Gronk's new Deal - Page 6

GuidoYaztremski · 06-08-2012, 09:36 PM

[QUOTE=rep;4487810]I wonder if Gronk is gonna go out clubbing tonight to celebrate. He did it after losing the Super Bowl bouncing up and down on his "injured" ankle. Seems like he'll do it tonight too.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what your point is. Are you claiming that it's unbelievable a player in his early 20s would go party at a team organized event after the biggest game in all of sport? Or are you claiming he was faking his ankle injury? Or are you claiming it would somehow be irresponsible if he celebrated the fact that he's now a multi millionaire and long time feature player on one of the best teams in the NFL?

Please explain. It's confusing.

Spectre · 06-08-2012, 10:09 PM

So I guess the Gronkowski extension was a good move by the Patriots. Win-Win and with enough money going forward to get Hernandez and even Wes locked up for a few more years. Will be interesting to see who gets the next deal.

stanner · 06-08-2012, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487826]Not sure what your point is. Are you claiming that it's unbelievable a player in his early 20s would go party at a team organized event after the biggest game in all of sport? Or are you claiming he was faking his ankle injury? Or are you claiming it would somehow be irresponsible if he celebrated the fact that he's now a multi millionaire and long time feature player on one of the best teams in the NFL?

Please explain. It's confusing.[/QUOTE]

It was probably said to fire up the patsy trolls here. Mission accomplished?

Sent from my LTEvo

sg3 · 06-08-2012, 10:45 PM

the one good thing about another of these flame threads attracting ALL the chowd troll moths is that I was able to add kjmass1 and redrew to my almost complete list of Jets Insider chowds now standing at SEVENTEEN.

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patsfanken · 06-08-2012, 11:02 PM

[QUOTE=Dcat;4487783]I remember Miguel well from usenet days. His He was a reg in the Pats newsgroup. His cap data and analysis were the best. I was a reg (tutor) on usenet back then, both in the Jets and Pats NGs along with Kent, JDSal and oh so many others that I wonder what happened to all of them. SAR too, who used to torture youguys but mainly Dolphins fans.[/QUOTE]WoW great nostalgia stuff. I was part of usernet group that eventually settled at KFFL. It had a very active Pats board, and a structure that had individual teams sections as well as a very active General board. Lots of good football talk. Very active Miami, Oakland, Dallas, and Denver boards, with lots of good cross talk between teams. Good stuff The Jets board there never was active. But slowly over the years it became less active with most people moving to Patsfans or Patriots planet.

Miguel was a frequent poster at KFFL, and when he was setting up his spread sheet he asked for suggestions. Later he made a deal at Patsfans.com to exclusively have his stuff there. In his preamble he thanks several people for helping him with his site, including me, though for the life of me I can't remember what I suggested that was worthy of the credit. ;)

Things seemed a lot simpler in those days.

patsfanken · 06-08-2012, 11:07 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;4487837]the one good thing about another of these flame threads attracting ALL the chowd troll moths is that I was able to add kjmass1 and redrew to my almost complete list of Jets Insider chowds now standing at SEVENTEEN.

A complete list is available to any other member of the JI community that wants to rid their viewing of virtually the entire active list of chowds, PM me and I'll send it to you[/QUOTE]SG3. whose continuing contribution to this board is letting everyone know just WHO he ignores. Because as we all know, it is all about HIM. :rolleyes:

It irony is, if it wasn't for us "Pats trolls", he would having anything to rant about. :D

ASG0531 · 06-09-2012, 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. [B]He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL[/B]. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE]

lol, who is this "some?" It certainly doesn't consist of you or anyone else on this board. Or 99% of NFL fans. Maybe some fringe Pats homers, but most would take Megatron, AJ, or Fitz over Welker any day. Some of you are just so annoyed that Gronk has been locked up that you are hoping the Pats end up overpaying Welker on the wrong side of 30 as a follow-up move. Don't hold your breath.

patman · 06-09-2012, 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487676]As much as I love Welker's production, toughness, and dependability, I'm not throwing a pity party for him. He was an UDFA who had one year of moderate success in Miami. When he finishes this season the Pats will have paid him close to $30MM for 6 years of work. He is now a national name, taking vacations with Gisselle and Brady, with the ability to turn down big money endorsement deals. IF this is his last season with the Pats, I will wish him the best.[/QUOTE]

The guy turned down 2 years 8mill per full guaranteed when he was a 31 YO WR. The contract the pats gave him 5 years ago was met with laughter on this board. It is not the Patriots fault that Welker developed late in his career. he could have rolled the dice in Miami and stayed until he was a FA the next year and made more money, he decided to take the security (as gronk just did,) rather than maximize his earnings potential.

