he Official Green-White scrimmage thread

[Dimitri_0515]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Perfect theme song for Tom Brady.

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[DaBallhawk]

Originally Posted by NYJets 4 Life

In short, the QB long term for this team is either Sanchez or still in college. There isn't a chance in hell you're winning anything of significance with Tebow under center.

The Broncos got close to the Superbowl last year, how can you say there's no way in hell Tebow does it here with this team? What's wrong with giving him a shot?

And I highly doubt Rex is gonna care about our draft position in the middle of the season. He'll try to win every game possible, if he doesn't he loses his job. So if Sanchez doesn't get the job done and Tebow does, let's say he does get us to the Superbowl somehow, why on earth would you not want him to be the starter next season? Is it the "his style doesn't work in the NFL myth"? How so? His style wasn't supposed to work in college, he dominated everybody. His style wasn't supposed to work in the NFL, every week they said "we have enough film now to stop him and that gimmick offense" and it didn't work. There is no "stopping". Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. If you focus on it 100% you it's gonna work, especially if you have a good defense and a good running game with a bunch of good receivers and a good o-line. You can't ask for more. It's not just one element you have to stop, it's the entire thing, you can't stop the entire thing. If Tebow can't run, he'll throw. If he can't throw he'll count on the RBs to run. Then the opposing offense has to score on our defense, and shut down our entire offense for the rest of the game. It's highly unlikely that all that just comes together like that, with all the talent we have. Sometimes it works, other times it's not enough to win. It worked perfectly against the Steelers, a week later it didn't against the Pats. Sanchez is about 50:50 since he's been here, it's not like what he does works every week. Tebow was about 50:50 in Denver as well. The least you can do is give him a shot instead of losing every game at the end of the season the way we did and watch Sanchez choke away the playoffs and then just sit there and take it since there is not another QB on the roster who can play.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515

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You mean the guy who tossed 40 TD's and threw for over 5,000 yards last season?

[jets80]

Originally Posted by C Mart

Rich Cimini ‏@RichCimini Holmes, X-rays negative, no fracture, listed day-to-day, #Jets announce.


Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas X-Rays on Holmes were negative, team spokesman said. He's day to day.

Good to hear....

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by DaBallhawk

That's always the one excuse Sanchez fans have. Don't judge his numbers. Just assume he's a stud of a QB. In fact he's so good the NFL needs to invent a new way to rate QB's. Sanchez broke the scale. Math experts all over the world are trying to come up with the new "Sanchez formula"...

Why doesn't this excuse work for the rest of the QB's I just mentioned? They are all flat out terrible, everybody says that. Everybody in the media thinks Sanchez is awful, they always have him rated around 30 somewhere. And that's not based on his QB rating, but his actual play. What's your excuse for that? Nobody knows anything about football except the Sanchez fans?

Man you are shameless...

Since you love to pick and prod, and select subsets of stats to justify your Tebow fanfare, why not do the same for Sanchez?

Tebow's numbers were horrible last year, in the playoffs not much better, yet you have a spin for everything, and you always go back to the aggregate of Sanchez' numbers.

How about Sanchez' performance overall in the playoffs? How about the 4 games he's won?

Sanchez has been inconsistent, not "awful" as you love to spin it. Yeah, his overall body of work in the reg season is easy to spin, but with a young QB you can't do that, you have to look at his ups and his downs. Sanchez has had plenty of games where he's played very well, he's had games where he's played bad. There have bee games where Sanchez has looked like a franchise QB, others when he doesn't belong on the field, it's par for the norm for a young QB.

[nycdan]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

You mean the guy who tossed 40 TD's and threw for over 5,000 yards last season?

In honor of TX making an appearance in this thread:

Playoff record against NE:

Sanchez: 1-0
Tebow: 0-1

Can we close the books on this now?

