A bet against Sanchez making the pro bowl ...

LadainianIMnotDONE · 06-26-2012, 06:25 AM

Please just help me here. I took a solid bet against my dude who's a huge Steelers fan and he's one of the most unbias folks I've ever met. He says Sanchez will make the pro bowl this year and Jets will go 10-6 and make the playoff's. Now I normally wouldn't start a thread based on this but this kid has been correct about the most FAR-FETCHED things ever and after agreeing to the bet I questioning my decision. My bet is against Sanchez being in the pro bowl no matter what even if he's a sub/thrown in cause someone is either in superbowl or someone got injured. Please my fellow Jet fans and Pat trolls reassure me how I'm making a solid bet against Sanchez not making the pro bowl. I mean you can't predict these things but what the hell would have to happen for him to actually make it?

Now let me say this. I think Sanchez will have a decent year and I'm not against the Jets even possibly being a surprise elite team. I think he's capable of being a solid starter but with the focus on the running attack and the weapons around him I just don't see how he can make the pro bowl.

sg3 · 06-26-2012, 06:34 AM

you are cooked

The QB of the team that goes at least 14-2 just about always gets selected to the probowl

And after the Jets win the AFC Championship and then hoist the Lombardi in NOLA in February, it will be a bad bet for the next 10 seasons too

Woody56 · 06-26-2012, 06:44 AM

hope you lose.

patman · 06-26-2012, 06:58 AM

Are they even going to have the pro bowl this year?

With a shift in emphasis to the running game, that is one thing in your favor,
If Sanchez has even a decent season, the NY media market will work against you.

Brady and Manning won't go, so that is two more seats. But according to SG3
the jets will be playing the next week so he wont be able to go as a sub

JetsNeedNewton · 06-26-2012, 07:13 AM

Unless you bet you'd attend a Jets-Steelers game in a Steelers jersey and no pants what's to worry about?

I think we are going to have a solid year but that it will take till 2013 to really gel the new offense and grow our young guys. 10-6 probably but that's not pro-bowl time.

LadainianIMnotDONE · 06-26-2012, 07:33 AM

[QUOTE=Woody56;4500889]hope you lose.[/QUOTE]

thats a win win right?

NY's stepchild · 06-26-2012, 08:09 AM

I have to agree. It is possible he makes the pro bowl with the new offense, but if he does, were 12-4

JamesR · 06-26-2012, 08:12 AM

Pro Bowl voting is more on reputation than production. There are many more AFC QB's with a better reputation than Sanchez. (Heck, even Tebow made the Top 100 players list - maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl too? :P).

Only way to overcome reputation is to have a phenomenal year (either phenomenally GOOD to overtake players who get in on reputation, or phenomenally BAD to get dropped down the list).

With Brady, Rivers, Manning, Schaub, Roethlisberger and even Flacco around, I don't see any way Sanchez overcomes his reputation that much this year. (And if he does people will just say it's the system not the player to knock any improvement). Plus there are some newer players in contention depending on how their teams do overall - Fitzpatrick and Dalton will get a lot of attention if their teams perform well.

GuidoYaztremski · 06-26-2012, 08:20 AM

You're safe as can be, You'd have a better chance of losing a bet that the sun will come up tomorrow.

feel better?;)

DDNYjets · 06-26-2012, 08:26 AM

Brady
Manning
Big Ben
Schaub
Dalton
Edit: Rivers

Does your "friend" happen to be in the market for a bridge? I have one that I've been looking to get rid of.

P.S. Nice pep-rally thread.

srobjets · 06-26-2012, 08:27 AM

Sanchez to the pro bowl means we win the super bowl. Think about it. We were still in the playoff hunt with him falling apart. The only way he does this is if they fix the o line issues. So your are golden.

Monsterxman · 06-26-2012, 10:11 AM

I think you did well.

Not only does Sanchez need to improve a lot to make the pro-bowl, but the Jets need to play well too as a team - beat the Pats in the division, win 12 games, etc.. That doesn’t seem too likely right now.

