Tebow under center.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Just a Bleacher Report,

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None of that speaks to anything that we were discussing Stokes.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by JStokes

You have made some of the stupidest statements in the history of JI in this thread.

Tebow is like a young Elway or Young?

Tebow would have created a rift in the lockeroom--with Peyton Manning?

Elway didn't like Tebow because of how Dan Reeves treated him?

YOU should just man up and go away. It's all opinion and your man-love for the guy ain't changing why Elway dumped his ass.

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Jesus, you're being daft and bordering on ignorant.

Tebow like a young Elway or Steve Young ? YES, I'm not the first or the only one to make the comparison. There are differences, to be sure (both Elway and Young could pass the ball being the biggest one).

Could there have been some issues in the locker room ? Again, yes, I'm not the first or only one to bring that up. It's why sports guys were asking "Can Tebow and Manning co-exist" ?

As for your last statement, that's an ignorant and flawed interpretation by you. What I said is that Elway wanted a conventional pocket passer, which was ironic seeing as how he and Reeves fought over that very thing.

If you will, it's kind of like how a boy and his father might but heads on things, but when the boy grows up, he tends to have the same view that his father did.

Put more directly, your father probably had views and opinions that you disagreed with when you were young, but when you got older, you changed somewhere along the line and ended up holding the same opinion.

THAT is what the Elway/Reeves comment was about.

[sg3]

having read JW's listen up post... I choose to not get involved in this pissing match

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Jesus, you're being daft and bordering on ignorant.

Tebow like a young Elway or Steve Young ? YES, I'm not the first or the only one to make the comparison. There are differences, to be sure (both Elway and Young could pass the ball being the biggest one).

Could there have been some issues in the locker room ? Again, yes, I'm not the first or only one to bring that up. It's why sports guys were asking "Can Tebow and Manning co-exist" ?

As for your last statement, that's an ignorant and flawed interpretation by you. What I said is that Elway wanted a conventional pocket passer, which was ironic seeing as how he and Reeves fought over that very thing.

If you will, it's kind of like how a boy and his father might but heads on things, but when the boy grows up, he tends to have the same view that his father did.

Put more directly, your father probably had views and opinions that you disagreed with when you were young, but when you got older, you changed somewhere along the line and ended up holding the same opinion.

THAT is what the Elway/Reeves comment was about.

And you are being purposefully naive.

If you think Elway traded Tebow because he wasn't a pocket passer--you're wrong and if you think it had ANYTHING to do with Reeves treament of him, that's beyond daft or ignorant.

Elway wanted NOTHING to do with Tebow--was looking for ANY excuse to trade him.

Manning was--ironically--a gift from heaven.

You are seriously being purposefully naive here.

Which is okay.

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[JStokes]

Originally Posted by sg3

having read JW's listen up post... I choose to not get involved in this pissing match

Good move.

It's like this guy is Tebow's father.

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[sec.101row23]

Originally Posted by JStokes

You have made some of the stupidest statements in the history of JI in this thread.

Tebow is like a young Elway or Young?

Tebow would have created a rift in the lockeroom--with Peyton Manning?

Elway didn't like Tebow because of how Dan Reeves treated him?

YOU should just man up and go away. It's all opinion and your man-love for the guy ain't changing why Elway dumped his ass.

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I think anyone who has read this disaster of a thread realizes that this guy is off his rocker and in La La land. Hopefully a mod can put this thread out of its misery because Demo will continue to spout off regardless if he is making a coherent thought or not. He just can not bear not having the last word regardless if his point is logical or even feasible.

Time to end this debacle.

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by sec.101row23

I think anyone who has read this disaster of a thread realizes that this guy is off his rocker and in La La land. Hopefully a mod can put this thread out of its misery because Demo will continue to spout off regardless if he is making a coherent thought or not. He just can not bear not having the last word regardless if his point is logical or even feasible.

Time to end this debacle.

Yeah, I'm done here. There has not been a single coherent thought expressed by this guy, yet he continues to call ME stupid/daft/ignorant.

It's like he's Tebow's father.

Done- have a good time Demo with your grand delusions.

Tebow is the next Steve Young and John Elway combined. Can't believe Denver traded him--Manning could have been Tebow's Montana.

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[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by JStokes

And you are being purposefully naive.

If you think Elway traded Tebow because he wasn't a pocket passer--you're wrong and if you think it had ANYTHING to do with Reeves treament of him, that's beyond daft or ignorant.

Elway wanted NOTHING to do with Tebow--was looking for ANY excuse to trade him.

Manning was--ironically--a gift from heaven.

You are seriously being purposefully naive here.

Which is okay.

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Stokes, I certainly agree that Manning was a gift from heaven for Elway. I also agree that Elway wanted nothing to do with Tebow. We disagree as to why.

I say that it's because Elway wanted a traditional pocket passer and he wanted him immediately. In my view, if Jake Plummer was still playing and was with Denver, Elway would have sought to trade him as well. He doesn't want a scrambling or running QB who works outside the pocket a good amount of the time. He wants a guy that will stand in there til the last minute, and who will throw it away if no one is open.