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by DaBallhawk

Sanchez barely has a higher completion % than Tebow, so when you knock Tebows completion % you are knocking Sanchez as well. Also Tebow's style is different, he stretches the field a lot, of course he's not gonna connect all those balls. Demaryius Thomas is averaging close to 20yds per catch. Sanchez meanwhile throws less deep balls than anybody else, and he completes less deep balls than anybody else. And hes not even accurate with those short throws he makes. Anything under 65% with those short throws is not acceptable. And he's at 55% I believe. Thats good enough if you are Vick and you stretch the field a lot.

55+% vs 42% is not barely, it's astronomical

Tebow doesn't stretch the field, receivers stretches the field. The only reason why Tebow has been able to connect on those deep balls is because defenses didn't respect his passing game, and they played closer to the LOS to stop the running game and the option offense that Denver HAD to deploy because of Tebow's limitations and liabilities as a passer.

[Dimitri_0515]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

You mean the guy who tossed 40 TD's and threw for over 5,000 yards last season?

Yes that's exactly who I'm talking about.

[SgtAshton]

Originally Posted by DaBallhawk

The Broncos got close to the Superbowl last year, how can you say there's no way in hell Tebow does it here with this team? What's wrong with giving him a shot?

And I highly doubt Rex is gonna care about our draft position in the middle of the season. He'll try to win every game possible, if he doesn't he loses his job. So if Sanchez doesn't get the job done and Tebow does, let's say he does get us to the Superbowl somehow, why on earth would you not want him to be the starter next season? Is it the "his style doesn't work in the NFL myth"? How so? His style wasn't supposed to work in college, he dominated everybody. His style wasn't supposed to work in the NFL, every week they said "we have enough film now to stop him and that gimmick offense" and it didn't work. There is no "stopping". Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. If you focus on it 100% you it's gonna work, especially if you have a good defense and a good running game with a bunch of good receivers and a good o-line. You can't ask for more. It's not just one element you have to stop, it's the entire thing, you can't stop the entire thing. If Tebow can't run, he'll throw. If he can't throw he'll count on the RBs to run. Then the opposing offense has to score on our defense, and shut down our entire offense for the rest of the game. It's highly unlikely that all that just comes together like that, with all the talent we have. Sometimes it works, other times it's not enough to win. It worked perfectly against the Steelers, a week later it didn't against the Pats. Sanchez is about 50:50 since he's been here, it's not like what he does works every week. Tebow was about 50:50 in Denver as well. The least you can do is give him a shot instead of losing every game at the end of the season the way we did and watch Sanchez choke away the playoffs and then just sit there and take it since there is not another QB on the roster who can play.

I joined just to say....... you will say anything to make TT look good. As far as Qb's go its not really a comparison. 46% to 56% is not barely better its an astronomical difference in football. 10 more % points and Sanchez becomes Tom Brady. The Steelers were not playing zone they were in a 0 man coverage. Which means as a QB you don't have to be as accurate. throw the ball to the open area and the WR will adjust to it. (see Alex smith against Saints vs Alex smith vs Giants for further proof.) the man still made the passes so give him credit there. couldn't move the ball at all the next week. here are your facts vs high power offenses he doesn't have a shot he played three teams for four games all were ugly loses. Average pt differential 28.5 in those four loses.

You also don't give Denver's D enough credit during that run. Von miller cemented his case for DROTY during that stretch. I wont even look it up but without the defensive touchdowns how many of those games does Denver even win?? during that six game stretch they had four games where they didnt give up more then 13pts.

You said Sanchez choked in the playoffs??? The 2 AFC championship games I watched i saw a defense get run over by Mendenhall. and give up a Key score at halftime to peyton. not to mention all Sanchez playoff wins were on the road. im saying all of this and i wanted Sanchez benched in the worst way last year. throwing off his back foot, not stepping up in the pocket, terrible body language, never ripping into Mulligan or Hunter for the drive killing penalties ect ect ect. but downgrading the quality at the Qb position isn't the answer.

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by Choon328

I was at the scrimmage today. Not that most of you give a sh*t about my observations but I'm going to give them to you anyway haha.

-Simms may have the strongest arm on the team.