In addition, the jets plan to run the ball a lot and Tebow is taking some of his snaps, and they want to minimize turnovers…

so his #’s will likely be down (not-pro bowl worthy) this year based on his rep.

ozu · 06-26-2012, 10:25 AM

He should be laying you like 5-1 odds, so good bet on your part.

ASG0531 · 06-26-2012, 10:39 AM

There was some rumbling last year when Sanchez hit 26+ total TDs that he could be in the Pro Bowl conversation, so it's not unrealistic. Unfortunately his turnover total killed him. If he fixes that, it's possible... none of the elites elect to play, so it's pretty open for the alternates, especially in the AFC.

lamont_jordan_rules · 06-26-2012, 11:09 AM

... bad bet ... either way you lose ...

l_j_r

John_0515 · 06-26-2012, 11:10 AM

With our defense, Sanchez to the pro bowl means we're going to roll over most teams we play.

Warfish · 06-26-2012, 11:41 AM

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4500883]He says Sanchez will make the pro bowl this year[/QUOTE]

There is no chance this will happen, as I see it. None.

Even if Sanchez has the best quality-play year of his career, in the Sparano run-based system he is not going to be good enough or have enough overall production to be Pro Bowl worthy.

Monsterxman · 06-26-2012, 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=John_0515;4501065]With our defense, Sanchez to the pro bowl means we're going to roll over most teams we play.[/QUOTE]

This is what Rex thought Sanchez was going to be like after the playoff run and why he was saying they were going to win a Superbowl.

Man was he wrong... :D

LadainianIMnotDONE · 06-26-2012, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4500937]Brady
Manning
Big Ben
Schaub
Dalton

Does your "friend" happen to be in the market for a bridge? I have one that I've been looking to get rid of.

P.S. Nice pep-rally thread.[/QUOTE]

His whole argument was that one or 2 guys might get hurt. Manning didn't even play last year and Schaub got hurt ..... Dalton with sophmore jinx ..... Flacco will never get any credit, and that somebody is going to the superbowl while 1 or 2 guys just back out. His whole thing was "the 7th best guy can get in, tebow's sucky self was mentioned last year" .... his words not mine. I see his point and etc. This entire bet started based off a convo that he said some bums get into the pro bowl and etc and I said "i wouldn't say bums get in there" ... and 10 min later I'm putting up some good money against Sanchez making a pro bowl lol. My whole thing is that I don't even know if Sanchez could be that 7th best guy as he says ... we'll see

PaPZ187 · 06-26-2012, 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=ASG0531;4501040]There was some rumbling last year when Sanchez hit 26+ total TDs that he could be in the Pro Bowl conversation, so it's not unrealistic. Unfortunately his turnover total killed him. If he fixes that, it's possible... none of the elites elect to play, so it's pretty open for the alternates, especially in the AFC.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Last year Rivers made it with 27 TD passes, 28 overall TDs, 20 INTs and 9 fumbles while Sanchez had 26 TD passes, 32 overall TDs, 18 INTs and 10 fumbles. Rivers did have well over 1,000 more pass yards and a QB rating 10 points above Sanchez however.

Sanchez has an outside shot IMO, but more than likely will miss the roster by a spot or two. With guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Flacco, Schaub, Roethlisberger and even guys like Palmer and Fitzpatrick it will be tough. If say 1 of those 8 QBs suffers a long term injury, 1 makes the SB, and 1-2 decline to play due to injury or whatever, than it isnt out of the question Sanchez outperforms 2-3 of the remaining guys.......but the odds are obviously in your favor.