After this year when he is 32, some team may give him 3 years and 24 but it won't be the pats.

Spectre · 06-09-2012, 09:02 AM

He'd make a good Jet.

BTW, Who is the Jet's slot reciever?

patman · 06-09-2012, 10:10 AM

[QUOTE=Spectre;4487888]He'd make a good Jet.

BTW, Who is the Jet's slot reciever?[/QUOTE]

He would make a good receiver on any team. With Holmes and Hill on the outside, Welker would fill a huge need in 2013. But I think the Jets would have to offer significantly more for him to leave the comfort of the NE offense. But money talks in the NFL. Unlike the pats the jets WRs are younger and they can afford to have an older guy on the team. The pats receivers in 2013 will all be 31 and above and they will need an infusion of youth.

PatsFanTX · 06-09-2012, 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=Spectre;4487829]So I guess the Gronkowski extension was a good move by the Patriots. Win-Win and with enough money going forward to get Hernandez and even Wes locked up for a few more years. Will be interesting to see who gets the next deal.[/QUOTE]

1) Pats will franchise Welker for the next 2 years and then let him go.

2) Pats will not give Hernandez a long term deal.

FF2® · 06-09-2012, 10:56 AM

Interesting detail:

If pats don't pick up $10 mil option bonus in '16 , he becomes a free agent.

32green · 06-09-2012, 11:01 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;4487913]Interesting detail:

If pats don't pick up $10 mil option bonus in '16 [/QUOTE]

Enough with the phoney russkie act.

:cool:

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Spectre · 06-09-2012, 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487909]1) Pats will franchise Welker for the next 2 years and then let him go.

2) Pats will not give Hernandez a long term deal.[/QUOTE]

I might agree with #1 premise, but why wouldn't BB lock up Ahern for the future ? Versatile and Productive. Probably could save some $$$ by signing him up for an extra 2 or 3 years now.

You have inside info or just speculating based on some feeling you have?

PatsFanTX · 06-09-2012, 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=Spectre;4487929]I might agree with #1 premise, but why wouldn't BB lock up Ahern for the future ? Versatile and Productive. Probably could save some $$$ by signing him up for an extra 2 or 3 years now.

You have inside info or just speculating based on some feeling you have?[/QUOTE]

Just speculation. Hernandez can't block worth a crap.

I think you can find an athletic, pure pass catching TE in the 3rd or 4th round.

GuidoYaztremski · 06-09-2012, 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487932]Just speculation. Hernandez can't block worth a crap.

I think you can find an athletic, pure pass catching TE in the 3rd or 4th round.[/QUOTE]

Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.

PatsFanTX · 06-09-2012, 11:42 AM

[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487937]Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.[/QUOTE]

Do you really think Hernandez and his agent would accept 60% of Gronk's contract? Highly doubtful.

I think the Pats put a "take it or leave it" offer on the table for Hernandez, and he ends up leaving.

Love the guy's versatility, but I cringe everytime he is running in the open field with the football. He's a turn-over machine waiting to happen.

GuidoYaztremski · 06-09-2012, 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487942]Do you really think Hernandez and his agent would accept 60% of Gronk's contract? Highly doubtful.

I think the Pats put a "take it or leave it" offer on the table for Hernandez, and he ends up leaving.

Love the guy's versatility, but I cringe everytime he is running in the open field with the football. He's a turn-over machine waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]

It all depends on what other teams are willing to pay him. He'll take somewhat less that what the market will bear to stay, but not a lot less.

Spectre · 06-09-2012, 12:00 PM

I think Aaron is valued by BB for his versatility as a TE,RB,WR type, and we all know how BB LOVES versatility in his players.

Jungle Shift Jet · 06-09-2012, 12:00 PM

Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.

