot of people up for a while...not saying super bowl but it can happen.... You know what if Rex doesn't say it I will...We are trying to get to the Super bowl and Win like the other 31 teams...Damn this media is out of control there has to be rules on what these jackasses can report about. I am actually very pumped to see the final team we put out there there will be a couple weeks off minus the West Camp but then its game on and preseason will be here before we know it and then its game time... Lets get a sick tailgate going for an early game this season and try to meet each other.LOL but seriously. J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!:yes:[/QUOTE] No one in football wins games single handed, the problem with him is that he probably thinks like you do and that he has done so. No one "has" to be there at OTAs true, but the team had an off year and the player himself wished that he handled things differently. Throwing a helmet and complaining loud enough so that the media is aware of it just shows a lack of respect to the new coaching staff and calls into question how sincere he was in putting last year behind and starting new. While it is "fun" to see turmoil on opposing teams, the football fan in me hates to see this crap. it is one thing to be a prima donna on the field, pro athletes and it seems WRs take it to another level. But I hate athletes showing up a new coach. I remember the time Clemens showed up to camp the last day and went into his drills without first reporting to the new manager Butch Hobsun, making the manager run along with him to question him. About being in shape in June, we are not talking football shape we are talking about running drills in shorts and sweats without any contact. The guy should be in good enough shape by now to do so, but if he can't he should not blame the coach. The only semi-excuse I can come up for him is that the new coach was trying to establish himself by being hard on the star, When your harder on the star is makes it easier for you to stay on everyone else. Last edited by patman; 06-08-2012 at 06:33 AM.

06-07-2012, 10:48 PM	#61
OCCH glad I have more purpose in life than Jets football . . . Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,413	[QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;4486939]The man was in Germany visiting our wounded troops. I'd say give him a break. I find it to be great that a guy like Holmes wanted to visit our troops. Sorry I do not see that as a big problem here. He gets off a plane and runs 20 to 25 plays out of 35 and his legs feel like rubber and you and others exhibit the need to be critical. Sorry I disagree. He is a hero for trying to cheer up our wounded troops. I am not a fan of Holmes but lets be fair.[/QUOTE] You can give him any "break" you want. It doesn't change the fact that people would have liked him to step up more than he currently has. No one is complaining that he was out of shape, but rather the attitude he showed toward our NEW WR coach -- not something you do when you're trying to be a leader and "team guy". It's no different than your defense of Schotty -- always telling us why he wasn't as BAD as people said he was, but never providing anything to prove he was GOOD. Right now Santonio has put himself in a position where people want results, not excuses. He will still have plenty of opportunities to produce, and this is far from "the last straw". But excuses aren't going to get very far with most fans right now, nor should they . . .

06-07-2012, 10:49 PM	#62
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=shuler82;4487011]Here's what I don't understand about this 'Holmes in Germany' story. Even if true, why does he schedule a trip to miss camp time? The team has been off since January, and he'll have several weeks off again until July... yet conveniently he has it scheduled so he misses workouts? Then to top it off, he comes back, throws his helmet, and complains about getting too much work since he's out of shape. I couldn't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE] He was part of a USO tour, and they set the schedule. Guess he could have just passed up on it. Don't know if he could have asked for it to be scheduled at a different time.

06-07-2012, 10:50 PM	#63
Silva Lisbon Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 13	I cant really find normal how the Jets fans dont have exigency towards their players! How can a guy like this be considered a leader? Is a locker room cancer, and i cant wait for the day is no longer a Jet. No player is bigger than the franchise, if he thinks he is too good to practice like the other ones let him go. Im sick of him. And then you say we are mocked by everyone? Thats because of guys like this that have no desire to be here. And that are always thinking that are above all, when they done absolutely nothing for this organization, if he is paid like a WR1, its his job to give us WR1 highlights, not a blessing. And dont post videos of a that victory in foxborough, that was 2 years ago, in that time the NE Pats went to another superbowl, a thing that we dont know what it is in +40 years. I dont even know how its possible to mock them, when this franchise is always giving us headaches.

06-07-2012, 10:56 PM	#64
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,669	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4487017]He was part of a USO tour, and they set the schedule. Guess he could have just passed up on it. Don't know if he could have asked for it to be scheduled at a different time.[/QUOTE] I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.

