Official Gameday Thread: Mandate vs. America, Thursday 10 AM

[Warfish]

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4502653]CNN reporting that Chief Justice said it "may be upheld under the tax provisions of Congress"

Initially it was believed it can be upheld under Commerce clause.

Now CNN reporting it has been UPHELD.

LOL.

This is a clusterphuck.[/QUOTE]

Prediction:

The Mandate i.e. You MUST buy X, is struck down.

But, the penalty i.e. The State can tax you if you do not have Insurance, survives, as does the rest of the bill.

Effectively meaning the entire bill suirvives in practice, giving the Dems the new power they wanted (a pwoer which WILL be used again I guarantee it), and giving the (R) yet another massive Supreme Court loss following the AZ decision.

New CNN Headline:

[QUOTE]Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.[/QUOTE]

So....there you go. A massive defeat for the rights of the individual it is. :(

Congrats Dems/Libs/Progressives.

[Trades]

[QUOTE=Warfish;4502657]Prediction:

The Mandate i.e. You MUST buy X, is struck down.

But, the penalty i.e. The State can tax you if you do not have Insurance, survives, as does the rest of the bill.

Effectively meaning the entire bill suirvives in practice, giving the Dems the new power they wanted (a pwoer which WILL be used again I guarantee it), and giving the (R) yet another massive Supreme Court loss following the AZ decision.[/QUOTE]

What is the difference then? Isn't "taxing" you if you don't buy something the same as requiring you to buy something?

[JetPotato]

Entire law upheld.

It's official. The Federal government now has unlimited power.

[Jetdawgg]

Supreme Court upholds Obama law’s requirement that most Americans have health insurance

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-upholds-obama-laws-requirement-that-most-americans-have-health-insurance/2012/06/28/gJQAvUp38V_story.html[/url]

[Warfish]

[QUOTE=Trades;4502660]What is the difference then? Isn't "taxing" you if you don't buy something the same as requiring you to buy something?[/QUOTE]

The difference is semantics.

They can't make you buy it as Law.

But they can tax you $1,000,000,000 a day if you don't buy it, as a tax.

Which means they can make you.

That's the Law. /shrug. Often it's semantics that rule the day.

In a system where our President has free reign to not enforce laws he simply doesn't like or agree with, and now the Federal Govt. has teh power to compel you to buy whatever they want you to buy, against your will, or face any tax they decide to levy against you, well....it is what it is, isn't it.

A stunningly huge victory for (D) and Social Welfareism/Collectivism/State Power over the Individual today. Perhaps the biggest win since the passing of Social security for those who belive in such state-run state-directed collectivism.

[chiefst2000]

Mandate was declared unconstitutional but court maintains that Federal Government has the power to tax consumers that don't comply. Mandate is replaced with a tax penalty.

[JetPotato]

The Court agreed that the mandate would not have passed the commerce clause test, but does stand up as a tax, which even Obama insisted it was not.

Pure, utter garbage.

[freestater]

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502661]Entire law upheld.

It's official. The Federal government now has unlimited power.[/QUOTE]

...been that way since the Kelo decision.

[Warfish]

I hope, one day, that if (R) gets power back, they pass a Gun Ownership Mandate. You, the individual, must own 10 Federally Registered Guns, or face a tax.

And a Voter ID mandate, that you the individual must purchase a Voter ID fromt he State, or face a massive new tax.

Perhaps then, some might see the issue here. But probably not.

Crushing defeat for the individual today, I'm almost speachless.

[JetPotato]

[QUOTE=Warfish;4502677]
Crushing defeat for the individual today, I'm almost speachless.[/QUOTE]

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[Bonhomme Richard]

I am absolutely shocked.

[DDNYjets]

Victory for the illegals who flood our Emergency Rooms and leeches.

America is a shell of itself.

[DDNYjets]

The Medicaid ruling is huge.

Can't wait to read more about this. The next few days should be interesting.

[quantum]

Sold out, again. What bull****.

[parafly]

Re: Individual Mandate

Big loss for individuals and their rights
Big win for the health insurance industry

I'm very surprised it was not struck down.

[frostlich]

**** me

Did this really just happen? In the USA?

...and I thought my avatar character was bat**** crazy.

[FF2®]

:uhhuh:

Prepare for WARBLGORBLE overdrive Mr. Sulu.

[DDNYjets]

Lets look at this long-term. I think a lot of us think this will become an unmitigated disaster. If we are right, maybe this will eventually lead to the death of the Democratic Party.

I can't wait to see how we are going to pay for this :rolleyes:. In NY we are going to get bombed with the Medicaid expenses. NY is lock to opt-in, but in 5 years when the federal aid runs out, what happens then?

BTW, I think everyone should pay close attention to what goes on with the Stock Market now.

[FF2®]

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4502708]Lets look at this long-term. I think a lot of us think this will become an unmitigated disaster. If we are right, maybe this will eventually lead to the death of the Democratic Party.[/QUOTE]

Yeah so lets all hope its a disaster.

Yay.

[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Unreal.