-McElroy does not have an NFL starting arm. Simms should beat him out and he may develop into something down the road. McElroy has a ceiling b/c of his lack of arm strength.

-Tebow throws the ball pretty damn hard in warm ups but when he's in the game or even throwing with the WR's in drills he tends to loop his throws. It looks like he's aiming the ball instead of just throwing it. He was mostly playing against the 2nd team defense as well. He had some nice runs but that will happen when a team is not game planning against him. And that's the problem with him as a QB, if a team can stop him from running and force him to pass he's in big trouble. I do think he is going to be put to great use in extending drives and punching the ball in the endzone but I have no faith in him as a backup if Sanchez gets hurt.

-Sanchez' throwing strength has improved from last year. He hit Turner with a nice pass and drilled it in there. He also had a pass in the flats to Powell that he completed and would have been at least a 20 yd gain but the refs blew the whistle b/c a rusher touched him, but that was after he side stepped him. They couldn't run the ball at all and that was mainly b/c they were missing 3 OLinemen. I wouldn't read to much into that.

-The reports about Powell looking good this camp were spot on. He has a burst that Greene doesn't have and he's a better blocker then both already. You could see him get 50/50 carries with Greene at some point this year and possibly more overall touches b/c of his ability to catch the ball.

-Cumberland is going to be a middle of the field deep threat for us. They went to him once deep and one of the DB's made a nice play on him but he was open earlier in the route and Tebow didn't throw the ball soon enough.

-The defense as a whole looked really good. A lot faster then last years defense that's for sure. Bell got called for a PI near the end zone but due to a motion penalty they were off set. He looked decent in coverage, it looks like he has trouble playing the ball but he was always right on the WR/TE when he was in coverage.

-TJ Conley looked awesome tonight! He was booming punts 55-70 yards consistently. It was crazy to see in person. He looked really good.

-Folk and Brown competition is a good one so far, Brown has a bigger leg though. When Brown was warming up he put his plant foot next to the ball and was stationary then he just swung his kicking leg and was making them from 25-30 yards into the wind. It was awesome. Then they went with the wind and both guys made kicks from 63 yards. They moved back to 68 and Folk came up short by about 3-5 yards. Brown made it and the ball landed at the base of the netting. They moved Brown back to 70 and he made that with no problem. He has a huge leg. From what I saw he needs to be our kicker. He has been much more consistent over his career. And if you compare the last 3 years of each kicker Brown has made 80% of his kicks while Folk has made 73% of his kicks, Brown should be the favorite. I would love to not have to sweat every time we attempt a FG outside of 35 yards. It's been a while since we have had a weapon at kicker and Brown can finally be that guy.

-Rex Ryan looks like a different man. I had trouble finding him on the field until I heard his voice. He looks great.

Overall I was impressed that the offense moved the ball at all against our D with 3/5 of our OLine not in the lineup.

Defensively the pass rush looks very good. Maybin and Sapp really impressed me tonight. And we finally are seeing a little more of the exotic blitzes we saw the first year of the Ryan era. Even once blitzing a nickel back off the edge.

Going to the scrimmage was a great experience for me. I came away optimistic about the season but fully realizing that this is only the 2nd week of camp and anything can happen.

Great writeup! Thanks! I agree on McElroy, he just doesn't have a NFL arm..He can't get that quick 12-15 yarder out to the sideline.

[SgtAshton]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

55+% vs 42% is not barely, it's astronomical

Tebow doesn't stretch the field, receivers stretches the field. The only reason why Tebow has been able to connect on those deep balls is because defenses didn't respect his passing game, and they played closer to the LOS to stop the running game and the option offense that Denver HAD to deploy because of Tebow's limitations and liabilities as a passer.

lol wouldn't even had created an account if I had seen your responses. lol

[Mohegangreen]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

You mean the gal who tossed 40 TD's and threw for over 5,000 yards last season?

Fixed

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by DaBallhawk

Please prove me wrong, I beg you. Find me a starting QB over the last 3 years that averaged 50% completion with a ~70 QB rating. I can't find one.