06-08-2012, 10:45 PM	#104
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,880	the one good thing about another of these flame threads attracting ALL the chowd troll moths is that I was able to add kjmass1 and redrew to my almost complete list of Jets Insider chowds now standing at SEVENTEEN. A complete list is available to any other member of the JI community that wants to rid their viewing of virtually the entire active list of chowds, PM me and I'll send it to you Last edited by sg3; 06-08-2012 at 10:49 PM.

06-09-2012, 01:30 AM	#107
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,804	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. [B]He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL[/B]. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE] lol, who is this "some?" It certainly doesn't consist of you or anyone else on this board. Or 99% of NFL fans. Maybe some fringe Pats homers, but most would take Megatron, AJ, or Fitz over Welker any day. Some of you are just so annoyed that Gronk has been locked up that you are hoping the Pats end up overpaying Welker on the wrong side of 30 as a follow-up move. Don't hold your breath. Last edited by ASG0531; 06-09-2012 at 01:36 AM.

06-08-2012, 09:36 PM	#101
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,863	[QUOTE=rep;4487810]I wonder if Gronk is gonna go out clubbing tonight to celebrate. He did it after losing the Super Bowl bouncing up and down on his "injured" ankle. Seems like he'll do it tonight too.[/QUOTE] Not sure what your point is. Are you claiming that it's unbelievable a player in his early 20s would go party at a team organized event after the biggest game in all of sport? Or are you claiming he was faking his ankle injury? Or are you claiming it would somehow be irresponsible if he celebrated the fact that he's now a multi millionaire and long time feature player on one of the best teams in the NFL? Please explain. It's confusing.

06-08-2012, 10:09 PM	#102
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 573	So I guess the Gronkowski extension was a good move by the Patriots. Win-Win and with enough money going forward to get Hernandez and even Wes locked up for a few more years. Will be interesting to see who gets the next deal.

06-08-2012, 10:32 PM	#103
stanner All League Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 2,842	[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487826]Not sure what your point is. Are you claiming that it's unbelievable a player in his early 20s would go party at a team organized event after the biggest game in all of sport? Or are you claiming he was faking his ankle injury? Or are you claiming it would somehow be irresponsible if he celebrated the fact that he's now a multi millionaire and long time feature player on one of the best teams in the NFL? Please explain. It's confusing.[/QUOTE] It was probably said to fire up the patsy trolls here. Mission accomplished? Sent from my LTEvo

06-08-2012, 11:02 PM	#105
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=Dcat;4487783]I remember Miguel well from usenet days. His He was a reg in the Pats newsgroup. His cap data and analysis were the best. I was a reg (tutor) on usenet back then, both in the Jets and Pats NGs along with Kent, JDSal and oh so many others that I wonder what happened to all of them. SAR too, who used to torture youguys but mainly Dolphins fans.[/QUOTE]WoW great nostalgia stuff. I was part of usernet group that eventually settled at KFFL. It had a very active Pats board, and a structure that had individual teams sections as well as a very active General board. Lots of good football talk. Very active Miami, Oakland, Dallas, and Denver boards, with lots of good cross talk between teams. Good stuff The Jets board there never was active. But slowly over the years it became less active with most people moving to Patsfans or Patriots planet. Miguel was a frequent poster at KFFL, and when he was setting up his spread sheet he asked for suggestions. Later he made a deal at Patsfans.com to exclusively have his stuff there. In his preamble he thanks several people for helping him with his site, including me, though for the life of me I can't remember what I suggested that was worthy of the credit. ;) Things seemed a lot simpler in those days.

06-08-2012, 11:07 PM	#106
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=sg3;4487837]the one good thing about another of these flame threads attracting ALL the chowd troll moths is that I was able to add kjmass1 and redrew to my almost complete list of Jets Insider chowds now standing at SEVENTEEN. A complete list is available to any other member of the JI community that wants to rid their viewing of virtually the entire active list of chowds, PM me and I'll send it to you[/QUOTE]SG3. whose continuing contribution to this board is letting everyone know just WHO he ignores. Because as we all know, it is all about HIM. :rolleyes: It irony is, if it wasn't for us "Pats trolls", he would having anything to rant about. :D

06-09-2012, 08:02 AM	#108
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,180	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487676]As much as I love Welker's production, toughness, and dependability, I'm not throwing a pity party for him. He was an UDFA who had one year of moderate success in Miami. When he finishes this season the Pats will have paid him close to $30MM for 6 years of work. He is now a national name, taking vacations with Gisselle and Brady, with the ability to turn down big money endorsement deals. IF this is his last season with the Pats, I will wish him the best.[/QUOTE] The guy turned down 2 years 8mill per full guaranteed when he was a 31 YO WR. The contract the pats gave him 5 years ago was met with laughter on this board. It is not the Patriots fault that Welker developed late in his career. he could have rolled the dice in Miami and stayed until he was a FA the next year and made more money, he decided to take the security (as gronk just did,) rather than maximize his earnings potential. After this year when he is 32, some team may give him 3 years and 24 but it won't be the pats.

