14 Killed, 50 Wounded in Shooting Colorado Movie Theater

[DDNYjets]

Lets all give bac a break. Everyone reacts differently. There is no need to address it any further.

I just watched Obama's brief speech. I think he handled it very well, very respectful. Apparently all campaigning has been cancelled for the day.

[jetstream23]

Originally Posted by 32green

You do realize you are talking to a guy who named himself after a dude taking it in the tuchus.

Just saying.

And who would have guessed that someone had such strong feelings about Wayne Brady?!?!

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by Borgoguy

You're right. No legislation will ever fully deter a madman(woman) on a mission of destruction.

I'm of the mindset where I want citizens to be licensed to own guns (hand or rifles) in any state. What I tried to communicate is that I want some sort of significant punishment for those who sell guns/explosives illegally (don't know if this is the case here). Also, although I agree that a citizen should be able to legally own a gun, I am not in favor of a person being allowed to stockpile weapons and ammunition.

EDIT: Sorry, crash. Saw your comment after I posted this. I'm out of the discussion.

It's all good Borgo, I respect your viewpoints and find much to agree with. We could have a reasomable discussion on it down the road if we wanted, in a more appropriate locale of course, or not, good either way.

Thanks cross, good moderation, you're 100% right. o7

[NYJCAP2]

Originally Posted by Dirtstar

watch this azzhole try to justify himself in some way by saying he was "inspired" by the Batman villains.


Death would be too much of an easy way out for this piece of trash

Thought of that too. Just a sad, sad occurrence.

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Not that it matters b.c it doesn't or that anyone feels sorry for movie studios but this probably has cost the studio millions. I imagine people will be scared to go out and see it this weekend. It is sad b.c when we live in fear, these lunatics win.

Probably will, sucks.

Sad and ironic for Dark Knight themes.

Originally Posted by Peebag

As mentioned by frenchy...

Almost clicked on that by accidentz, looking for this story.

[CanadaSteve]

Originally Posted by brady's a catcher

Yes dude?

My point is that of course this is a senseless tragedy, and the loss of these lives and the injuries to innocent movie goers is an awful thing.

What's posted in teh Hampur concerning the situation does not change anything one way or the other. But you be the 30th person to point out the obvious if it makes you feel better. I'll make a bad joke about the psychopath who did this.

Well, at least you know its a bad joke....that's something.

[Borgoguy]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Lets all give bac a break. Everyone reacts differently. There is no need to address it any further.

I just watched Obama's brief speech. I think he handled it very well, very respectful. Apparently all campaigning has been cancelled for the day.

Agree completely. Personally, I was not offended by the comment and understand his intent. Brady is one of the best/most stand up people we have on JI.

[dmitexxi]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

CNN reporting that the killer's name is James Holmes. 1 shotgun, 2 handguns, 1 "AK-type" rifle, smoke grenades. FOX reporting killer has no military background.

My guess is the "AK-type" rifle was modified to make it fully-automatic. I do not think you can purchase it as a fully automatic. Maybe someone with more knowledge of gun can enlighten us.

while i was in AZ for work and i went to shooting range, i shot full automatic gloc-9, ak47, MP4 with suppressors. didn't inquire about buying any of them.

[Dirtstar]

Originally Posted by jetstream23

And who would have guessed that someone had such strong feelings about Wayne Brady?!?!

maybe he knows... from experience

[Apache 51]

WTF, people say what they want, who is anyone to judge, sometimes we say things we would like to take back, sometimes we mean what's said no need to pick apart every little thing said.

[thebigragu]

Originally Posted by Apache 51

WTF, people say what they want, who is anyone to judge, sometimes we say things we would like to take back, sometimes we mean what's said no need to pick apart every little thing said.

[Fishooked]

Anyway....

I came across this and felt it was still relevant today (outside of some of the old TV shows references) - from Marilyn Manson, regarding the Columbine murders.



Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?
by Marilyn Manson
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dip****s Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.

We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, ****ing, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.

When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.

Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.

Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?

America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."

The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bull****. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?

I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.

I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.

MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)

[Peebag]

Originally Posted by Fishooked

Anyway....

I came across this and felt it was still relevant today (outside of some of the old TV shows references) - from Marilyn Manson, regarding the Columbine murders.



Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?
by Marilyn Manson
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dip****s Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.

We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, ****ing, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.

When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.

Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.

Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?

America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."

The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bull****. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?

I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.

I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.

MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)

emo is mad!

[Fishooked]

Originally Posted by Peebag

emo is mad!

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Just because 'It's the Hampur' shouldn't give anyone carte blanche to say whatever they want to, unfiltered. Making fun of each other or yourself all you want to, but to make lame jokes just hours after this kind of tragedy is uncalled for, imo. Even if no one died, it still wasn't even remotely funny.

Maybe bac knows some good 9/11 jokes we haven't heard yet?
Is it ok to joke about that kind of stuff because 'it's the Hampur, anything goes?'


Maybe as a Dad Im just overly sensitive to this stuff now, I'd challenge anyone here to make a joke after watching this eyewitness account.

http://cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012...ng-witness.cnn

[LockeJET]

The lunatic was a PHD candidate in Neuroscience at the University of Colorado.

Just saw his picture. He looks like a pretty normal kid. Scary!!

[MCBNY]

I haven't read through the thread, and I hate to politicize it, but this country has GOT to ban guns. How many more tragic killing sprees is it going to take? How heartbreaking.

[LockeJET]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

I haven't read through the thread, and I hate to politicize it, but this country has GOT to ban guns. How many more tragic killing sprees is it going to take? How heartbreaking.

Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people. If you ban guns crazy people will still get their hands on them.

[SDJETS]

Originally Posted by LockeJET

Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people. If you ban guns crazy people will still get their hands on them.

So the moral of the story is that we're f#$#ed?

[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

I haven't read through the thread, and I hate to politicize it, but this country has GOT to ban guns. How many more tragic killing sprees is it going to take? How heartbreaking.

Yes because banning guns will immediately curb violence...

You'd see a sharp incline in violent acts once word got out that they'd be banned...

[MCBNY]

Originally Posted by LockeJET

Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people. If you ban guns crazy people will still get their hands on them.

Ridiculous. But I won't change your opinion so I'll just let you keep it and won't get into further debate.

At the very least, then, can this country make guns not so easily accessible, so that crazy ****ers like this and the Columbine guys can so easily get them? I mean, why do people need guns?

[MCBNY]

Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite

Yes because banning guns will immediately curb violence...

You'd see a sharp incline in violent acts once word got out that they'd be banned...

Agree to disagree. I'm not gonna get into it here. Leave it for the political forum.