06-26-2012, 06:25 AM	#1
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	A bet against Sanchez making the pro bowl ... Please just help me here. I took a solid bet against my dude who's a huge Steelers fan and he's one of the most unbias folks I've ever met. He says Sanchez will make the pro bowl this year and Jets will go 10-6 and make the playoff's. Now I normally wouldn't start a thread based on this but this kid has been correct about the most FAR-FETCHED things ever and after agreeing to the bet I questioning my decision. My bet is against Sanchez being in the pro bowl no matter what even if he's a sub/thrown in cause someone is either in superbowl or someone got injured. Please my fellow Jet fans and Pat trolls reassure me how I'm making a solid bet against Sanchez not making the pro bowl. I mean you can't predict these things but what the hell would have to happen for him to actually make it? Now let me say this. I think Sanchez will have a decent year and I'm not against the Jets even possibly being a surprise elite team. I think he's capable of being a solid starter but with the focus on the running attack and the weapons around him I just don't see how he can make the pro bowl. Last edited by LadainianIMnotDONE; 06-26-2012 at 06:27 AM.

06-26-2012, 06:58 AM	#4
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,152	Are they even going to have the pro bowl this year? With a shift in emphasis to the running game, that is one thing in your favor, If Sanchez has even a decent season, the NY media market will work against you. Brady and Manning won't go, so that is two more seats. But according to SG3 the jets will be playing the next week so he wont be able to go as a sub Last edited by patman; 06-26-2012 at 07:01 AM.

06-26-2012, 08:26 AM	#10
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,223	Brady Manning Big Ben Schaub Dalton Edit: Rivers Does your "friend" happen to be in the market for a bridge? I have one that I've been looking to get rid of. P.S. Nice pep-rally thread. Last edited by DDNYjets; 06-26-2012 at 01:31 PM.

06-26-2012, 06:34 AM	#2
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,358	you are cooked The QB of the team that goes at least 14-2 just about always gets selected to the probowl And after the Jets win the AFC Championship and then hoist the Lombardi in NOLA in February, it will be a bad bet for the next 10 seasons too

06-26-2012, 06:44 AM	#3
Woody56 Purifying myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,066	hope you lose.

06-26-2012, 07:13 AM	#5
JetsNeedNewton Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,675	Unless you bet you'd attend a Jets-Steelers game in a Steelers jersey and no pants what's to worry about? I think we are going to have a solid year but that it will take till 2013 to really gel the new offense and grow our young guys. 10-6 probably but that's not pro-bowl time.

06-26-2012, 07:33 AM	#6
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	[QUOTE=Woody56;4500889]hope you lose.[/QUOTE] thats a win win right?

06-26-2012, 08:09 AM	#7
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,709	I have to agree. It is possible he makes the pro bowl with the new offense, but if he does, were 12-4

06-26-2012, 08:12 AM	#8
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,809	Pro Bowl voting is more on reputation than production. There are many more AFC QB's with a better reputation than Sanchez. (Heck, even Tebow made the Top 100 players list - maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl too? :P). Only way to overcome reputation is to have a phenomenal year (either phenomenally GOOD to overtake players who get in on reputation, or phenomenally BAD to get dropped down the list). With Brady, Rivers, Manning, Schaub, Roethlisberger and even Flacco around, I don't see any way Sanchez overcomes his reputation that much this year. (And if he does people will just say it's the system not the player to knock any improvement). Plus there are some newer players in contention depending on how their teams do overall - Fitzpatrick and Dalton will get a lot of attention if their teams perform well.

06-26-2012, 08:20 AM	#9
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,601	You're safe as can be, You'd have a better chance of losing a bet that the sun will come up tomorrow. feel better?;)

06-26-2012, 08:27 AM	#11
srobjets Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,454	Sanchez to the pro bowl means we win the super bowl. Think about it. We were still in the playoff hunt with him falling apart. The only way he does this is if they fix the o line issues. So your are golden.

06-26-2012, 10:11 AM	#12
Monsterxman supercalifragilisticexpialidocious All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,062	I think you did well. Not only does Sanchez need to improve a lot to make the pro-bowl, but the Jets need to play well too as a team - beat the Pats in the division, win 12 games, etc.. That doesn’t seem too likely right now. In addition, the jets plan to run the ball a lot and Tebow is taking some of his snaps, and they want to minimize turnovers… so his #’s will likely be down (not-pro bowl worthy) this year based on his rep.

