Is Bart Scott moving to Strong Safety?

LadainianIMnotDONE · 06-29-2012, 03:03 PM

The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.

DDNYjets · 06-29-2012, 03:05 PM

I agree. He is going to get killed in the run game.

Same goes for QBs that bulk up. Not a good thing.

Raider9175 · 06-29-2012, 03:06 PM

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE]

Have a picture we can compare one to the other. [IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0608/ny_a_bart-scott_mb_300.jpg[/IMG]

sec.101row23 · 06-29-2012, 03:10 PM

Its Bart's last season with the Jets. If all goes well, Davis should be seeing increased playing time as the season goes on.

dameangreenkillingmachine · 06-29-2012, 03:31 PM

this thread is useless without pics, but one guy who really got massive is aaron Maybin [IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/ROR_2012minicamp13.jpg[/IMG]

the dude is back on the stuff he was taking just before his NFL combine. hope he keeps all of it for the season.

JetsCrazey · 06-29-2012, 03:32 PM

[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4503833]Its Bart's last season with the Jets. If all goes well, Davis should be seeing increased playing time as the season goes on.[/QUOTE]

Davis is pretty small too, he'll need to bulk up to play running downs on the inside

NY's stepchild · 06-29-2012, 03:42 PM

4 3, 46 I called it as soon as I saw they drafted Coples, and DD. Then you read about the weight loss. No brainer. Plenty big enough for that.

WestCoastOffensive · 06-29-2012, 03:47 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4503823]I agree. He is going to get killed in the run game.

Same goes for QBs that bulk up. Not a good thing.[/QUOTE]
What about that article or thread where it was mentioned that the base D was moving to 4-3 or a 46? Wouldn't that imply a "change of duties" for the LB corp?

And, yes, [I]reaching[/I] is something I do as well as Manute Bol. :D :yes:

WestCoastOffensive · 06-29-2012, 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4503853]4 3, 46 I called it as soon as I saw they drafted Coples, and DD. Then you read about the weight loss. No brainer. Plenty big enough for that.[/QUOTE]
Nice; beat me.

Ray Ray19 · 06-29-2012, 03:52 PM

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE]

What are you basing this on?

SAR I · 06-29-2012, 05:05 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4503823]

He is going to get killed in the run game.

[/QUOTE]

Are you saying there was a time he [I]didn't[/I]?

SAR I

jetsfreak · 06-29-2012, 05:10 PM

:D I think Bart Scott has been in the league long enough to know what weight works for him.....not seen anyone around here suit up for an NFL team lately to make such a statement.

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE]

Diego Jet Fan · 06-29-2012, 05:18 PM

We need Scott to be that vocal out of his
mind player that spoke after the NE win.

He probably is responding to Rex talking him
out during passing situations, a faster lighter
Scott isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The Jets need to get a whole lot faster,

NY's stepchild · 06-29-2012, 05:25 PM

[QUOTE=SAR I;4503905]Are you saying there was a time he [I]didn't[/I]?

SAR I[/QUOTE]

good one Tex

RblJet · 06-29-2012, 05:33 PM

losing some weight will make a person a little faster. And he will still be able to take on the RBs. Not too many RBs weighing more than 230 lbs. It's a passing league now. Stop worrying about the run.

Joe W. Namath · 06-29-2012, 05:37 PM

[QUOTE]Not too many RBs weighing more than 230 lbs.[/QUOTE]

No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.

RblJet · 06-29-2012, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4503923]No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.[/QUOTE]

If that happens then you have a legitimate complaint. I doubt that happens. 10 lbs won't make a difference.

NY's stepchild · 06-29-2012, 05:52 PM

[QUOTE=Diego Jet Fan;4503916]We need Scott to be that vocal out of his
mind player that spoke after the NE win.