Question: Why not keep Tebow and develop him as the #2, or use him in other ways as just about everybody on the planet agrees, even right now, he is a weapon if you use him correctly.

Its certainly possible that Elway doesn't think Tebow will ever be a good NFL QB. But that doesn't explain why he couldn't keep him as a RB/TE, short yardage specialist.

This is where the "locker room division" could indeed provide at least part of the answer.

If you go back through my posts, you'll see that I haven't stated a definitive reason as to why Elway let Tebow go. I've stated plausible explanations that make sense, and I've also stated that we really don't know, as Elway hasn't stated his reasoning and no reported has provided "the inside scoop" as to why.

Forgive me if I happen to think that this is a more than reasonable and correct position to take, as opposed to stating rather emphatically that I definitely know exactly what Elway thought, which is the position that you have decided to take.

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Question: Why not keep Tebow and develop him as the #2, or use him in other ways as just about everybody on the planet agrees, even right now, he is a weapon if you use him correctly.

Its certainly possible that Elway doesn't think Tebow will ever be a good NFL QB. But that doesn't explain why he couldn't keep him as a RB/TE, short yardage specialist.

This is where the "locker room division" could indeed provide at least part of the answer.

If you go back through my posts, you'll see that I haven't stated a definitive reason as to why Elway let Tebow go. I've stated plausible explanations that make sense, and I've also stated that we really don't know, as Elway hasn't stated his reasoning and no reported has provided "the inside scoop" as to why.

No, you've throw out delusional reasons other than the most obvious.

If Tebow was the weapon, the nice guy, the prospective star, the non-fanatic/circus act that you are positing, then there is no WAY Elway trades him.

But he did. He didn't like him as a player OR as a circus act.

If you don't think THOSE are the most plausible reasons, then you are being intentionally naive.

Now, go get the last word in like you feel compelled to do.

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[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by JStokes

No, you've throw out delusional reasons other than the most obvious.

If Tebow was the weapon, the nice guy, the prospective star, the non-fanatic/circus act that you are positing, then there is no WAY Elway trades him.

But he did. He didn't like him as a player OR as a circus act.

If you don't think THOSE are the most plausible reasons, then you are being intentionally naive.

Now, go get the last word in like you feel compelled to do.

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You know, it's kind of funny how you always seem to respond to a post, and then talk about my need to get the last word in.

As to Tebow, if you ask most people, even knowledgeable ones, they will indeed say that Tebow is a weapon, the nice guy, the prospective star. Their only question really is whether he is or can be a starting QB in the NFL.

Hell, even Mark Schlereth, one of his most vocal critics, agrees that he is a weapon, a nice guy, and a hell of a football player and has said so.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by sec.101row23

I think anyone who has read this disaster of a thread realizes that this guy is off his rocker and in La La land. Hopefully a mod can put this thread out of its misery because Demo will continue to spout off regardless if he is making a coherent thought or not. He just can not bear not having the last word regardless if his point is logical or even feasible.

Time to end this debacle.

Pretty much sums it up.

There is no beginning and there is no end.

And when you love someone so much, it matters not what others say. No matter how ugly they are inside or out.

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Jordy

Pretty much sums it up.

There is no beginning and there is no end.

And when you love someone so much, it matters not what others say. No matter how ugly they are inside or out.

Exactly--when someone doesn't want to face the most probable, the most likley, the most generally accepted answer, they'll grasp at anything, create the most improbable of solutions and try to convince the world it's plausible.


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[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Good move.

It's like this guy is Tebow's father.

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I read somewhere that Tebows father is a virgin.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Exactly--when someone doesn't want to face the most probable, the most likley, the most generally accepted answer, they'll grasp at anything, create the most improbable of solutions and try to convince the world it's plausible.


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Ah, so now you've gone down from certainty to "the most probable". Laughable.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

You know, it's kind of funny how you always seem to respond to a post, and then talk about my need to get the last word in.

As to Tebow, if you ask most people, even knowledgeable ones, they will indeed say that Tebow is a weapon, the nice guy, the prospective star. Their only question really is whether he is or can be a starting QB in the NFL.

Hell, even Mark Schlereth, one of his most vocal critics, agrees that he is a weapon, a nice guy, and a hell of a football player and has said so.

And now he's an unemployed weapon. Can't wait to see this clown file for unemployment LOLOLOLOLOLOLZ

[jetsfreak]

he flat out refuses to change positions and was offered a back up job by a CFL team....the league can't all be wrong....our eyes can't be wrong...as a fellow Gator I like Tebow but he truly needs to grasp reality right now.

Originally Posted by sect313

i noticed that too. tebow has a lot of work to do to become an NFL QB

[Alkrotraz]

Originally Posted by freestater

can you explain to me this idea of "under center" one more time.

I'm not sure I get it.

Thanks.

Is Under Center something to do with that gay basketball player who plays center?

[crasherino]

Poor form