06-26-2012, 10:25 AM	#13
ozu in Section 135, Row 28. All League Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hoboken Posts: 3,922	He should be laying you like 5-1 odds, so good bet on your part.

06-26-2012, 10:39 AM	#14
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,711	There was some rumbling last year when Sanchez hit 26+ total TDs that he could be in the Pro Bowl conversation, so it's not unrealistic. Unfortunately his turnover total killed him. If he fixes that, it's possible... none of the elites elect to play, so it's pretty open for the alternates, especially in the AFC.

06-26-2012, 11:09 AM	#15
lamont_jordan_rules Can't Wait To See Marty Mornhinweg's Offense! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Atlanta via NJ Posts: 6,238	... bad bet ... either way you lose ... l_j_r

06-26-2012, 11:10 AM	#16
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,122	With our defense, Sanchez to the pro bowl means we're going to roll over most teams we play.

06-26-2012, 11:41 AM	#17
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4500883]He says Sanchez will make the pro bowl this year[/QUOTE] There is no chance this will happen, as I see it. None. Even if Sanchez has the best quality-play year of his career, in the Sparano run-based system he is not going to be good enough or have enough overall production to be Pro Bowl worthy.

06-26-2012, 11:52 AM	#18
Monsterxman supercalifragilisticexpialidocious All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,062	[QUOTE=John_0515;4501065]With our defense, Sanchez to the pro bowl means we're going to roll over most teams we play.[/QUOTE] This is what Rex thought Sanchez was going to be like after the playoff run and why he was saying they were going to win a Superbowl. Man was he wrong... :D

06-26-2012, 12:08 PM	#19
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4500937]Brady Manning Big Ben Schaub Dalton Does your "friend" happen to be in the market for a bridge? I have one that I've been looking to get rid of. P.S. Nice pep-rally thread.[/QUOTE] His whole argument was that one or 2 guys might get hurt. Manning didn't even play last year and Schaub got hurt ..... Dalton with sophmore jinx ..... Flacco will never get any credit, and that somebody is going to the superbowl while 1 or 2 guys just back out. His whole thing was "the 7th best guy can get in, tebow's sucky self was mentioned last year" .... his words not mine. I see his point and etc. This entire bet started based off a convo that he said some bums get into the pro bowl and etc and I said "i wouldn't say bums get in there" ... and 10 min later I'm putting up some good money against Sanchez making a pro bowl lol. My whole thing is that I don't even know if Sanchez could be that 7th best guy as he says ... we'll see

06-26-2012, 12:17 PM	#20
PaPZ187 NO paper bag over my face...still GREEN and WHITE till I die! All League Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lawrence, MA Posts: 3,063	[QUOTE=ASG0531;4501040]There was some rumbling last year when Sanchez hit 26+ total TDs that he could be in the Pro Bowl conversation, so it's not unrealistic. Unfortunately his turnover total killed him. If he fixes that, it's possible... none of the elites elect to play, so it's pretty open for the alternates, especially in the AFC.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Last year Rivers made it with 27 TD passes, 28 overall TDs, 20 INTs and 9 fumbles while Sanchez had 26 TD passes, 32 overall TDs, 18 INTs and 10 fumbles. Rivers did have well over 1,000 more pass yards and a QB rating 10 points above Sanchez however. Sanchez has an outside shot IMO, but more than likely will miss the roster by a spot or two. With guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Flacco, Schaub, Roethlisberger and even guys like Palmer and Fitzpatrick it will be tough. If say 1 of those 8 QBs suffers a long term injury, 1 makes the SB, and 1-2 decline to play due to injury or whatever, than it isnt out of the question Sanchez outperforms 2-3 of the remaining guys.......but the odds are obviously in your favor.