06-09-2012, 09:02 AM	#109
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 573	He'd make a good Jet. BTW, Who is the Jet's slot reciever?

06-09-2012, 10:10 AM	#110
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,180	[QUOTE=Spectre;4487888]He'd make a good Jet. BTW, Who is the Jet's slot reciever?[/QUOTE] He would make a good receiver on any team. With Holmes and Hill on the outside, Welker would fill a huge need in 2013. But I think the Jets would have to offer significantly more for him to leave the comfort of the NE offense. But money talks in the NFL. Unlike the pats the jets WRs are younger and they can afford to have an older guy on the team. The pats receivers in 2013 will all be 31 and above and they will need an infusion of youth.

06-09-2012, 10:49 AM	#111
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Spectre;4487829]So I guess the Gronkowski extension was a good move by the Patriots. Win-Win and with enough money going forward to get Hernandez and even Wes locked up for a few more years. Will be interesting to see who gets the next deal.[/QUOTE] 1) Pats will franchise Welker for the next 2 years and then let him go. 2) Pats will not give Hernandez a long term deal.

06-09-2012, 10:56 AM	#112
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,585	Interesting detail: If pats don't pick up $10 mil option bonus in '16 , he becomes a free agent.

06-09-2012, 11:01 AM	#113
32green neerg23 Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,711	[QUOTE=FF2®;4487913]Interesting detail: If pats don't pick up $10 mil option bonus in '16 [/QUOTE] Enough with the phoney russkie act. :cool: -

06-09-2012, 11:21 AM	#114
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 573	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487909]1) Pats will franchise Welker for the next 2 years and then let him go. 2) Pats will not give Hernandez a long term deal.[/QUOTE] I might agree with #1 premise, but why wouldn't BB lock up Ahern for the future ? Versatile and Productive. Probably could save some $$$ by signing him up for an extra 2 or 3 years now. You have inside info or just speculating based on some feeling you have?

06-09-2012, 11:24 AM	#115
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Spectre;4487929]I might agree with #1 premise, but why wouldn't BB lock up Ahern for the future ? Versatile and Productive. Probably could save some $$$ by signing him up for an extra 2 or 3 years now. You have inside info or just speculating based on some feeling you have?[/QUOTE] Just speculation. Hernandez can't block worth a crap. I think you can find an athletic, pure pass catching TE in the 3rd or 4th round.

06-09-2012, 11:33 AM	#116
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,863	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487932]Just speculation. Hernandez can't block worth a crap. I think you can find an athletic, pure pass catching TE in the 3rd or 4th round.[/QUOTE] Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.

06-09-2012, 11:42 AM	#117
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487937]Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.[/QUOTE] Do you really think Hernandez and his agent would accept 60% of Gronk's contract? Highly doubtful. I think the Pats put a "take it or leave it" offer on the table for Hernandez, and he ends up leaving. Love the guy's versatility, but I cringe everytime he is running in the open field with the football. He's a turn-over machine waiting to happen.

06-09-2012, 11:46 AM	#118
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,863	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4487942]Do you really think Hernandez and his agent would accept 60% of Gronk's contract? Highly doubtful. I think the Pats put a "take it or leave it" offer on the table for Hernandez, and he ends up leaving. Love the guy's versatility, but I cringe everytime he is running in the open field with the football. He's a turn-over machine waiting to happen.[/QUOTE] It all depends on what other teams are willing to pay him. He'll take somewhat less that what the market will bear to stay, but not a lot less.

06-09-2012, 12:00 PM	#119
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 573	I think Aaron is valued by BB for his versatility as a TE,RB,WR type, and we all know how BB LOVES versatility in his players.

06-09-2012, 12:00 PM	#120
Jungle Shift Jet Borgo, North Decoder All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,151	Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.