06-07-2012, 10:59 PM	#65
OCCH glad I have more purpose in life than Jets football . . . Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,413	[QUOTE=shuler82;4487021]I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.[/QUOTE] It's two different arguments. Should he have been in shape already? Maybe/maybe not. They are VOLUNTARY, and if he'd been at the first four he probably would have been fine. Should he have "lashed out"? I say no, but I wasn't there and don't trust the media to give an objective description of what happened. Like I said earlier, it would have been nice to get a GOOD report instead of one we have to try to explain away. But in the end, it's what happens on the field that counts, so for now we just have to hope for the best . . .

06-07-2012, 11:03 PM	#66
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=shuler82;4487021]I just find it hard to believe he couldn't had done a different USO tour - they basically do them weekly. And even if he couldn't and had to miss some time, are you really telling me that he couldn't be in enough shape to complete the drills? He's paid to stay in shape. Football is a 365/24/7 job these days.. this isn't 1982.[/QUOTE] I don't know that USO tours are done with that kind of frequency. As the son of a career NCO, I'll give him a pass on visiting wounded troops at Rammstein / Landstuhl. As to him staying in shape, yeah, I'd think that he should. Or, that since he knew his schedule in advance, he could have gotten in shape before taking the trip. Then again, I don't know his complete history, has he missed OTAs before ? Or is it possible that he didn't realize how far behind and out of "playing shape" he would be ?

06-07-2012, 11:26 PM	#67
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4486617]Media sensationalism at its best. Fans run with it hook line and sinker Lock, ban, dump![/QUOTE] agreed....look at the tweets from the practice...this is as much of a non story as there ever was.

06-08-2012, 12:01 AM	#69
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,829	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487031]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT. There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep. The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it. Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior? I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the Pats have never had any bad apples. They are bestest in everything they do... :rolleyes: Do you have no pride, you shameless patfan hack? And yes, I'm completely convinced the media blows this up, and spins a great deal of it. Look no further than the exchanges by some fans here who spent some time with the player off the record. The media are hovering in catlike fashion ready to pounce the second they can spin up a story, it's as bad today as it has ever been.

06-08-2012, 12:20 AM	#70
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,659	[QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4486887]The problem is that Santonio Holmes will not get the benefit of the doubt after the disgraceful display last season. If it were a lot of players I would agree with you. But he is a special kind of trash and there was a reason why Rooney and the Steelers gave him up for a 5th.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DaBallhawk;4486888]it has been june the last 2 years with this useless ****head[/QUOTE] You're both over-reacting to nothing. "If You Can Play, You Can Stay" He hauled in the game winner in a SuperBowl. All the puke that exists on our roster, and you guys want to play Drill Sargent. It's comical.

06-08-2012, 12:26 AM	#71
Bonhomme Richard Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 4,102	Richie C. is a muckraker, plain and simple. Bad journalism. I know he reads this board too. Hey Rich, WTF?

06-08-2012, 12:50 AM	#72
David Harris All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Murray Hill Posts: 7,095	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487031]This is the part that really would piss me off. Its not like you are asking him to be in "game shape". He just needed to be in good enough shape to get through a shorts and T-Shirt practice.....and he couldn't push himself hard enough to do THAT. There will be some of you that will go the the public mini camp practices next week. They will also be shorts and T-shirts. Go watch them and then come and tell me if you think that a professional athlete, even one not in top shape, shouldn't be able to get through one. My God there are 90 guys out there. Its not like you are taking every rep. The Ray's of the world want to believe this is all the media's fault. But this is a guy who has done this kind of crap his ENTIRE career. It got him exiled out of Pittsburgh. You saw it live on TV last December, yet there are STILL people here willing to make excuses for this turd. Not that there is anything your team can do about it. Even Rex's comment that "wel,l he knows his own body" just was another way of saying, "Hell, he can do anything he wants. I'm not going to be the one who pushes him to be better". So Rex basically has told everyone on that team to push as hard as they want and no more, and, btw, if you think you are getting pushed too hard....feel free to crap on the coach. :rolleyes: All the crap and not a single person in the Jets organization that will demand he take responsibility for his actions. So the NEXT time Holmes "acts out", who's to blame. The Media? Holmes? or the Organization that keeps enabling his bad behavior? I should be happy that he's a Jet, and just relish in each negative incident. But Holmes is an affront to every player in the league who is striving for excellence, and a waste of talent. And think about it. This is the guy who is goiing to be "mentoring" Stephan Hill.[/QUOTE] Couldn't have said it better. Tannenbaum knew the history, everybody knew the history, he rolled the dice and was lured by the talent Santonio has. Time and time again these gambles don't work in sports, from Lawrence Phillips to Pacman Jones. Bad apples really do spoil the bunch. You know that Mark Sanchez secrtely hates this guy, I hate this guy. For the record I also kinda hat Cro, though he's not in the same league as Holmes.