He probably is responding to Rex talking him
out during passing situations, a faster lighter
Scott isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The Jets need to get a whole lot faster,[/QUOTE]

He's actually did this in response to the team telling him he needed to do it before the off season. No matter what they say they are changing their philosophy from a 3 man front to a 4 man front, and they knew this before the off season. I realize they played a lot of 4 man last year, but the philosophy was still the same. Now we're going with 4 big bodies trying to penetrate, instead of standing up their man. Then they need a MLB to read the play and flow up to the ball, instead of two big men filling gaps. If Bart isn't any quicker at this new weight, he just won't play, but I'll bet he is, because he was way out of shape last year. We'll see.

NY's stepchild · 06-29-2012, 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4503923]No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.[/QUOTE]

If a lineman gets to him then it's a blown play by the d line.

DDNYjets · 06-29-2012, 06:10 PM

We do not have the personnel for a true 4-3 and the 46 is obsolete b.c it is vulnerable to the outside run and quick passing game, two things we sucked at last year. We signed some big safeties that will help with the 46 but we never addressed our main problem which was covering the TE. Neither Landry or Bell are good cover safeties.

IMO all the talk about changing defensive schemes is overblown. The Jets don't have a true base defense, they will run a variation of all the defenses and they are game plan specific. The days of the true 3-4 went out the window Week 1 2010 when Jenkins got rolled up on.

Back to Scott. Being a step faster is not going to fix Scott's problems in coverage. He is built to move forwards, not backwards. I do not think it is smart to make him try to change his game this late in his career. We need him to be able to take on blocks and free things up for Harris. I am one of the fans who think Scott gets underrated by other fans. I think he has done exactly what he was brought here to do. Same goes for Pace. It is not Scott's fault that the Jets can't cover TEs.

06-29-2012, 03:03 PM	#1
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	Is Bart Scott moving to Strong Safety? The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.

06-29-2012, 03:06 PM	#3
Raider9175 Raider football- JUST FLYNN BABY. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,305	[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE] Have a picture we can compare one to the other. [IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0608/ny_a_bart-scott_mb_300.jpg[/IMG] Last edited by Raider9175; 06-29-2012 at 03:48 PM.

06-29-2012, 05:18 PM	#13
Diego Jet Fan Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 74	Bart out of control We need Scott to be that vocal out of his mind player that spoke after the NE win. He probably is responding to Rex talking him out during passing situations, a faster lighter Scott isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Jets need to get a whole lot faster,

06-29-2012, 03:05 PM	#2
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,303	I agree. He is going to get killed in the run game. Same goes for QBs that bulk up. Not a good thing.

06-29-2012, 03:10 PM	#4
sec.101row23 All Pro Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mendham, NJ Posts: 7,847	Its Bart's last season with the Jets. If all goes well, Davis should be seeing increased playing time as the season goes on.

06-29-2012, 03:31 PM	#5
dameangreenkillingmachine Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,626	this thread is useless without pics, but one guy who really got massive is aaron Maybin [IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/ROR_2012minicamp13.jpg[/IMG] the dude is back on the stuff he was taking just before his NFL combine. hope he keeps all of it for the season.

06-29-2012, 03:32 PM	#6
JetsCrazey All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,665	[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4503833]Its Bart's last season with the Jets. If all goes well, Davis should be seeing increased playing time as the season goes on.[/QUOTE] Davis is pretty small too, he'll need to bulk up to play running downs on the inside

06-29-2012, 03:42 PM	#7
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,715	4 3, 46 I called it as soon as I saw they drafted Coples, and DD. Then you read about the weight loss. No brainer. Plenty big enough for that.

06-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#8
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,680	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4503823]I agree. He is going to get killed in the run game. Same goes for QBs that bulk up. Not a good thing.[/QUOTE] What about that article or thread where it was mentioned that the base D was moving to 4-3 or a 46? Wouldn't that imply a "change of duties" for the LB corp? And, yes, [I]reaching[/I] is something I do as well as Manute Bol. :D :yes:

06-29-2012, 03:48 PM	#9
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,680	[QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4503853]4 3, 46 I called it as soon as I saw they drafted Coples, and DD. Then you read about the weight loss. No brainer. Plenty big enough for that.[/QUOTE] Nice; beat me.