Charlie Whitehurts (who?) had similar stats, even though he didn't even get to start more than a couple games. Marc Bulger is long gone, but he had similar stats. Just as awful. And he doesn't come with the annual 10 Sanchez fumbles. Kevin Kolb even kills Sanchez's numbers, and he's flat out terrible, got benched. Can't even beat out that other bum despite being paid like 10 mil. per year. Chad F*ucking Henne even has better stats over the last 3 years. He's a backup with the Jaguars. BEHIND GABBERT! How about Jason Campbell? He must have been worse, right? He is averaging a mid 80 QB rating over the last 3 years, so he kills Sanchez as well. And of course he's a backup in Chicago now. Colt McCoy has similar stats over the last 2 years, and he's benched for a rookie. David Garrard couldn't find a job, he's got way better numbers. He's a backup now.

Get the picture? I'm not saying Sanchez is awful, I'm just comparing him to all the worst QB's that played last year, and they actually outproduce him.

Thank you for turning the scrimmage thread into yet another Tebow thread.

You should be banned for that.

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by Jordy

Thank you for turning the scrimmage thread into yet another Tebow thread.

You should be banned for that.

+1

[JerseyJet80]

If we could somehow combine mcelroy and simms, they would make a decent nfl qb

[JStokes]

Too funny, was out yesterday afternoon/last nite so I didn't see or hear anything about the scrimmage.

So I figured I'd check JI and find out how it went, saw this huge thread, thought I'd start at the end to read conclusions first.

And wouldn't you know it--DaBallHawk as turned this into a Tebow Teabagging Sh*t Show.

That's why it's called The Pfail Strip.

WTF.


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[Jordy]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Too funny, was out yesterday afternoon/last nite so I didn't see or hear anything about the scrimmage.

So I figured I'd check JI and find out how it went, saw this huge thread, thought I'd start at the end to read conclusions first.

And wouldn't you know it--DaBallHawk as turned this into a Tebow Teabagging Sh*t Show.

That's why it's called The Pfail Strip.

WTF.


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Be sure to check out SAR's motel interracial sex thread.

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Jordy

Be sure to check out SAR's motel interracial sex thread.

Don't know where it is--but it's just schtick so not really interested.

Seriously, the last 4 pages of the Official Green and White Scrimmage Thread is almost unreadable.

I don't understand why this crap is allowed to continue.

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[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Don't know where it is--but it's just schtick so not really interested.

Seriously, the last 4 pages of the Official Green and White Scrimmage Thread is almost unreadable.

I don't understand why this crap is allowed to continue.

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Sick'em

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=245965

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by SgtAshton

I joined just to say....... you will say anything to make TT look good. As far as Qb's go its not really a comparison. 46% to 56% is not barely better its an astronomical difference in football. 10 more % points and Sanchez becomes Tom Brady. The Steelers were not playing zone they were in a 0 man coverage. Which means as a QB you don't have to be as accurate. throw the ball to the open area and the WR will adjust to it. (see Alex smith against Saints vs Alex smith vs Giants for further proof.) the man still made the passes so give him credit there. couldn't move the ball at all the next week. here are your facts vs high power offenses he doesn't have a shot he played three teams for four games all were ugly loses. Average pt differential 28.5 in those four loses.

You also don't give Denver's D enough credit during that run. Von miller cemented his case for DROTY during that stretch. I wont even look it up but without the defensive touchdowns how many of those games does Denver even win?? during that six game stretch they had four games where they didnt give up more then 13pts.

You said Sanchez choked in the playoffs??? The 2 AFC championship games I watched i saw a defense get run over by Mendenhall. and give up a Key score at halftime to peyton. not to mention all Sanchez playoff wins were on the road. im saying all of this and i wanted Sanchez benched in the worst way last year. throwing off his back foot, not stepping up in the pocket, terrible body language, never ripping into Mulligan or Hunter for the drive killing penalties ect ect ect. but downgrading the quality at the Qb position isn't the answer.

DWC?