06-08-2012, 12:56 AM	#73
Dcat I think I see one Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,104	[QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4487046]Richie C. is a muckraker, plain and simple. Bad journalism. I know he reads this board too. Hey Rich, WTF?[/QUOTE] you are too kind. He is a controversy provoking little btch.

06-08-2012, 02:17 AM	#74
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,659	[QUOTE=David Harris;4487050]Couldn't have said it better. Tannenbaum knew the history, everybody knew the history, he rolled the dice and was lured by the talent Santonio has. Time and time again these gambles don't work in sports, from Lawrence Phillips to Pacman Jones. Bad apples really do spoil the bunch. You know that Mark Sanchez secrtely hates this guy, I hate this guy. For the record I also kinda hat Cro, though he's not in the same league as Holmes.[/QUOTE] You don't know that, lol. Everybody hates the supremely talented; they don't care what we think, and that's the bottom line. Sanchez loves this guy in the fourth quarter; I hope that love grows to a 60 minutes brokeback.

06-08-2012, 03:09 AM	#75
BigJet85 OL HELP! Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Shore of Long Island. East Setauket Posts: 1,561	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4486621]WOW. We agree on something. :eek: Especially the ban part. :D Thread title is misleading/trolling.[/QUOTE] This type of BS reporting is just trying to cause problems when the guy has been back from over sees for a couple days... Voluntary OTAS means he didn't have to get there at all he is showing he cares...so who cares if he took a couple plays off. he won games for us single handed and will most likely do it again...he is fine and so is the team I think we are priming up for something special and shutting a lot of people up for a while...not saying super bowl but it can happen.... You know what if Rex doesn't say it I will...We are trying to get to the Super bowl and Win like the other 31 teams...Damn this media is out of control there has to be rules on what these jackasses can report about. I am actually very pumped to see the final team we put out there there will be a couple weeks off minus the West Camp but then its game on and preseason will be here before we know it and then its game time... Lets get a sick tailgate going for an early game this season and try to meet each other.LOL but seriously. J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!:yes:

06-08-2012, 04:06 AM	#76
DaBallhawk 2013. You still suck Marky Boy. All League Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,769	[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;4487045]You're both over-reacting to nothing. "If You Can Play, You Can Stay" He hauled in the game winner in a SuperBowl. All the puke that exists on our roster, and you guys want to play Drill Sargent. It's comical.[/QUOTE] drill sargent? you act like this guy just forgot to say "thank you". holmes has been a major headcase, his on field production doesn't even come close to matching his big mouth and his childish behavior, and how he isolates himself thinking he's above the team. yes, he did good for the steelers 3 years ago but im not gonna ignore all that crap because he made a nice catch a few years ago for a different team. if this were brandon marshall who put up 100 catches and 1400 yards per season i'd be willing to deal with that crap but holmes couldnt even outproduce braylon or plaxico (!), two guys that cant find a team. holmes does have talent and he can be way better than he has been the last 2 years with us, but lets put things into perspective.

06-08-2012, 05:58 AM	#77
jets80 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cocoa Beach, Fl Posts: 3,212	JetsInsider.com ‏@JetsInsider Santonio leading the WR drills by example, exploding through his cuts #Jets Hmmmm...Over blown.

06-08-2012, 06:23 AM	#78
DaBallhawk 2013. You still suck Marky Boy. All League Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,769	whats gonna be their next tweet. "holmes wears green hat in public - greatest jet ever?" :rolleyes:

06-08-2012, 07:03 AM	#80
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,507	[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;4487059]You don't know that, lol. Everybody hates the supremely talented; they don't care what we think, and that's the bottom line. Sanchez loves this guy in the fourth quarter; I hope that love grows to a 60 minutes brokeback.[/QUOTE] We care what you think. But only about ribs and homebrewing. :D