06-29-2012, 03:52 PM	#10
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,839	[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE] What are you basing this on?

06-29-2012, 05:05 PM	#11
SAR I is excitedly looking forward to December22, the last home game, The Rexecution Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 38,710	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4503823] He is going to get killed in the run game. [/QUOTE] Are you saying there was a time he [I]didn't[/I]? SAR I

06-29-2012, 05:10 PM	#12
jetsfreak Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando from NYC (1998) Las Vegas from Orlando Fl (june 2007) Posts: 16,779	:D I think Bart Scott has been in the league long enough to know what weight works for him.....not seen anyone around here suit up for an NFL team lately to make such a statement. [QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4503822]The guy looks as big as Drew Coleman right now. Who the hell told him to lose THAT much weight. That's disgusting .... Players these days think they are naturally going to gain speed by losing weight ... NO ... not the case. Dude you're an inside linebacker who's physical against the run and sucks in coverage. A diet isn't going to fix that. The weight loss IMO is going to be worse for him. It may take the one thing he's good at and make him not good at anything.[/QUOTE]

06-29-2012, 05:25 PM	#14
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,715	[QUOTE=SAR I;4503905]Are you saying there was a time he [I]didn't[/I]? SAR I[/QUOTE] good one Tex

06-29-2012, 05:33 PM	#15
RblJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 890	losing some weight will make a person a little faster. And he will still be able to take on the RBs. Not too many RBs weighing more than 230 lbs. It's a passing league now. Stop worrying about the run.

06-29-2012, 05:37 PM	#16
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,829	[QUOTE]Not too many RBs weighing more than 230 lbs.[/QUOTE] No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.

06-29-2012, 05:41 PM	#17
RblJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 890	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4503923]No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.[/QUOTE] If that happens then you have a legitimate complaint. I doubt that happens. 10 lbs won't make a difference.

06-29-2012, 05:52 PM	#18
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,715	[QUOTE=Diego Jet Fan;4503916]We need Scott to be that vocal out of his mind player that spoke after the NE win. He probably is responding to Rex talking him out during passing situations, a faster lighter Scott isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Jets need to get a whole lot faster,[/QUOTE] He's actually did this in response to the team telling him he needed to do it before the off season. No matter what they say they are changing their philosophy from a 3 man front to a 4 man front, and they knew this before the off season. I realize they played a lot of 4 man last year, but the philosophy was still the same. Now we're going with 4 big bodies trying to penetrate, instead of standing up their man. Then they need a MLB to read the play and flow up to the ball, instead of two big men filling gaps. If Bart isn't any quicker at this new weight, he just won't play, but I'll bet he is, because he was way out of shape last year. We'll see.

06-29-2012, 05:55 PM	#19
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,715	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4503923]No one is worrying about him tackling running backs. We are worried about him getting thrown around like a rag doll by offensive linemen.[/QUOTE] If a lineman gets to him then it's a blown play by the d line.

06-29-2012, 06:10 PM	#20
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,303	We do not have the personnel for a true 4-3 and the 46 is obsolete b.c it is vulnerable to the outside run and quick passing game, two things we sucked at last year. We signed some big safeties that will help with the 46 but we never addressed our main problem which was covering the TE. Neither Landry or Bell are good cover safeties. IMO all the talk about changing defensive schemes is overblown. The Jets don't have a true base defense, they will run a variation of all the defenses and they are game plan specific. The days of the true 3-4 went out the window Week 1 2010 when Jenkins got rolled up on. Back to Scott. Being a step faster is not going to fix Scott's problems in coverage. He is built to move forwards, not backwards. I do not think it is smart to make him try to change his game this late in his career. We need him to be able to take on blocks and free things up for Harris. I am one of the fans who think Scott gets underrated by other fans. I think he has done exactly what he was brought here to do. Same goes for Pace. It is not Scott's fault that the Jets can't cover TEs.